End of the Dline rotation???

[Hebert19]

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

[SCBills]

Von is, of course, going to want that.  
 

It would be coaching malpractice to play him that much.  
 

Keep him fresh for big moments, big games and the Playoffs. 
 

We want 3 elite playoffs with him.   The rotation is how that happens… and Von knows that, despite whatever he says. 

[Mikie's Bills]

Just now, SCBills said:

Von is, of course, going to want that.  
 

It would be coaching malpractice to play him that much.  
 

Keep him fresh for big moments, big games and the Playoffs. 
 

We want 3 elite playoffs with him.   The rotation is how that happens… and Von knows that, despite whatever he says. 

This. I don't want him playing over 50% of the snaps against the teams like the Jets and Pats. 

 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Hebert19 said:

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

So I know what Von said today

 

but

 

I think that as the season goes on I think Miller is going to be thankful that McD does use a rotation.....which will keep him more fresh especially for when we hit the playoff games.

 

We invested a LOT in DL play......not only do we have Groot and Von Miller......we also brought back Shaq Lawson a very under rated signing not because he is a super start DE but because you are bringing him in a rotation.......same with the DT position.

[Mat68]

Yes and no.  Rotating is important.  In the critical moments of the game the best players gotta be on the field.  Thats what he is saying.  Also, he is being paid 54 mil to do something. Third and long best believe you let him eat. 

[Cruiserplayer]

Nolan Ryan was only allowed to pitch every 5th day until crunch time.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Cruiserplayer said:

Nolan Ryan was only allowed to pitch every 5th day until crunch time.

 

Can he get to the QB???   

[AuntieEm]

14 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

Yes and no.  Rotating is important.  In the critical moments of the game the best players gotta be on the field.  Thats what he is saying.  Also, he is being paid 54 mil to do something. Third and long best believe you let him eat. 

Basically I took it as Von loves watching Josh play so much.  He wants to escort the opponents offense off the field so he can get back to his front row seat to watch more.   He wants to play for years yet and a nice rotation keeps his wear and tear down.

 

 

Edited April 20, 2022 by AuntieEm

[H2o]

The DL rotation will continue. Von will be out there when it matters though. Close games in the 4th quarter? You can bet he'll only get a play or two off here or there. The games we're winning comfortably, I expect him on the sidelines for the most part. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

24 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

This is called a dog wants to eat. We’ve been missing this in the front 7.

[Alphadawg7]

Von wont likely see 70% of the snaps until the playoffs I would guess.  With 17 games now, I think they rotate him still a lot more than he is used to in the regular season to keep him fresh and healthy.  I

 

Just my 2 cents

[MrEpsYtown]

So I don’t have the wherewithal to find this right now, but the last premier defensive end McDermott had was Greg Hardy. I am curious to know what his rotation looked like. Or perhaps Trent Cole with the Eagles. Did those guys rotate as much?

[Hebert19]

29 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

So I know what Von said today

 

but

 

I think that as the season goes on I think Miller is going to be thankful that McD does use a rotation.....which will keep him more fresh especially for when we hit the playoff games.

 

We invested a LOT in DL play......not only do we have Groot and Von Miller......we also brought back Shaq Lawson a very under rated signing not because he is a super start DE but because you are bringing him in a rotation.......same with the DT position.

I agree 100 percent.  

 

Just a thought.  Although I still want more Ed than 50 percent of snaps.:)

[BillsFanSD]

We don't need Von Miller to go 14-3 or whatever and win the division.  We would do that without him.  Miller is here for one reason: a championship.  Frankly I feel like the first 17 games should be all about easing him into the defense so he's fresh and ready to go when it matters.

[The Jokeman]

32 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

We didn't bring in so many Dlineman to not keep the rotation going. Maybe Von gets more reps since have questions at DE but expect most other guys to get 33-40% of snaps.

[JDubya76]

If Von wants to see the end of that contract like he said he does, he better get used to the rotation. No point in wasting his reps in-season unless we really need to. 

