SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Back to the OP Quote You seriously can’t make this stuff up. It is almost comical. On Thursday night, the Bills’ star quarterback, Josh Allen, threw two deep passes. Both came up a bit short. One could have been a touchdown if it stayed in the air another yard, the other, a pass to Stephon Diggs, was short enough that Diggs had to go to the ground to catch it and rolled into the endzone for the TD. Josh said to Diggs Just run deep. A true audible, an uncalled play. Josh is on the run and passes deep. Diggs makes an adjustment and trips himself and makes a great catch What other pass was he talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjag Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 This is why I so interested in the Miami — New England game this weekend. Miami has a rebuilt line and two speedsters. I believe Tua can make the throws from a clean pocket. I think his two receivers will adds points to his accuracy. Can his line give him the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 TuAnon is on one today: 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 18 minutes ago, HappyDays said: TuAnon is on one today: Clueless Josh did an audible to Diggs. Quote "Josh told me to just run and get open." Seems easy to us. 😉 this was planned and not an oh shite what do I do now. The turf monster got 2 or 3 players Edited September 10, 2022 by SlimShady'sSpaceForce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Back to the OP Josh said to Diggs Just run deep. A true audible, an uncalled play. Josh is on the run and passes deep. Diggs makes an adjustment and trips himself and makes a great catch What other pass was he talking about? I would guess the deep pass to Gabe. I did think it was a bit short but it was in an area where Gabe has the separation and time to adjust to the ball so really it doesn't matter other than if he threw it better, it might have been a deep TD instead of just a deep pass. Edited September 10, 2022 by The Wiz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 Bills fans are probably the most sensitive group of people on earth 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, Process said: Bills fans are probably the most sensitive group of people on earth 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 3 hours ago, Dan Darragh said: God, I hate the Fish OK, they asked for it. Am rooting for the 🤮 Patriettes*** tomorrow. 1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: Back to the OP Josh said to Diggs Just run deep. A true audible, an uncalled play. Josh is on the run and passes deep. Diggs makes an adjustment and trips himself and makes a great catch What other pass was he talking about? That actually made me lol. They have to build a dink & dunk offense around Tua Dongawhackola and in order for our QB to make the horsey go, he tells his receiver to run. Run fast. All of their career comps and they will never understand the Donger is not equipped to do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 54 minutes ago, The Wiz said: I would guess the deep pass to Gabe. I did think it was a bit short but it was in an area where Gabe has the separation and time to adjust to the ball so really it doesn't matter other than if he threw it better, it might have been a deep TD instead of just a deep pass. Josh missed his landmark on that play by 3 feet, almost 123 feet down the field. Oh and when he missed by just three feet, he did it on the correct side so only Gabe could adjust to make the catch. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 57 minutes ago, Process said: Bills fans are probably the most sensitive group of people on earth Probably, but if the rest of the fan bases don't start nothing, there won't be nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 28 minutes ago, JDubya76 said: Josh missed his landmark on that play by 3 feet, almost 123 feet down the field. Oh and when he missed by just three feet, he did it on the correct side so only Gabe could adjust to make the catch. Is there an echo in here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I think Dolphins fans, not incorrectly, sense the media ball-washing all of a sudden and hate it since it is a division rival. They are used to a baseline where the Bills and Allen don't get full respect, and think that things are out of whack. In truth, we are seeing a necessary correction. The accolades we are seeing now are a long time coming, even if it seems almost scripted. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: This is what happens when people put too much stock into college football IMO. College games are bought and paid for. Big names pay lower teams to get beat up on. it’s sweet when the underdog kicks the crap out of the big name team. ask yourself Why is the average NFL players career roughly 3 years? You end up with the Tua’s and Mac Jones’ portrayed as being legit Sam Darnold? Basically done as a starter Faker Mayfield may not be far behind and then the fans get all moody someone disagrees with them. you’d hope good scouts would be able to pick up on it. Perhaps not most scouts are good?. Bean on the other hand seems to have an ability, esp in later rounds, to find the overlooked guys. Edited September 11, 2022 by RyanC883 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Stadium Original Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I think I read somewhere from somebody who tracks such things that Allen's TD throw to Diggs was the fastest ever recorded running quarterback where the completion went xx yards downfield. It was almost all arm that chucked it 50 yds because he never really set. Some other analyst who diagrammed the the play said most quarterbacks would have been happy just trying for the underneath receiver. To say the throw to Diggs was underthrown shows a complete ignorance of the game by the author of the article. Somebody should take away his keyboard. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 It wasn't supposed to be like this. Brady leaving was supposed to be the end of one team dominating the division. There was supposed to be parity in the AFC East, with each team having a shot. But just as that window opened, here comes Allen and the Bills, and again the media is just talking about one team. For the Jets and Phins, and their fans, they feel baited. The end of one powerhouse owning the division seems immediately followed by the start of another. Take a second and remember how we felt when Brady left. Now imagine how you'd feel if the Bills improved but all of a sudden the Dolphins owned the division the last two years and all you heard was Tua, Tua, Tua. You'd be salty too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 NGL I would actually read a Sully article if he was writing about Tua and Miami instead of a Bills writer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Tua is was a decent college QB but not a starting QB in the NFL. Glad he is on the Dolphins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 14 minutes ago, wppete said: Tua is was a decent college QB but not a starting QB in the NFL. Glad he is on the Dolphins. I don't think the book is closed on Tua yet. He's just entering his third season and this will be his first under an offensive guru type of head coach and with a full complement of weapons. I'm not afraid of him ever unseating Josh as the best QB in the division, but he can certainly turn out to be a quality starter capable of taking his team to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) I’m over anyone, being compared to anything, that Allen does. He is 1-of-1. He’s a unicorn. Everyone (that doesn’t know what they were watching) says, “but Allen wasn’t good his first two years.” Your guy isn’t going to get there. Your guy isn’t physically talented enough to take that leap. That’s why Tua gets dragged in these conversations. These are the people shouting down the “but Tua was better than Allen his first 2 years guy.” The “Tua was better first 2 years guy” has been trying to make the case that he may make a similar jump. Those shouting him down are pointing to certain plays as evidence as to why he won’t ever come close to that level. He can’t make the throw that Josh made from a clean pocket. Allen did it at 13.6 MPH. Edited September 11, 2022 by Kirby Jackson 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryPinC Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 12 hours ago, JDubya76 said: OK, they asked for it. Am rooting for the 🤮 Patriettes*** tomorrow. That actually made me lol. They have to build a dink & dunk offense around Tua Dongawhackola and in order for our QB to make the horsey go, he tells his receiver to run. Run fast. All of their career comps and they will never understand the Donger is not equipped to do that. Oh. Are you sure? I thought his name was pronounced Tru-a Dungo'highflow-a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 The mammals lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 There are some real mental gymnastics a lot of Phins fans have been doing. They simultaneously believe Josh sucks and is an overrated bum while thinking Tua is in line for a "massive year three jump forward just like Josh Allen." And Tua isn't even attempting this throw, not in that same situation anyway. Also, Josh makes this throw on the run. I dunno if anyone watches The QB School on YouTube with JT O'Sullivan but his breakdowns are pretty good and he applies criticism where it's warranted. He said this throw was absolutely ridiculous and he doesn't know many QBs that would even try it let alone connect on it. Phins fans....da skidmarks of the NFL audience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 It's the truth tho...Allen throws the first to Davis off his back foot from a pocket that is getting squeezed and the second on a dead run jumping off one foot to Diggs... Tua would never even attempt those throws because they are beyond the realm of possibilities in his mind. Even when he sleeps Tua couldn't dream of completing those passes. 20 minutes ago, blacklabel said: There are some real mental gymnastics a lot of Phins fans have been doing. They simultaneously believe Josh sucks and is an overrated bum while thinking Tua is in line for a "massive year three jump forward just like Josh Allen." And Tua isn't even attempting this throw, not in that same situation anyway. Also, Josh makes this throw on the run. I dunno if anyone watches The QB School on YouTube with JT O'Sullivan but his breakdowns are pretty good and he applies criticism where it's warranted. He said this throw was absolutely ridiculous and he doesn't know many QBs that would even try it let alone connect on it. Phins fans....da skidmarks of the NFL audience. Not sure after watching Allen demolish them singlehandedly at times going back to his rookie year how they could still convince themselves Allen sucks. That has to be serious mental gymnastics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I don't think much of Tua, he's always been a left handed EJ Manuel to me, but I do rate their new coach from what I've seen of him so far. The game will tell the full story (and I hope I'm wrong, it's so much fun reading fin heaven when they're all complaining and crying) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I still believe that Tua's hip injury has affected his ability to drive the ball down the field. If you look at