Help me understand an OBJ trade

[Mickey]

6 hours ago, mrags said:

 

 

Just curious how Acronyms effect this. Because if you eliminate the acronym it just sounds terribly wrong. 
 

“because he’s an free agent” 

 

yeah. Idk. I didn’t take 10th grade English. 

 

 

OCD is nothing to be ashamed of. You are not alone.

[BuffaloBill]

8 hours ago, FireChans said:

We would have to trade some money for his services…… because he’s an FA.

 

Perhaps he will take payment in turkey burgers and wings.

[sunshynman]

5 hours ago, mrags said:

 

I just think it’s completely lazy to type FA as opposed to free agent. It’s 7 additional characters. And typing, that takes about 1-2 seconds at the most. Even with my fat fingers and my iPhone I can’t type that whole thing out in about 3 seconds at the most. 
 

laziness is destroying this nation. 

OK BOOMER

[atlbillsfan1975]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Josh for Skelton and then Skelton for OBJ?

I am trying to remember, Was it M. Williams for Skelton originally? 

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Eventually:

 

Diggs

Davis

McKenzie

Beckham Jr.

Shakir

Kumerow

 

PS: Hodgins, Stevenson

8 hours ago, shoretalk said:

First, as others have pointed out OBJ is a free agent and can choose where he wants to play.  His choice may not even come down to money because if Buffalo was his choice, it is very obvious that the Bills only could pay him a very limited salary.

 

I think I am with you though when it comes to this urgent need of the Buffalo Bills for an OBJ still recovering from off season surgery, which is being orchestrated by Von Miller.  I am not a Crowder fan so I don't even include him in the group of talented receivers who are on the roster on opening day but one of them would have to be released to make room for "a still recovering from serious surgery" OBJ.

 

Here's my WR order right now (And, I say keep 7):

1. Diggs

2. Davis

3. McKenzie

4. Shakir

5. Hodgins

6. Kumerow (Need his special teams skills)

7. Crowder

 

So, do we cut Shakir for OBJ?  Or maybe let's cut Gabe Davis.  Not going to let Diggs go but perhaps Hodgins or Kumerow or Crowder.  But whose targets does he get and when does he get into the game?

 

If we order the Bills receiving group's targets as:

 

Diggs #1

Davis #2

Dawson #3 (Can't leave the tight ends out of this discussion)

McKenzie #4

Shakir #5

Cook/Singletary/Moss #6

 

Where would OBJ fit in and whose targets would he take?  Can he still run down field and make the cuts after his surgery?  Will he be able to leap and get his toes precisely down inside the chalk? Or perhaps should we ask what team is going to scoop up the receiver we have to release to sign OBJ for basically this season only?  Will we regret it? Or which of the receivers whose targets go down will be unhappy and which of his teammates will be unhappy as well?

 

I just don't see any benefit of dreaming that the 2022 OBJ will be the preinjury OBJ or even have enough ability to justify disrupting the team midseason.

There is 0% chance Crowder sticks if he is that far down the depth chart. No special teams

[Dopey]

Trade?!?

Blow up the roster?!?

 

L.A.M.P.  !!!!

[DCbillsfan]

8 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

Agreed that’s the dilemma. He could be a good addition down the line but do you need to lock him in now to prevent others from grabbing him or is it general practice to wait for more rehab progress   After the Watson contract things seem to have gone a bit off the rails 

They wouldn't sign him until he's closer to being able to practice/play.  Tre White tore his ACL around Thansgiving and OBJ tore his ACL in the Super Bowl.  So OBJ is quite a ways away from playing again.  It's usually at least 9 months to recover.  They also won't sign him until at least after week 1 of the season because his salary won't be guaranteed then.  As far as making room on the 53, there's always injuries where someone may go on IR or you could cut a guy who is on a 1 year deal so not really a big deal.