[BillsFanForever19]

40 minutes ago, Hebert19 said:

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

 

I think the rotation was frequent because we lacked studs across the line, especially at DE. Hughes and Addison were showing serious signs of decline and age and needed to be kept fresh. Rousseau was a Rookie and they probably felt they needed to bring him along slowly, at first. And obviously, the DT position opposite Oliver was less than ideal until Phillips came on later in the season.

 

Having Von, Rousseau having more experience, and (imo) a more talented group of guys at the other DT spot - I fully expect that we'll rotate a little less than we have in years passed.

[Cruiserplayer]

42 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

Can he get to the QB???   

You’d have to ask robin ventura ?

[MrEpsYtown]

28 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

So I don’t have the wherewithal to find this right now, but the last premier defensive end McDermott had was Greg Hardy. I am curious to know what his rotation looked like. Or perhaps Trent Cole with the Eagles. Did those guys rotate as much?

Answering my own question, in his two full seasons in Carolina, Hardy played 76% of the snaps and 86% the following year, which was his best year. Now Hardy was a lot younger than Miller, and bigger. 

Charles Johnson was consistently in the 70s and lower to the 60s in later years. 

Can’t find the Trent Cole stats before 2012. 

 

Miller played in 76% of the snaps in Denver and 79% in LA. Imo, Miller should be in the 70s here as well. 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

1 hour ago, Mikie's Bills said:

This. I don't want him playing over 50% of the snaps against the teams like the Jets and Pats. 

 

Agree. I would prefer we bubble wrap him, and unwrap in the playoffs! 

[Motor26]

I think Ed deserves more snaps. He’s the only proven consistent interior pass rusher they have. 

[iccrewman112]

1 hour ago, Mikie's Bills said:

This. I don't want him playing over 50% of the snaps against the teams like the Jets and Pats. 

 

he was brought in for about 5 critical games per year in the regular season, and the playoffs. Whatever it takes for him to be as ready to roll in all those games.

[Rocky Landing]

Personally, I think the D-line rotation is going to be fiercer than ever. In fact, if we were going to have an early “bold predictions” thread, I might predict that a) we will once again have 11 defensive linemen on the 53, and b) there won’t be one of them with more than eight sacks, but the Bills D will be top five overall in sacks in the NFL. Which would be cool…

[TheFunPolice]

We need him 100% in January and February.

 

 

[BillsVet]

Check the DL snap counts when McD was Carolina DC.  Kawann Short and Charles Johnson were frequently over 70%, but it didn't mean they lacked the rotation McD insists on.  Now that he's a HC that rotation is as much a guarantee as ever.  Their UFA signings this season reinforces it.  

 

Except next season Josh's deal kicks in and there's no way they can keep spending on non-pass rush types.  Stands to reason they'll use more draft picks on DL to keep the rotation alive.  

 

At some point, the DL spending and picks will keep inhibiting the offense's and how this team wins games...Josh's arm. 

[billybrew1]

I hope we can run an effective rotation. I hope all four of the backups look great.

We need an effective DL to win that Super Bowl. We need Von to be a Star…. We need the young DEs to be a lot better this year….

We need the new DTs to both stop the run and force the QB deep so the ends can hit them…. We need a functional defensive line.

 

[TBBills]

We need that #1 seed. You all better hope they blow out a ***** ton of teams so Von can sit.

[NewEra]

I sure hope to see more rotation.  55-65% of the snaps for von vs the good teams. 25-55% vs the non contenders.  Hopefully sitting the 2nd half of a few blowout wins.
 

healthy for the playoffs is all I care about when talking about von.  

Edited April 21, 2022 by NewEra

[Thurman#1]

5 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

End of the Dline rotation???

 

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

If I had a vote it would be yes.  Ha. 

 

More von and Ed and then rotate the others. 

 

 

There'll be a rotation as long as McDermott is here.

 

As usual, some guys will get a few more snaps, some a few less.

 

IMO at Miller's age they'll sit him a lot during the regular season.

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Mikie's Bills said:

This. I don't want him playing over 50% of the snaps against the teams like the Jets and Pats. 

 

 

JEST No. P*ts yes - lots of QB hits and I want Bili-Cheat to feel every hit.

8 hours ago, Hebert19 said:

So listening to Von Miller's presser today he loves to play and will likely want at least 70 percent of snaps.  I feel like Ed Oliver plays better the more he plays and Rosseau is a every down type of DE...so do we move a little away from the rotation this year?