his first couple of seasons at Alabama, his arm looked stronger to me. He has the hip injury, gets to the NFL, and now the total affect of that injury is evident. I don't think he'll ever be the same at this point. Can he be serviceable in a West Coast style of offense? Probably, but he's never going to be a top 15 QB imo. And anyone trying to compare Allen or the throws he makes to Tua and the throws he makes, it's like trying to compare a 2022 Rolls-Royce Phantom to a 1994 Buick Regal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I love that Dolphins fans compare Tua to JA instead of the guy they passed on in Justin Herbert 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 hours ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: This is what happens when people put too much stock into college football IMO. College games are bought and paid for. Big names pay lower teams to get beat up on. it’s sweet when the underdog kicks the crap out of the big name team. ask yourself Why is the average NFL players career roughly 3 years? You end up with the Tua’s and Mac Jones’ portrayed as being legit Sam Darnold? Basically done as a starter Faker Mayfield may not be far behind and then the fans get all moody someone disagrees with them. He played in the SEC. They have a game or two vs. scrubs, but those teams run through a gauntlet. He played vs tough competition in college. It’s Bama, I get it, but not every game was vs scrubs. I’m guessing injury has a lot to do with it. Along with 5th-7th rounders not lasting too long. I believe Baker will be fine in Carolina. If he’s healthy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 This this guy kind of missed the point. The issue with Tua isn't under throwing the long pass, it's more a case of how fast he can get the ball to the WR 10 yards away or a 15 yard out. Those are the passes that make the difference between a starting NFL QB and a star college QB who is now a backup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muppy Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 bwwaahaahaa Squish em, Squish em good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RunTheBall Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 The over analysis of these 2 throws is hilarious. On the Gabe throw, it was a perfect throw under the circumstances. 3rd down, collapsing pocket, a shot down field off his back foot. Josh put it in a place where only Gabe could make a play on it, and if you watch it in slow-mo you can see Gabe cut off his route a touch to adjust to the ball. He was only able to do that because Josh lofted the ball to the middle of the field when Gabe was running down the left hash. Now, if Josh had a clean pocket and could step into the throw and still made the same toss, yeah I’d agree it was a little under thrown and a touch better ball would have resulted in a TD. This play? Can’t get much better. On the toss to Diggs any criticism what so ever is ridiculous. Josh was running 13 mph and didn’t set his feet yet uncorked a 50 yard bomb that resulted in a TD. Please. If anyone says anything other than “WOW” just STFU. Again, if he was in a clean pocket, able to plant his feet and made that throw, I’d consider it a bit off target BUT IT’S STILL A TD so who cares. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 18 hours ago, Charles Romes said: In the Simms interview Josh said he has been focusing on underthrowing a bit when he has someone deep down field so as to assure a chance for a completion. In his bad long ball year of 2019 all the deep throws were overthrown. Now he’s connecting deep down field virtually every game. The difference is Tua is not trying to underthrow. He just can’t get it there. This may be what you mean, but there are some assumptions there worth spelling out. Sure, Tua can throw the ball 50, 60 yds. He can probably throw it further. People think "throwing the ball far" is a great benchmark of armstrength, but it's not. Give Tua space and time to reset his platform and step into the throw with proper technique and he can get the ball there now that he's more healed. The reason those are remarkable throws during a game is that they're very difficult for far more reasons than the distance the throw traveled. The reason Tua struggles to make those throws in games is he's got 4-7 guys doing their level best to make sure that he doesn't have that space and time. To Davis, Allen was throwing in a crowded backfield, with 7 defenders and their blockers all around him. Tua doesn't have the height to make that throw be anything but batted down. He also needs space to set properly and use good mechanics. That's not a knock on him. Most QB do. That's why the throw had a completion probability under 26% to NextGen I think it was J.T. O'Sullivan (The Quarterback School Youtube, posted here) who diagrammed why the ball was placed where it was, so that Davis could bend his route and go for it while the defender was boxed out, but yes, for the first couple years of Allen's career he routinely overthrew his deep balls and I heard that too. It's a matter of trusting his ball placement when he's throwing deep so that he has confidence it can be his receiver's ball or no one's ball. Diggs has said he tripped and worried he wouldn't be able to make that catch, and on tape we can actually see the toe of his cleat catch in the turf. And again, it's throwing on the dead run without setting, off one foot, which makes that a difficult throw with a 25.8% completion probability to NextGen, and frankly I think they're over-estimating the chances and not accounting for how fast Allen was running and that he didn't pause to get set - at all. I'll believe that Tua can throw the ball with that accuracy 53 yds off his back foot, from a dead run, when I see it. Edited September 11, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: The over analysis of these 2 throws is hilarious. On the Gabe throw, it was a perfect throw under the circumstances. 