[Niagara Dude]

9 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

I’m not saying I want this or anything but if we were to grab OBJ, how in the heck would we need to change the projected roster to fit him in?  
 

we are pretty loaded and seeing promise among our group of rookies.  Even with Crowder having a bit of a slump in game 1 I project him on the 53.
 

I don’t see room for OBJ without blowing up something.  What am I missing?  Looking to better minds than mine on this, because I do believe it’s very interesting for the SB push later in the season.  

I think we have some very good talented receivers,  I also believe it's important to have guys with experience.  I would bring him in and have 3 wide receiver sets of Diggs /OBJ and Davis.  If healthy that is the best top 3 lineup in the NFL.  The reality is,  he would be signing just for one season and helping us win a title

[Behindenemylines]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

I think we have some very good talented receivers,  I also believe it's important to have guys with experience.  I would bring him in and have 3 wide receiver sets of Diggs /OBJ and Davis.  If healthy that is the best top 3 lineup in the NFL.  The reality is,  he would be signing just for one season and helping us win a title

I agree, and if he could help us win a SB why not?  I don't think he'd break the bank, and at this point in his career he's less "controversial personality wise" and to your point experience always helps.  Someone else pointed out that as he makes more strides in therapy his price goes up, and he was dominating in the SB before the injury. Get him close to that form and he adds value.

 

[Punching Bag]

3 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

I agree, and if he could help us win a SB why not?  I don't think he'd break the bank, and at this point in his career he's less "controversial personality wise" and to your point experience always helps.  Someone else pointed out that as he makes more strides in therapy his price goes up, and he was dominating in the SB before the injury. Get him close to that form and he adds value.

 

 

We need someone controversial to replace Beasley.

[Behindenemylines]

9 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

I don’t understand how signing OBJ and releasing one player to make room for him would in any way be considered “blowing up” their roster. Help me out here

We have to a large degree a fairly set idea of who and what we are.  Adding a piece that will come in mid to late season-with as big a name as OBJ-will require changes to the current plan we have right now.  Maybe "blow up" is strong and "Requires more changes than originally thought" is more appropriate.  I want all the options we can get for JA, and if the others understand we each get a few less touches to reach the championship then its a no brainer(and that's coaching to get that through and part of the culture).   All of these are concerns and require significant thought on part of the team coaches and leadership.  

 

2 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

We need someone controversial to replace Beasley.

Im on board for AB, he's a process guy Im told.  

[Greg S]

Sign him for this year. He helps us win the Super Bowl then let him cash in on a big contract with someone else. If doesn't work out then it was only for this year anyway. I will say with Diggs, Davis, and OBJ that would be a nice top 3 at WR. Throw in some of the other weapons we have along with Allen's ability to run. Opposing DC's would be having sleepless nights trying to come up with a game plan to stop the Bills. You can't double cover everybody so pick your poison and see what happens. My guess is it works out in the Bills favor most of the time.

[Niagara Dude]

4 minutes ago, Behindenemylines said:

I agree, and if he could help us win a SB why not?  I don't think he'd break the bank, and at this point in his career he's less "controversial personality wise" and to your point experience always helps.  Someone else pointed out that as he makes more strides in therapy his price goes up, and he was dominating in the SB before the injury. Get him close to that form and he adds value.

 

If we could sign him for cheap then that becomes the trade deadline guy that we don't have to give up assets to get. Not sure what defences do with a lineup of Diggs/Davis and OBJ ,  you cannot double everyone.  

 

Diggs has his new contract,  he does not need to pile up stats during the regular season and expose his body to all those hits before the real season (playoffs) begin. Having experienced depth allows the Bills to maybe sit Diggs out later in the season and get him ready for the playoffs.

[Irv]

Getting OBJ is about the best idea I’ve ever heard.  Every team needs an old, moody, selfish, injured, expensive, trouble-making, head case WR or two.  Beane - GET IT DONE!