 

I wonder if he has incentives he wants to hit raising the amount he will earn in Buffalo.  How is any player supposed to live on $120 million when they do not even have jobs in off-season to keep them too busy to spend money?

[machine gun kelly]

Regardless of the talent, McD has at one of his core beliefs is to have a rotation.  Will Miller get 60-65% vs. 50, probably, but he may be better as the 3rd down guy, wrecking 3rd and long.

[nucci]

13 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

We don't need Von Miller to go 14-3 or whatever and win the division.  We would do that without him.  Miller is here for one reason: a championship.  Frankly I feel like the first 17 games should be all about easing him into the defense so he's fresh and ready to go when it matters.

every game matters....Most here think the Bills are just going to breeze thru the schedule. Miller is needed to win regular season games. You don't ease him in to the defense...he'll learn it during camp Don't assume anything. 

[eball]

NEWS FLASH!!!  Star player says he wants to play in the biggest moments.  Fans overreact.  Film at 11.

 

[Don Otreply]

13 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Agree. I would prefer we bubble wrap him, and unwrap in the playoffs! 

I’m thinking we let Von and our “D” trash QBs all season long, as the season progresses into the post season the fear of our “D” will be palpable on opposing teams, the battle is half won before the games even start come the post season, no mercy, advantage Bills! 
 

Just a thought, 😁👍🍺

[Warriorspikes51]

Miller is really a stand up Edge OLB. He almost never puts his hand down.  I'm curious to see how we use him

Edited April 21, 2022 by Warriorspikes51

[papazoid]

he aint gettin 70%

 

but he will lead the team....i'm guessing 65%

[T master]

Although the NFL has changed its approach to a lot of things thinking that RB's are a dime a dozen some players need to be in the game to get into a rhythm which i feel we saw with Motor last year .

 

When he's in just a handful of plays sharing the load with Moss he's not as effective but when he's the lead back & handles most of the plays he gets a good feel to see how the other side wants to play against him .

 

I think the same can be true with Von when you get into the game & after repeatedly working against your opponent you can set them up & see how they will react to how he rushes & then when he gets him thinking one way he goes the other & hello Mr sack .

 

So i think if Von goes to the coaches & say hey i know your into the rotation but i'n telling you i'm not i'm pretty sure they are gone got listen to him seeing as he's a 8x pro bowler with 2 rings & over 100+ sacks  !! 

[Mango]

14 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

So I don’t have the wherewithal to find this right now, but the last premier defensive end McDermott had was Greg Hardy. I am curious to know what his rotation looked like. Or perhaps Trent Cole with the Eagles. Did those guys rotate as much?

 

 

Good thought. 

In Hardy's best year he had 15 sacks and took 86% of defensive snaps. I think you definitely have to manage Miller's age and season. But I think there is something to letting premier players get a feel for the game so they can make huge plays in huge moments. Just being physically better isn't enough to beat the guy in front of you at a clutch moment. A lot of the time you beat a guy because you have been able to go to work on him every down and can pick up what he is doing and exploit them. I think that can be really difficult for some players unless they are a full standard deviation better than the guy lining up across from them. 

 

For reference Oliver lead the entire DL at 57% and Oldman- Hughes lead DE's at 51%. Nobody else was over 50%. I think it would be good for Rousseau to get to or 60%. Miller was over 70% in every game except his last in DEN and first in LAR. And he was over 80% in 8 games.  Miller doesn't seem to just like to play, he feasts on it. I think on the VERY conservative end Miller gets a governor put on him at 65% of snaps. 

[John from Riverside]

14 hours ago, Motor26 said:

I think Ed deserves more snaps. He’s the only proven consistent interior pass rusher they have. 

Yeah we just brought back a guy with double digit interior sacks in Tim settle got signed

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

I’m not on the bubble wrap wagon. Whatever Von wants you give him. Like Von said himself you ain’t sitting him for more than two snaps.  He is here to produce and the more he is out there the more game changing plays he can make. The Jags was supposed to be a cakewalk too..I have no worries about his usage throughout the year. Guy is a beast and let him be one.