I think Greg Rousseau becomes an elite pass rusher in 2022

[Pabstblueribbon]

Rousseau's body type reminds me of Julius Peppers. If he can bulk up and hone his pass rushing skills with Von's help, he will be a major problem to opposing qbs. 

Edited May 2, 2022 by Pabstblueribbon

[streetkings01]

21 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

DM me because I want to bet you he won't get that many sacks. Talk is cheap. 

You gotta be a real clown to wanna bet against players on your team being successful!

[RyanC883]

I really hope he does.  He has the physical traits to be one.  

 

As far as elite, I don't think even with 10 sacks he'd be "elite" this year.  An "elite" rusher is a guy commanding double teams for himself.  Very good pass rusher would be nice to see.   I can see 10 sacks for him.  

Edited May 3, 2022 by RyanC883

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, streetkings01 said:

You gotta be a real clown to wanna bet against players on your team being successful!

I'm not betting against a Bills player. The real clown is you who interprets things incorrectly. I'll accept your apology. 

Edited May 3, 2022 by newcam2012

[ehfeuh57]

I dont really see this as a Hot Take

[njbuff]

Will he get the snaps is the biggest question.

[Rockinon]

The interior of the DL was changed significantly. I'm just speculating here, but I think the edges are going to benefit from the additions on the interior. Add in Von Miller and yeah, Groot could very well be a major beneficiary. It'll be more because of that interior DL than Miller though. Miller will also benefit from the interior flushing the ball carrier out.

[T master]

There are 2 things that i think will help Rousseau this season first having Miller in the Bills camp his experience will help him immensely then there is the fact that he has been in a NFL work out program for a entire off season .

 

Listening to 1 Bills Live Browny & Tasker have said Rousseau looks like a totally different human being given the amount of muscle he has added over this off season so that is going to be a huge help for him & yu put those 2 things together i think the guy will become a force to be reckoned with .

[BigAl2526]

I would hope and expect improvement from Rousseau this season.  I don't expect Von Miller to have any magic effect on him beyond attracting more attention from opposing blockers.  Rousseau has an entirely different body type, and a different skill set rushing the passer.  He may learn a trick or two from Miller, and I think he's a strong leader and locker room presence, which benefits everyone, but Miller's presence is not going to remake Rousseau's game.

[hemma]

Some of u likely know about this list (win rates).  I just stumbled on it and was surprised to see him listed with the 5th best  Run Stop Win Rate for DE/OLB.

 

Bunch of Bills on the list, with Ed Oliver being top 10 in rush and run stop.

 

Anyway, Rousseau gets to 10 sacks, he’ll be one heckuva player … among the best in the league.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings#pbwrplayers

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'm not betting against a Bills player. The real clown is you who interprets things incorrectly. I'll accept your apology. 

You two need to get a room, 

[GunnerBill]

On 5/2/2022 at 4:33 PM, streetkings01 said:

Calling it now……Greg Rousseau gets double digit sacks in 2022. 
 

#1 - Von Miller on the other side getting double teamed ……lots of 1on1 action for GR.

 

#2 - Learning from Von Miller is gonna take his game to the next level.

 

#3 - Our offense is gonna force alot of opponents to throw the ball to try and play catch-up …….GR will be able to pin his ears back and eat.

 

#4 - A full year in Buffalo’s strength and conditioning program.

 

i feel good about him in 22…….12-15 sacks…..calling it now!

 

Him getting double digit sacks I think is BOLD but not crazy. I think that is different to your thread title.... I'd be surprised if he is an "elite" pass rusher in year 2. Double digit sacks would not equate to that necessarily. I'm not saying that Greg can't eventually get to that. Nor am I saying double digit sacks wouldn't be a clear signal he is trending that way.... but he is still raw as a rusher. To be really elite you need to be the guy teams game plan to stop and STILL win lots of your rush downs. Teams are going to be planning to stop Von. That's why Greg getting 10 or 12 sacks is both plausible, but him being elite is less likely. 

[MJS]

On 5/2/2022 at 9:35 AM, GolfandBills said:

I heard something on one of the Bills podcasts forget which one but they said Rousseau looks like he put on a lot of muscle in his upper body.  I have a lot of hope for him this season as well 

One Bills Live talked about it. Said he has completely transformed himself.

[ArtVandalay]

LOVE Rousseau, kid is going to be a stud. 

