Pasaluki Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: Hold the pitchforks. No lynching yet. If anyone here had sex with a women you didn’t know that looked under 25 and asked her for her ID ahead of time you may throw the first stone. yeah the girl was covered in blood according to the complaint. So I can throw stones no problem actually. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Rampage said: Funny how Beane the other day in the Cody Ford press conference was saying they need to go back to the drawing board when evaluating prospects and seeing what went wrong with him. This might be another one. If Beane didn't know what was there to evaluate? I'm sure Araiza didn't come to pre-draft visits trying to hump women at the facility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, appoo said: I mean there’s enough detail/circumstantial evidence here - especially with Araiza admitting to a sexual encounter with here - that you need to suspend him until the criminal portion of this plays out. The accusations are heinous So wait, if Matt Araiza admitted to a sexual encounter - not described as rape - with a girl at a party - you feel he should be suspended? Yes, some of the accusations are heinous, but the NFL has not suspended other players who were actually arrested and face criminal charges until AFTER the investigation plays out. Can we just wait a minute to see 1) if criminal charges are filed, against whom they are filed, and what the charges are? 2) what the civil lawsuit actually states as Araiza's role in this? If this happened as alleged, it's a horrible thing that young woman went through. On the other hand, the cynical part of my brain notes that the lawsuit was filed very shortly after Araiza is pretty much locked in to have made an NFL roster with his rival already signed by another team and says "hmmmmm" And doesn't everyone deserve some sort of due process? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPoy88 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, Airseven said: There has got to be a criminal investigation into something like this... there was an the findings were recently submitted to the DA. Might want to read the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Yikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 duke lacrosse team was also falsely accussed and their lives were ruined. but i dont remember the details of that case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, appoo said: so basically what Matt’s angle here is that he had sex with her consensually but had nothing to do with what happened in the bed room. Bit presumptuous to call him a "member" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: Hold the pitchforks. No lynching yet. If anyone here had sex with a women you didn’t know that looked under 25 and asked her for her ID ahead of time you may throw the first stone. How about if you've ever had sex w an intoxicated underage woman then taken her into the bedroom for three of your friends to also rape you can throw the first stone 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 If he's found guilty then throw the book at him. Until then he's presumed innocent. But carry on with trial by media I suppose. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: California doesnt have one. If he was 18 and she was 17 its a misdemeanor. Up to 1 year in jail or probation and a fine. Older that 3 years older and it changes to a felony with tougher penalties. Thats what their law is. *OUT OF THE CONTEXT OF THIS STORY* what a stupid freaking law. So 2 HS Srs could date and have sex for 4 years, but on a magic bday it's suddenly illegal? All the other zaney crap going on in that state, and this is where they draw a hard line? Strange, and before I get blasted there's not a parent to a son in existence that would think this should be illegal. Clearly Araiza is older, and if true hes g2 go, but no rush to judgement till we can hear both sides. If he is guilty nfg, cut dude, g2 jail do not pass go 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said: Hold the pitchforks. No lynching yet. If anyone here had sex with a women you didn’t know that looked under 25 and asked her for her ID ahead of time you may throw the first stone. I'll throw the first stone then. And, not to mention, not knowing a persons age is not a defense in criminal court. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Story is really ***** up. They have for sure Araiza admitting to statutory rape. My prediction is that he will be released within a couple of hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 10 minutes ago, CSBill said: It appears there will be no winners in this situation. Haack is the big winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaoulDuke79 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: How about if you've ever had sex w an intoxicated underage woman then taken her into the bedroom for three of your friends to also rape you can throw the first stone So we're judge jury and executioner now based on an article everyone was just privy to two hours ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Murdock Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 He's done, finished, caput. Nice knowing you. Bills can't afford to let this disrupt this critical season for a stinking punter. Anyone see McDermott letting this fester for a nano-second? NO-WAY!! The media will go crazy. All future questions will be about the PUNTER!! Cut their loses ASAP. Bring back Haack. He was good enough. The debate is over now. Let's get the Super Bowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, appoo said: so basically what Matt’s angle here is that he had sex with her consensually but had nothing to do with what happened in the bed room. Where does he say he had sex with her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsSbSoon Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 How would Beane not have known about this. If this blows up he’s going to be forced to cut him asap 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Ross Murdock said: He's done, finished, caput. Nice knowing you. Bills can't afford to let this disrupt this critical season for a stinking punter. Anyone see McDermott letting this fester for a nano-second? NO-WAY!! The media will go crazy. All future questions will be about the PUNTER!! Cut their loses ASAP. Bring back Haack. He was good enough. The debate is over now. Let's get the Super Bowl. Haack signed with the Colts yesterday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Beane must be slamming his fist against the wall, knowing he just released Haack and he signed with Indy right away. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: This is really bad. It was out a month ago but didn’t get talked about. I hope the Bills are looking for a new punter. If he is part of this crap he should be in prison. If the story is true of course. To me, it sounds like it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Ross Murdock said: He's done, finished, caput. Nice knowing you. Bills can't afford to let this disrupt this critical season for a stinking punter. Anyone see McDermott letting this fester for a nano-second? NO-WAY!! The media will go crazy. All future questions will be about the PUNTER!! Cut their loses ASAP. Bring back Haack. He was good enough. The debate is over now. Let's get the Super Bowl. Haack plays for the Indianapolis Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 If the Bills want to keep preaching about culture, they need to move on from Araiza. At the very minimum he has admitted to having sex with her and he took advantage of someone under the influence. That sure as hell doesn't seem like someone who fits their culture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Ross Murdock said: He's done, finished, caput. Nice knowing you. Bills can't afford to let this disrupt this critical season for a stinking punter. Anyone see McDermott letting this fester for a nano-second? NO-WAY!! The media will go crazy. All future questions will be about the PUNTER!! Cut their loses ASAP. Bring back Haack. He was good enough. The debate is over now. Let's get the Super Bowl. Haack is with Indy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Where does he say he had sex with her? In a recorded call with the victim that was set up by the police. Edited August 25, 2022 by pigpen65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, pigpen65 said: Story is really ***** up. They have for sure Araiza admitting to statutory rape. My prediction is that he will be released within a couple of hours I dont think so for 3 reasons. 