Warcodered Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 3 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: I know Spotrac is not the "official" cap space entity, but OJ Howard's 2022 dead money cost came down about $950k. Bills now have $3.1M in cap space. FWIW. I thought his dead cap this year wouldn't change only next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said: I just noticed this too. If Sportrac is right then info from Sal that we get any cap space back next year was incorrect. But I guess Sal might be right and Sportrac just simplified things. Also, do we know if this is final or he needs to stay on the Texans roster (and we get some prorated number if he is cut)? I don't know about what happens if he is cut. I try to keep an eye on things like this, so I know in the future. 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I thought his dead cap this year wouldn't change only next year? So did I but the more I thought about it (after I saw today that his dead cap changed for 2022) is his signing bonus for 2023 is a fixed cost. Maybe Sal was wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 7, 2022 Share Posted September 7, 2022 31 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I thought his dead cap this year wouldn't change only next year? Beane said exactly that. We need OJ to remain a Texan all year to get the full credit so it can’t be applied til the offseason. If we end up getting over 2M of that dead money freed up then Beane is proven to be a true wizard once again. He clearly knows these rules and that it would be likely if Oj didn’t make our team he would be picked up by another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2TDs today already for the Texans. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) This is baffling to me. Why was he cut? even if he didn’t play often, a 6’6 250 target for the redzone is of more value than what Morris and Sweeney currently offer even more puzzling that Beane mentioned he wouldn’t hesistate to bring Howard back if he was available? could we see a strange trade at deadline of Sweeney or a 7th for Howard? Edited September 11, 2022 by Warriorspikes51 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: This is baffling to me. Why was he cut? even if he didn’t play often, a 6’6 250 target for the redzone is of more value than what Morris and Sweeney currently offer I agree that he’s better than Sweeney. But Sweeney is part of the boys club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: This is baffling to me. Why was he cut? even if he didn’t play often, a 6’6 250 target for the redzone is of more value than what Morris and Sweeney currently offer So wait are we complaining the other direction now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Yeah he shouldn’t have been cut. Don’t really see why he was. But the coaches and GM did so my guess is he wasn’t a hard worker, or was an idiot and couldn’t learn the offense, or had a me first attitude. Something along those lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 7 minutes ago, Warcodered said: So wait are we complaining the other direction now? if our TE2 doesn’t see the field much what brings the most value? Howard is as good of a blocker as Morris and Sweeney…and clearly offers more value in the Redzone Just now, mrags said: Yeah he shouldn’t have been cut. Don’t really see why he was. But the coaches and GM did so my guess is he wasn’t a hard worker, or was an idiot and couldn’t learn the offense, or had a me first attitude. Something along those lines. this would make sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacklabel Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: if our TE2 doesn’t see the field much what brings the most value? Howard is as good of a blocker as Morris and Sweeney…and clearly offers more value in the Redzone this would make sense 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: 3 minutes ago, mrags said: Yeah he shouldn’t have been cut. Don’t really see why he was. But the coaches and GM did so my guess is he wasn’t a hard worker, or was an idiot and couldn’t learn the offense, or had a me first attitude. Something along those lines. It's none of the reasons you two seem to think it is... Howard's best trait coming out of Alabama in 2017 was his freak athleticism. In 2020 he tore his Achilles and hasn't been the same since. Reports from camp and the pre-season all said the same thing: the dude looked slow and laboring in his route running and his blocking wasn't any better than Morris or Sweeney. Bucs fans warned us that the dude just wasn't the same after that injury. He missed most of 2020 and when he came back in 2021 he was the third TE behind Gronk and Cameron Brate, who isn't exactly an All-Pro. The Bills took a chance to see if he was anywhere near where he was before the injury and it seems he wasn't so he didn't make the team. It happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
without a drought Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 If the Bills kept him, do you think it would've cut into Knox's 2 targets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 4 minutes ago, without a drought said: If the Bills kept him, do you think it would've cut into Knox's 2 targets. Perhaps the LB matchup with the Rams had something to do with that? Wagner is the best we’ll see all year 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 'r Mortis Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 56 minutes ago, Arkady Renko said: 2TDs today already for the Texans. And there it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Who gives a ****. We just put up 31 on the road against the World Champs and we got to bring up a back up TE. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurelius Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 I still think double tight ends near the goal line and I’d love Howard there as opposed to keeping Sweeney etc. The cap hit was already done. Should have kept him and let somebody else go. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Finally someone makes a kick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TampaBillsJunkie Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 TD's for him today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Jerry Hughes was more impressive than Howard today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Sweeney had a TD last year too. Who cares. Howard was garbage all camp and in preseason. Thats why he was cut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Week 1 overreaction lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) I think there is some cap relief from cutting Howard IF he stays on a team all season. I’ll try to find a link. If true this game is great for us. Edited September 11, 2022 by YattaOkasan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 Who cares we kept Bobby Hart 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 And caught 2 TD passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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buffalonian Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said: I think there is some cap relief from cutting Howard IF he stays on a team all season. I’ll try to find a link. If true this game is great for us. The Bills can get $2 million in additional cap space according to Spotrac but I’ve read elsewhere that he has to meet certain incentives. Would apply to cap next season Edited September 11, 2022 by buffalonian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Long Beach Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: This is baffling to me. Why was he cut? even if he didn’t play often, a 6’6 250 target for the redzone is of more value than what Morris and Sweeney currently offer even more puzzling that Beane mentioned he wouldn’t hesistate to bring Howard back if he was available? could we see a strange trade at deadline of Sweeney or a 7th for Howard? Shrug. We cut players who can play well on other teams. Good. I want to do that every year. Let the coaches pick and choose amongst NFL caliber players. Not between "hell no" and "well he's a body" type player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 He's on pace for 32 TD's! What hell beane!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie's Bills Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 18 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: He's on pace for 32 TD's! What hell beane!? 34* 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 He had a nice game today, good for him! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 1 hour ago, buffalonian said: The Bills can get $2 million in additional cap space according to Spotrac but I’ve read elsewhere that he has to meet certain incentives. Would apply to cap next season Yeah def not this years cap. But every bit every year helps going forward. I think the incentive is play the whole season on a roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 OJ Howard had twice as many TDs in one game than Sweeney has his entire career. I know that its only 1 game. Keeping Sweeney over someone with the potential of Howard is the stupidiest thing we have done in awhile. OJ is a way better TE than Sweeney... OJ is atleast competent. Sweeney is just a non factor when he is on the field 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 11, 2022 Share Posted September 11, 2022 15 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: OJ Howard had twice as many TDs in one game than Sweeney has his entire career. I know that its only 1 game. Keeping Sweeney over someone with the potential of Howard is the stupidiest thing we have done in awhile. OJ is a way better TE than Sweeney... OJ is atleast competent. Sweeney is just a non factor when he is on the field 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Did you all see these TD’s? I saw the second one, and the colts just let Howard free release and mozy down totally uncovered to the end zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Things Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: OJ Howard had twice as many TDs in one game than Sweeney has his entire career. I know that its only 1 game. Keeping Sweeney over someone with the potential of Howard is the stupidiest thing we have done in awhile. OJ is a way better TE than Sweeney... OJ is atleast competent. Sweeney is just a non factor when he is on the field Good grief. I guess some people have to complain about something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newcam2012 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Kmart128 said: OJ Howard had twice as many TDs in one game than Sweeney has his entire career. I know that its only 1 game. Keeping Sweeney over someone with the potential of Howard is the stupidiest thing we have done in awhile. OJ is a way better TE than Sweeney... OJ is atleast competent. Sweeney is just a non factor when he is on the field Howard certainly didn't earn a roster spot with the Bills. By all accounts and in pre season he pretty much sucked. However, you can legitimately say the same thing about Sweeney. He sucks too but he's a great locker room guy. Obviously, the Bills brass felt that was am important factor worth keeping him. Morris does look to have lots of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 12 hours ago, Kmart128 said: OJ Howard had twice as many TDs in one game than Sweeney has his entire career. I know that its only 1 game. Keeping Sweeney over someone with the potential of Howard is the stupidiest thing we have done in awhile. OJ is a way better TE than Sweeney... OJ is atleast competent. Sweeney is just a non factor when he is on the field I guess he should have tried harder when he was here so he wouldn't get cut. He looked bad. He might be one of those players that turns it on for the actual games, but that is not going to fly here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDHillFan Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 Seen on Twitter - “he just had to get away from Tom Brady and Josh Allen in order to shine” 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrahammer Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 My current favorite overreactions for Week 1 are 1) Bills fans convinced OJ's 2 TD's doesn't mean anything 2) The Patriots and Titans loss clearly means they suck, and Miami is close behind even though they won It's Week 1! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 18 hours ago, 716er said: Jerry Hughes was more impressive than Howard today Bills should’ve kept them both!! Jerry and Von would’ve been wrecking machines. Howard could’ve been that red zone threat the Bills don’t have not named Josh Allen. Still perplexed keeping Sweeney over Howard unless it was financially motivated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 It is very hard to question anything this regime has done. But as a huge fan of Howard since college, I hated his cut. Personally, I would lean on the 1st round talent and hope the light comes on (and injury gets better) than keep dime a dozen JAGs like Sweeney and Morris. But hopefully that make some plays for us. but I really wish Howard well. His career has been a disappointment and by all accounts, he’s a good dude. Good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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