 

Miller is a very very different type of player from him but will help greatly in his approach to the game and overall game understanding as a pass rusher, but what Miller does rushing and Rousseau two very different things... which is also why I'm excited you have two great talents with very different pass rush abilities. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

I’m interested to see if the two are on the field at the same time. Supposedly they both play the same side mostly.

[TBBills]

8 hours ago, hemma said:

Some of u likely know about this list (win rates).  I just stumbled on it and was surprised to see him listed with the 5th best  Run Stop Win Rate for DE/OLB.

 

Bunch of Bills on the list, with Ed Oliver being top 10 in rush and run stop.

 

Anyway, Rousseau gets to 10 sacks, he’ll be one heckuva player … among the best in the league.

 

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32176833/2021-nfl-pass-rushing-run-stopping-blocking-leaderboard-win-rate-rankings#pbwrplayers

Wow Ed Oliver on a few of those lists.

[2020 Our Year For Sure]

His length and his spatial awareness make him an excellent candidate for cleanup sacks and therefore a nice stylistic fit opposite Von Miller.

[Warcodered]

 

[BM77356]

On 5/2/2022 at 10:47 AM, TN Bills Fan said:

Pass rushes typically take a big jump in their 3rd year not their second.  

Not everyone gets Von Miller on the other side in year two

[Ethan in Cleveland]

On 5/2/2022 at 9:15 AM, streetkings01 said:

You’d be 100% incorrect.

 

Miller - 11.5 to 18.5

Garrett - 7 to 13.5

Mack - 4 to 15

TJ Watt - 7 to 13

Donald - 9 to 11

C. Jones - 6 to 11.5

JJ Watt - 5.5 to 20.5

N. Bosa - 9 to 15.5(missed 2nd season)

D. Hunter - 6 to 12.5

C Jordan - 1 to 8

Burns - 7.5 to 9 

 

 

Don't you know facts are not welcome here....

[Putin]

On 5/2/2022 at 10:33 AM, streetkings01 said:

Calling it now……Greg Rousseau gets double digit sacks in 2022. 
 

#1 - Von Miller on the other side getting double teamed ……lots of 1on1 action for GR.

 

#2 - Learning from Von Miller is gonna take his game to the next level.

 

#3 - Our offense is gonna force alot of opponents to throw the ball to try and play catch-up …….GR will be able to pin his ears back and eat.

 

#4 - A full year in Buffalo’s strength and conditioning program.

 

i feel good about him in 22…….12-15 sacks…..calling it now!

I’d be more then happy if he would to get 10 sacks 

[Alphadawg7]

I fully agree that Rousseau could be in line for a big breakout season, been saying it all off season.  HOWEVER...I would caution people on using double digit sack totals as the barometer for deciding it will be a break out year.  

 

He can affect the game in so many ways, plus we are still going to use a heavy rotation to keep legs fresh.  This isn't a defense where you are likely to see a single player get a ton of sacks, more like our defense as a whole collectively get more sacks with how we use a heavy rotation and now can get pressure from all 4 DL spots plus DB and LB blitzes.   

 

But Rousseau can be very disruptive in the passing lanes with his size, like how he tipped Mahomes pass and then caught if for an INT all because of his arm length.  And with Miller on the other side and a revamped interior DL that should also get to the QB more, plus our other young DE's rotating through, a breakout year for Rousseau may look like 7-9 sacks with lots of QB pressures, some tipped passes, etc.  

 

So I am all for calling it now in terms of him becoming a breakout player on the defense this year because I think he will.  I am not sold he hits 10-12 sacks as an individual just for the reasons I said above.  Certainly possible, but just saying its also not the only barometer for him to have a breakout season.  

[nosejob]

On 5/2/2022 at 11:33 AM, streetkings01 said:

Calling it now……Greg Rousseau gets double digit sacks in 2022. 
 

#1 - Von Miller on the other side getting double teamed ……lots of 1on1 action for GR.

 

#2 - Learning from Von Miller is gonna take his game to the next level.

 

#3 - Our offense is gonna force alot of opponents to throw the ball to try and play catch-up …….GR will be able to pin his ears back and eat.

 

#4 - A full year in Buffalo’s strength and conditioning program.

 

i feel good about him in 22…….12-15 sacks…..calling it now!