 

 

Edited August 17, 2022 by Irv

[Dopey]

7 hours ago, mrags said:

 

I just think it’s completely lazy to type FA as opposed to free agent. It’s 7 additional characters. And typing, that takes about 1-2 seconds at the most. Even with my fat fingers and my iPhone I can’t type that whole thing out in about 3 seconds at the most. 
 

laziness is destroying this nation. 

This sentence contradicts your post. Did you mean you CAN type that whole thing out in about 3 seconds(or should it be "three" seconds at most?)? I mean, typing"3" vs. "three" seems pretty frickin lazy from someone who complained about lazy. It's only FOUR additional characters. If stuff like this is destroying this nation, then you're a kettle calling the pot black.

[RyanC883]

9 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

I get that OBJ is an elite talent, and would potentially make the team better.  I still have some difficulty with the fact that his presence would take away reps from young, promising receivers we've been waiting to for a while to break out: Gabriel Davis and Isaiah McKenzie.  Khalil Shakir is just a rookie, but what he's done has been impressive and fun to watch.  Even Isaiah Hodgins seems like a player who has shown enough that he deserves a shot to show what he can do on Sundays. (and now in prime time).  I know it is my own bias, but where possible, I like to see the home grown talent develop and shine.   Yes, the Bills signed Stephon Diggs when the receiving corps needed help, but now we've got home grown talent just begging for the chance to shine.  They will get less of a chance to shine if OBJ becomes a Bill.

 

i get your point.  but the goal is to win the SB, not grow talent all year.  OBJ is our Wr 2/3 in this offense if he plays like he did for the rams last year.  The developing players can also learn from him. 

[Dat]

If they could find some way to trade Edmunds for him, not sure to who, but I'm sure a lot of people would give it An "eFFing A".

Also, all my F's are hard.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I think the OP is under the impression that signing OBJ would be prohibitively expensive.

 

So aside from calling it an OBJ trade and not mentioning anything about fitting him under the cap, his post was very clearly written!

[That's No Moon]

10 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

So aside from calling it an OBJ trade and not mentioning anything about fitting him under the cap, his post was very clearly written!

I teach middle school. You have no idea.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 minute ago, That's No Moon said:

I teach middle school. You have no idea.

 

Well I'm not a teacher, but still have a pretty good idea! LOL

 

Maybe that was the reason you were the only person to be able to translate it.  Kind of reminds me of the scene from the movie Airplane. "He'll have the fish"

[That's No Moon]

5 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Well I'm not a teacher, but still have a pretty good idea! LOL

 

Maybe that was the reason you were the only person to be able to translate it.  Kind of reminds me of the scene from the movie Airplane. "He'll have the fish"

 

Edited August 17, 2022 by That's No Moon

[Freddie's Dead]

Stash Hodgins (yeah, I seddit!!) on the PS.

[HOUSE]

Waste not want not 

[chris heff]

11 hours ago, FireChans said:

F is pronounced ef and thus “an” is correct vernacular. It’s a vowel sound. I took English in tenth grade. 

I think the confusion lies with “FA” and it’s use as an abbreviation for “free agent”. For example “OBJ is a free agent” is correct, but technically so is “OBJ is an FA”.

[Ga boy]

5 hours ago, Mickey said:

OCD is nothing to be ashamed of. You are not alone.

I think I’d prefer OCD over OBJ

[aristocrat]

Let's trade Kiko for him. Who says no?

[SCBills]

Crowder is one year rental.  He's already behind McKenzie on the depth chart, doesn't play specials, and has a rookie who's making it very difficult to keep him off the field.  

 

To me, the question becomes.. Who would you rather have as a rental?  Crowder or OBJ.  

 

Bills throw the ball enough to warrant having 5 quality WR's rotating through.  Diggs and Davis are set as the outside 1 and 2.  McKenzie can lock down the slot long term by continuing his strong play into the season.  Shakir is WR4, who bumps down to WR5 if we bring in OBJ.  