1. This has been investigated for a year and no criminal charges have been handed out yet. 2. Araizas Lawyer is denying that he was even in the Bedroom 3. Sounds like Bills looked into the situation previously 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 The more I read about this story the crazier it is. Unbelievable. 5 SDSU players rape an unconscious 17 year old? Unbelievable and disgusting! Throw the book at them…. It’s everywhere in the sports news and news in general. I suspect the Bills suspend him by tomorrow. Shocked they didn’t know anything about this before drafting him. Beane and Pegulas need to answer some questions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenboy81 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 This is some bad juju to start the season. Hopefully not true and over with soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 55 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: I’ll hold off on judging any of this but it’s definitely not a good look. Hope it’s not true, not cause of football but it’s just a disgusting thing to happen to anyone. It’s innocent til proven guilty, but god I hope there is nothing to this one. If so, it would be disgusting and no apologies for him. Im praying this is a shakedown, not real as it’s impossible to forgive what’s being claimed. I’ll wait and see. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 1 minute ago, BillsSbSoon said: How would Beane not have known about this. If this blows up he’s going to be forced to cut him asap I think if he knew about it and did not inform the owners, he is toast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, djp14150 said: big question I have….if they have DNA,they should have tested people accused by now. And they should have been charges by now. it’s always innocent until proven guilty. she mentioned his name because she probably already knew him at the party. That does not mean he is the one who did it. by the way, he’s now in the NFL so lawyer is willing to sue because he does have money. See if they can settle for a payday. There are some shady parts to the investigation. The school seems to have postponed the investigation and kept it quiet. Evidence was given to the DA very recently. A decision on charges is coming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross Murdock Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Albany,n.y. said: Haack is with Indy. Just now, Albany,n.y. said: Haack is with Indy. My bad. Doesn't matter. Move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said: So we're judge jury and executioner now based on an article everyone was just privy to two hours ago? It's enough for me. I'm not speaking for anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
appoo Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Beck Water said: So wait, if Matt Araiza admitted to a sexual encounter - not described as rape - with a girl at a party - you feel he should be suspended? Yes, some of the accusations are heinous, but the NFL has not suspended other players who were actually arrested and face criminal charges until AFTER the investigation plays out. Can we just wait a minute to see 1) if criminal charges are filed, against whom they are filed, and what the charges are? 2) what the civil lawsuit actually states as Araiza's role in this? If this happened as alleged, it's a horrible thing that young woman went through. On the other hand, the cynical part of my brain notes that the lawsuit was filed very shortly after Araiza is pretty much locked in to have made an NFL roster with his rival already signed by another team and says "hmmmmm" And doesn't everyone deserve some sort of due process? You realize he admitted to statutory rape right? https://www.cwsdefense.com/blog/2020/june/exceptions-to-californias-statutory-rape-laws/#:~:text=In California%2C it is illegal,informed consent to sexual activities. Matt was 22 when this incident happened. At BEST - a drunk girl started talking to him, and he didn’t bother to get her age, and decided the best course of action was to have sex with her, and that drink girl was 17. Someone who was over 20% younger than him - senior in college. He shouldn’t be on this team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 If she stumbled out of a bedroom bloodied into her friend you’d have to think there would be a whole lot of witnesses as to who came out of that bedroom after. Really surprised there has not been an arrest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, pigpen65 said: In a recorded call with the victim that was set up by the police. Oh boy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 Just now, Scott7975 said: I hope the Bills are looking for a new punter. If he is part of this crap he should be in prison. If the story is true of course. To me, it sounds like it is. To be fair it sounds true to all of us. But that’s the problem with only one side of the story out there currently and possibly some details missing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, Beck Water said: So the accusations are horrid, but it's not clear that Araiza is being accused of rape? Note that while described as "a minor", the alleged victim was then 17 years old, which is above the age of consent anywhere, and what Araiza did is not being described as "rape", but as "having sex with". I'm going to let this one play out. Edit: I opened my yap too soon. Apparently, in California, the age of consent is actually 18 https://www.newmanallen.com/blog/2021/august/what-is-the-age-of-consent-in-california-/ And there is no "Romeo and Juliet" exemption So in Cali, apparently if two high school students under 18 have sex after the prom, that's rape? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 We could probably trade him to Cleveland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKBillFan Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 We cut Haack a couple of days ago. The story was doing the rounds in late July and the original charges brought to the police last October. What the heck are we doing as an organisation? Are the management team confident he won’t have any criminal charges bought against him and will accept any outcome in civil court and, if so, how does that make us any better than the Browns with Watson? Or did they somehow miss this when doing due diligence? Either way, it’s an awful look. Innocent until proven guilty but no victim shaming either. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanNC Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Kmart128 said: I dont think so for 3 reasons. 1. This has been investigated for a year and no criminal charges have been handed out yet. 2. Araizas Lawyer is denying that he was even in the Bedroom 3. Sounds like Bills looked into the situation previously C'mon man, what's this other side of the story nonsense? Where's your pitchfork? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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