Mark Long Beach

lol, yep I know! That catch/no-catch thing will linger too. Even though I now agree it wasn't a catch because he lost it. Not everyone has come to terms, and some never will.

Oooooh. I got some bad news for you. Flutie vs Rob Johnson still riles people up around here.

Shoot, that was WAY more fun than I expected. Thanks!

It is a good thread, with some well described points. I do recognize positional value. So does the NFL. As pointed out above roughly 3/4 of the picks WERE positional value. However, I disagree with the notion that seems to be pushed strongly in this thread that you shouldn't draft non positional value players. The goal of a GM is NOT to maximize cap space, the goal is to win a Superbowl. Well, for some teams the bar is much lower. Win games, make money, make the owner look good, etc. Money/cap space is just a tool to help achieve those goals. NFL is a massively team oriented game, and we see time and time again that a significant production gap in a position causes losses. Missing a good player at key player for an offense or defensive scheme can break it. Non priority pieces are more important for a team in desperate need of having a role filled competently. IMO, focus of drafting NFL capable players. That's the real win. I'll take a great interior LB over a semi productive WR. Especially if I believe he'll be great rather than ordinary. But sure, draft towards positional value. Like the NFL already does.

Good? Kinda. Certainly not BAD though. It doesn't much more than we already could see from his overall production numbers. Massive yards, and massive targets. If you feed someone a LOT of times, you'll get yards. Roughly speaking receivers will run similar number of routes over a game. More catches, more yards per route run. Skylar WAS the air offense. So I don't think this particular stats shows much more than they fed him the ball any which way they could (and he caught it), which we already knew.

Somebody got served a bowl of yellow Wheaties.

Josh definitely has made some mistakes and deserves some blame. I think the reason there has been as much pushback against assigning much blame to him is that we've seen how good Josh is at the end of regulation (and the end of half). He is extremely good. Same for overall playoff game statistics (isn't he currently best all time?). So we have Lots of evidence that he is a clutch player and plays well in high leverage times. So it's used as a cheap weapon against him. IMO the overtime record is a bit fluke, but of course Allen has some blame. IMO, not even close to the majority of the blame. Timid coaching, Defense that are too passive, and receivers that all-to-often can't pull off critical catches deserve the majority of the blame.

Neither did Rapp...

Cooks now has given us 2 first downs on 1 reception!

I agree with you here. I just look at as a win either way. If he comes, he's better than Ingram. If he doesn't, we keep him from a soon to be opponent where he would definitely improve a weakness in Philly.

Many QB's look like Stroud, and Herbert, but the team around them sucks. Both COULD be top tier QBs, but we don't know, because the team around them isn't good enough and that's the GM's fault. Look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnald. Both sucked when they were on poorly run teams with poor personnel, and both have now been good on well run teams. Both could have been much better for much longer if they had the support (and players) that Josh has had.

Good lord. ...you say you lived through the drought? How, and I do mean how, can you compare the GM lunacy that we had from THAT period to Beane's tenure? The merry-go-round of inconsistency was crazy during that 17 years. We had individual players who were great, or very good. We even had some pretty good sides of the ball. But never for very long, and no consistency. We've had a long period of both with Beane. (And McD) We were the 2nd winningest team and I believe we will become the team with the most number of regular season wins by passing a struggling KC this year. You can say that Josh Allen is the reason, but there is a lot more to team building than that. Look at all the other "franchise" qbs and with the exception of KC, they all have terrible support from a teambuilding perspective. Joe Burrow, Stroud, Lamar Jackson, Justin Herbert. Those teams are sometimes very good, but often not. Beane's been better. Beane sure as H- doesn't walk on water. He's made and will continue to make mistakes. Especially on free agent contracts IMO. But to say Beane is comparable to the drought or not a good GM is just absolutely bonkers.

I believe teams have a 24 hour period for a waiver claim. Plenty of time in the professional world of in-season NFL. The agent BETTER be responsive in 24 hour waiver claim period or you get a new agent.

I normally agree, but we're about to play Philly, and Slay would absolutely make them better. They got a bad CB that Slay would upgrade. AND he's (probably) useful for us. Even if only an injury replacement. We got killed last year after losing Benford. Our depth is better this year, but still not great.

Both teams keep investing more resources into WR (Chiefs) and DL (Bills) because BOTH positions are important and BOTH teams haven't successfully gotten the value they expected from their earlier picks at that position. Our DL draft picks have underwhelmed, so we had to continually invest in them to the point of literally spending our 2, 3 and 4th round picks this year to try and get quality young players at the position. If our DL was kicking buttox, we would not have used all those picks on DL. If KC's WR were also doing well, they would not keep drafting so many of them with high picks.