3rd down, collapsing pocket, a shot down field off his back foot. Josh put it in a place where only Gabe could make a play on it, and if you watch it in slow-mo you can see Gabe cut off his route a touch to adjust to the ball. He was only able to do that because Josh lofted the ball to the middle of the field when Gabe was running down the left hash. Now, if Josh had a clean pocket and could step into the throw and still made the same toss, yeah I’d agree it was a little under thrown and a touch better ball would have resulted in a TD. This play? Can’t get much better. On the toss to Diggs any criticism what so ever is ridiculous. Josh was running 13 mph and didn’t set his feet yet uncorked a 50 yard bomb that resulted in a TD. Please. If anyone says anything other than “WOW” just STFU. Again, if he was in a clean pocket, able to plant his feet and made that throw, I’d consider it a bit off target BUT IT’S STILL A TD so who cares. Anyone that needs to see what Allen can do from a clean pocket when he sets his feet only needs to go watch the 75 yard TD to Davis against the Chiefs last year where the ball looked like a homing missiles with a ridiculous trajectory that just came down perfectly in Gabe's hands... That was an absolute laser shot. 25 minutes ago, RunTheBall said: The over analysis of these 2 throws is hilarious. On the Gabe throw, it was a perfect throw under the circumstances. 3rd down, collapsing pocket, a shot down field off his back foot. Josh put it in a place where only Gabe could make a play on it, and if you watch it in slow-mo you can see Gabe cut off his route a touch to adjust to the ball. He was only able to do that because Josh lofted the ball to the middle of the field when Gabe was running down the left hash. Now, if Josh had a clean pocket and could step into the throw and still made the same toss, yeah I’d agree it was a little under thrown and a touch better ball would have resulted in a TD. This play? Can’t get much better. On the toss to Diggs any criticism what so ever is ridiculous. Josh was running 13 mph and didn’t set his feet yet uncorked a 50 yard bomb that resulted in a TD. Please. If anyone says anything other than “WOW” just STFU. Again, if he was in a clean pocket, able to plant his feet and made that throw, I’d consider it a bit off target BUT IT’S STILL A TD so who cares. And in the grand scheme of things I would much rather see the ball end up a little short and caught for a 45+ yard gain and a TD than overthrown or barely out of reach and a missed completion. There is something to be said for making sure the ball is completed when a player is that wide open versus making a perfect throw. If we remember going back to even his second season, this was something Allen struggled with badly at times... Edited September 11, 2022 by Big Turk 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said: I love that Dolphins fans compare Tua to JA instead of the guy they passed on in Justin Herbert This is exactly the lack of "self" (team goof) awareness that gets to me. Yo, Miami. You drafted 11th in 2018. Josh Allen is not your comparator. Justin Herbert is your comparator, Fishies. Compare Tua to Herbert. And weep. 18 hours ago, gobills404 said: At least they don’t cry racism every chance they get like Lamar’s fan base Funny, and here I thought every pundit in town (and nationally) is saying Josh Allen needs to run less because it's not sustainable. We say it here. Edited September 11, 2022 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffeesforclosers Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Why don't fish fans compare Tua to Dan Marino? Dan's a HoF QB and his game has way more in common with Tua than JA. Oh yeah. And he also played a game or two for Miami. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said: I don't think much of Tua, he's always been a left handed EJ Manuel to me, but I do rate their new coach from what I've seen of him so far. The game will tell the full story (and I hope I'm wrong, it's so much fun reading fin heaven when they're all complaining and crying) Their new coach gives off a serious serial killer vibe and the coaching career may just be his cover. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 18 hours ago, GoBills808 said: Difference being Allen actually was better than he was made out to be yea but the 8 guys before him we did it with weren’t Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 👻 Tua is 3 - 0 against NE WITHOUT BRADY. Belicheat has a losing record in Miami even with Brady. plus Fitzpatrick played and lost the NE game in Tua’s first season there Winning records mean everything Just ask Tebow fans and Garoppolo fans and even Mitch Trubisky has a winning record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 16 hours ago, HappyDays said: TuAnon is on one today: Those guys have been mainlining copium lately, Nate Geary and Sal have been ripping them apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 19 hours ago, BillsFan130 said: LOL- Like Tua would have the arm strength to throw an a 55 yard piss missile on the run. The difference? Tua doesn't attempt that pass-(The TD to diggs) If he does, It is 15 yards under thrown as he simply does not have half the arm strength JA17 has If Tua attempted it Ramsey would have a pick, that's why he gave up the ground he did to Diggs, he didn't think a QB could make that throw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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