Wouldn't it be so cool to hear the national media heads saying.."This guys unstoppable!"...at the very  least a larger, stronger Jason Taylor. That's what I'm seeing. He's not Bruce Smith, but he's got Bruce to teach him.

 

 

Edited May 22, 2022 by nosejob

[John from Riverside]

The future is very bright for Groot he has definately been put into a position of success

[nosejob]

On 5/4/2022 at 3:54 PM, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I’m interested to see if the two are on the field at the same time. Supposedly they both play the same side mostly.

I'm kinda hoping they use Miller the same way they did Lorax....inside the DE...Groot. That was very successful and being the vet Lorax was , he was able to lead from there. If they're gonna play " we gonna rush four", they better be creative with line stunts at times, see above. I think Shaq needs to try RE with A.J. I like Boogie inside.....IMO. They have to have Groot and Miller on the field at the same time. Looking forward to the upgraded DT play.

Edited May 22, 2022 by nosejob

[BillsShredder83]

On 5/3/2022 at 5:50 PM, njbuff said:

Will he get the snaps is the biggest question.

Could see some interesting packages against the pass where Von and Lawson(or epenesa) line up at end, and Rousseas or Basham kick inside. Oliver or Jordan Phillips plays the other DT spot. That's a helluva pass rush when playing with a lead. Salivating

1 hour ago, nosejob said:

I'm kinda hoping they use Miller the same way they did Lorax....inside the DE...Groot. That was very successful and being the vet Lorax was , he was able to lead from there. If they're gonna play " we gonna rush four", they better be creative with line stunts at times, see above. I think Shaq needs to try RE with A.J. I like Boogie inside.....IMO. They have to have Groot and Miller on the field at the same time. Looking forward to the upgraded DT play.

This is an absolute must. I trust us to not overthink this

[Charles Romes]

He’s a totally different kind of pass rusher than Miller, so he’s not going to learn much from Miller except how to be a pro.  Rousseau does not have any bend and is not quick off the ball. He’ll have to rely on his potentially elite power, reach and play reading ability. 

Edited May 23, 2022 by Charles Romes

[Big Turk]

He was Josh Allen like raw coming out of college but you could tell last year that he has the physical tools to become elite. His setting the edge in the run game was a joy to watch at times...now he just has to get better with his pas rushing ability,

 

I thought Boogie Basham was coming on strong late in the season last year as well.

[FilthyBeast]

Whether it's Groot or someone else, it's going to say a lot about the rest of the talent on this Dline if nobody else can step up given the attention that both Miller and Oliver should garner each week.

 

Don't need to see another guy explode for 10-15 sacks, but definitely have to get out of this Jerry Hughes type of production from our DE's year in and year out (i.e. 5 sacks)

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 5/2/2022 at 1:12 PM, Bangarang said:

Meh..I don’t see an elite or even great pass rusher with Groot. Especially not coming off the edge. 

Almost as effective as Ed is inside

[GunnerBill]

3 hours ago, FilthyBeast said:

Whether it's Groot or someone else, it's going to say a lot about the rest of the talent on this Dline if nobody else can step up given the attention that both Miller and Oliver should garner each week.

 

Don't need to see another guy explode for 10-15 sacks, but definitely have to get out of this Jerry Hughes type of production from our DE's year in and year out (i.e. 5 sacks)

 

5 sacks from a second defensive end is fine. Von will get more than 5 sacks so long as he stays healthy. 

[TPS]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

5 sacks from a second defensive end is fine. Von will get more than 5 sacks so long as he stays healthy. 

Yeah, they don't need big numbers with their rotation. 

I think they'll have at least 2 other DEs with 5-7 sacks, excluding Von (8-9), and maybe 3 DTs.  They could be a lot like Minnesota last year, no one with double-digit sacks, but second in the league overall. 

[BADOLBILZ]

9 hours ago, Charles Romes said:

He’s a totally different kind of pass rusher than Miller, so he’s not going to learn much from Miller except how to be a pro.  Rousseau does not have any bend and is not quick off the ball. He’ll have to rely on his potentially elite power, reach and play reading ability. 