 

I'm all in on OBJ for a year.  Bring Shakir along like they did Davis.  

[Matt_In_NH]

39 minutes ago, SCBills said:

To me, the question becomes.. Who would you rather have as a rental?  Crowder or OBJ.  

 

I think there is more to it than that.   What is the cost of both?  Is OBJ healthy?  What are the chances he is not affected by the injury when he is able to play this year?  People see/hear OBJ and just fall into fantasyland.....what will his contract be, 15 million for a guy with a recently torn ACL on a rental?  No thanks

[SCBills]

8 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

 

I think there is more to it than that.   What is the cost of both?  Is OBJ healthy?  What are the chances he is not affected by the injury when he is able to play this year?  People see/hear OBJ and just fall into fantasyland.....what will his contract be, 15 million for a guy with a recently torn ACL on a rental?  No thanks

 

I mean, this is obviously assuming the staff is confident in his abilities.  He's not going to command 15M.. if he does, he's not going to a contender, which I'm pretty sure is his goal over a money grab coming off the injury.  

[Rc2catch]

From what I have read is OBJ doesn’t want to sign yet. He wants a contender but doesn’t want to sign early. Be kinda dumb to sign in Green Bay or somewhere and the QB goes on IR week 4. 
But he is perfect for what Buffalo needs. He’s just insurance. 
I would rather sign him now and have him in November as opposed to someone getting hurt in November and having to sign a practice squad guy or force an overpay trade to cover a big injury. And as mostly everyone said he’s not really costing us a roster spot at final cuts 

[ngbills]

14 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

I don’t understand how signing OBJ and releasing one player to make room for him would in any way be considered “blowing up” their roster. Help me out here

Losing Kumerow would not be devastating? But Aaron Rodgers loves him and he would instantly make GB the super bowl favorites - sarcasm here. 

[MarlinTheMagician]

4 hours ago, Irv said:

Getting OBJ is about the best idea I’ve ever heard.  Every team needs an old, moody, selfish, injured, expensive, trouble-making, head case WR or two.  Beane - GET IT DONE!

 

 

This sarcasm expresses my feelings exactly.  OBJ for this team is the wrong guy -- I do not believe OBJ would provide too much of an upgrade over Lil' Dirty in the slot and Davis wide.  So why spend the money?  And even more, why risk the chemistry?  We don't need him.  Get more Online help at the trade deadline instead (if one needs to make a move).

Edited August 17, 2022 by MarlinTheMagician

[ddaryl]

4 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

https://youtu.be/yzIcec_bQss

"Jive ass dude ain't got no brains anyhow"

[Tipster19]

8 hours ago, machine gun kelly said:

Exactly Chans.  I’m in the camp to buy his services earlier rather than later and IR him.  He’s a definite upgrade over Crowder once healthy and would probably mean less receptions for McKenzie in late November/December.  Having Diggs, Davis and OBJ is a daunting thought.  OBJ was impactful for the Rams when healthy.  
 

Id rather not wait it out as it increases the chances to outbid us.  Besides we have a world class training facility, and our trainers and doctors can assist with his rehab.  I’d make that a stipulation in his contract.  It also gives him two months in rehab to learn the playbook, and get to know Allen.  What Allen likes and not, so he can hit the ground running (no pun intended).

If the Bills are interested in OBJ then I would think that they would and should wait a few games to assess what they already have. What I would be concerned with is the team chemistry. I really don’t know what to expect but Diggs considers himself, and rightly so, the alpha dog and I would think that that could be a potential issue. In addition to that Davis wants the ball more and has come right out and said that. McKenzie imo is going to have a HUGH year and personally I would like to give him the full opportunity to perform. I realize that that’s not the popular choice so I understand that it might not be the right decision. 

[folz]

To me it's not about the money (Beane can always figure something out when needed...he's very creative with the cap), or having to find a roster spot (they can make the numbers work and lose one of the end of the roster guys---doesn't have to be a WR).

 

To me it's about targets and attitude. I do not want to see Gabe Davis sit or be put in the back seat this year for OBJ, like they did with Sanders last year. Gabe needs to be on the field. OBJ can play the slot also, but we already have two good slot guys. Obviously, you could move him around (play outside and inside at times). I think this is what Dorsey wants out of his receivers anyways, as many of the guys learn all positions. The team wants that flexibility and unpredictability. But, we have a lot of weapons (Diggs, Davis, Knox, McKenzie, Crowder, Singletary, Cook, Shakir) and only one ball. I do not see OBJ being happy with a part-time or back-up role. And he has never been happy when he isn't getting targets. It was a question going into the Rams last year, but Robert Woods' injury gave him a full-time role.

 

So, the real questions are, where does he play? Do you make him your #2 and put Gabe to the bench? Do you play him in the slot with Diggs and Davis and sit McKenzie and Crowder? Would he be happy in a full-time slot role? If you sub him in and out at different spots, will he be happy with his playing time/targets?

Has his attitude changed from earlier in his career (definitely doesn't seem like a McD DNA type)? Will Josh feel the need to force targets to him because he's unhappy?

 

My gut instinct is no thanks to OBJ. Why risk the chemistry that has been building for this offense that is already one of the best in the league? But, if McD and Beane believe they can find a role that OBJ will be satisfied with and that doesn't send Gabe to the bench or disrupt the offense/team in any way, then I guess I could get on board with it.

[BillsFanForever19]

16 hours ago, Behindenemylines said:

I’m not saying I want this or anything but if we were to grab OBJ, how in the heck would we need to change the projected roster to fit him in?  
 

we are pretty loaded and seeing promise among our group of rookies.  Even with Crowder having a bit of a slump in game 1 I project him on the 53.
 

I don’t see room for OBJ without blowing up something.  What am I missing?  Looking to better minds than mine on this, because I do believe it’s very interesting for the SB push later in the season.  

 

Let's think here - last season we carried 7 WR's on the roster. We usually keep 6 and the extra spot was for Kumerow's ST's.

 

Even if we were to try to squeeze in OBJ as part of 6 man squad and you want to keep Crowder - Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Shakir, and Crowder make up only 5.

 

Surely, you wouldn't pass on OBJ for Tavon Austin, Isiah Hodgins, or Marquez Stevenson, right? And you could even keep one of them on the roster until OBJ is ready in November.

 

I don't see it remotely blowing up anything.

Edited August 17, 2022 by BillsFanForever19

[TheyCallMeAndy]

It makes sense considering we plan on playing 20+ games and you have to manage your top guys so everyone isn’t on dealing with thirty nagging injuries at the end of the year. OBJ won’t be medically cleared until later this year, so really we would have a healthy, fresh OBJ to unleash in the playoffs. OBJ also excels in the slot and is a different caliber player than Crowder and McKenzie.

[zow2]

I could talk my self into wanting OBJ on the roster and just as easily talk myself into not needing him whatsoever.

 

Not sure where the Bills are headed with this?  And what about OBJ's knee? how does anyone know it will be healed enough to play again this season.

 

I suspect Beane & Co. have this on the back burner until things will play out with injuries and such...and it will make it easier to decide if they want/need OBJ down the road.

 

 

[Captain Caveman]

This is a weird thread, and as others have pointed out the title is misleading.

With that said - I think Hodgins is promising and I hope we hang on to him, but are you saying you wouldn't let him go for OBJ?  If that's the case, why not lose Crowder for OBJ - the idea is he's a potential All Pro (if healthy) who can potentially get us over the top, or save our season if Diggs or Davis get hurt - why wouldn't we we make that roster move (assuming we fit him under the cap and he comes at not too heavy a long term cost.)

[Draconator]

The only way Obi Bon Jacoby signs with the Bills is due to injury of someone else. Too many good players in our WR core for really a rental player.