 

 

He's quick off the ball and he has about the longest first step you'll ever see,  which quickly stresses an OT in pass pro.    He has a number of things to work on but it was that initial impact quickly after the snap that made him effective in preseason and early in the season.     OT's adjusted.   I also think he hit the rookie wall pretty quick.   He had played just one season of football since HS and there he was starting in the NFL as a rookie(and leading NFL DL in run stops).   He did well under the circumstance but his weakness is just not being skilled enough yet to stringing multiple moves together when he gets stopped initially.    I think it's reasonable to question whether what Von can do will translate into things that could help Rousseau..........but I guess I wouldn't rule it out either.       

[Brand J]

On 5/22/2022 at 1:36 PM, nosejob said:

Wouldn't it be so cool to hear the national media heads saying.."This guys unstoppable!"...at the very  least a larger, stronger Jason Taylor. That's what I'm seeing. He's not Bruce Smith, but he's got Bruce to teach him.

 

 

Taylor was a much twitchier athlete than Rousseau. Their RAS scores bear that out as well:

Gregory Rousseau RAS

Jason Taylor RAS

[nosejob]

2 hours ago, JayBaller10 said:

Taylor was a much twitchier athlete than Rousseau. Their RAS scores bear that out as well:

Gregory Rousseau RAS

Jason Taylor RAS

Yeah, IDK Taylor was the first to come to mind when I pictured Greg becoming more dominant, with the long, swimmy, bendy rush. Someone mentioned Peppers and that would be fine, I'd like to see more power.

 

Maybe he'll push the 280 lb. mark with added muscle. He also may end up with his own unique type of niche. Either way, I'm expecting to see major improvement. He IMO did very good for a rookie to be in there from day one.

[Brand J]

28 minutes ago, nosejob said:

Yeah, IDK Taylor was the first to come to mind when I pictured Greg becoming more dominant, with the long, swimmy, bendy rush. Someone mentioned Peppers and that would be fine, I'd like to see more power.

 

Maybe he'll push the 280 lb. mark with added muscle. He also may end up with his own unique type of niche. Either way, I'm expecting to see major improvement. He IMO did very good for a rookie to be in there from day one.

I liked the Chandler Jones comparison to Rousseau, similar size too. Jones wasn’t as fast as Rousseau, but he was more agile and explosive. Not by much though. But you’re right, maybe Greg becomes his own thing.

[GunnerBill]

5 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's quick off the ball and he has about the longest first step you'll ever see,  which quickly stresses an OT in pass pro.    He has a number of things to work on but it was that initial impact quickly after the snap that made him effective in preseason and early in the season.     OT's adjusted.   I also think he hit the rookie wall pretty quick.   He had played just one season of football since HS and there he was starting in the NFL as a rookie(and leading NFL DL in run stops).   He did well under the circumstance but his weakness is just not being skilled enough yet to stringing multiple moves together when he gets stopped initially.    I think it's reasonable to question whether what Von can do will translate into things that could help Rousseau..........but I guess I wouldn't rule it out either.       

 

I think the thing both Greg and Von have is a good understanding of leverage. They generate it in different ways - Greg with length and Von with bend but where I think Von can help him is once you have won that first half of the rep and established leverage on the OT how do you convert that into pressure on the Quarterback. That is the next step. Once Von wins the first half of a rep it is game over for the tackle. That is where Greg can get better. When you have the advantage how do you hammer it home rather than allowing the lineman to recover. 

Edited May 24, 2022 by GunnerBill

[junior]

Carlos Dunlap always seemed like a good comp to me. RAS Scores check out:

 

• Gregory Rousseau
• Carlos Dunlap

Edited May 24, 2022 by junior

[JerseyBills]

On 5/2/2022 at 11:33 AM, streetkings01 said:

Calling it now……Greg Rousseau gets double digit sacks in 2022. 
 

#1 - Von Miller on the other side getting double teamed ……lots of 1on1 action for GR.

 

#2 - Learning from Von Miller is gonna take his game to the next level.

 

#3 - Our offense is gonna force alot of opponents to throw the ball to try and play catch-up …….GR will be able to pin his ears back and eat.

 

#4 - A full year in Buffalo’s strength and conditioning program.

 

i feel good about him in 22…….12-15 sacks…..calling it now!

I agree. I think he had an underrated rookie year,is a physical freak , has the trust of the coaching staff based on his playing time and has the potential to be an elite DE. 

I also think Boogie has alot of potential and love his ability to slide inside as well.

We got a talented, deep Dline

[CSBill]

I do hope. He will be better. Better talent around him. I say 10+ sacks this season.