patzen Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 But I'm not acting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Tua is 2nd rate QB until he proves otherwise. He is physically weak, lacking in Arm strength, and throwing velocity, he is undersized and injury prone, he may not have fully recovered from his hip injury from, iirc, his college years, hell, Epenesa took him out of a game sacking him, he is not in the top fifty percent of starting QBs in the league, everyone knows these things about Tua. As well, everyone knows that the Buffalo Bills won’t take an fellow AFCE team lightly, being that winning the division is the number one requirement to get to the post season, these made up things to worry about angst threads are just that. End rant. It’s eleven thirty, I’m tired, and I’m going to bed, ya I’m old, get off my lawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Think OP had one tua many 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 24 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Some of you all need to give him more credit. Tua is one of the absolute best in the league at throwing with his left hand. Name someone better at that. Landry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 1 hour ago, qwksilver said: Thank goodness Herbert isn't their QB. Their offense is loaded. Herbert has plenty of weapons to worry about as is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I'll admit that Tua looked more athletic and elusive in the pocket last season. Even Flores and his alleged/reported suspicion of his own QB's off-season physical "progression" would suggest that others can see Tua's work in the weight room. Conversely, his mediocre arm strength and lack of success downfield thus far in the NFL is a thing. To be fair (cue the gif) in the context of this board, no Miami QB has looked remotely competent against the Bills, specifically, for some time. I think that is skewing fans' perceptions of Miami's potential in 2022. That roster, with an annoying Shanahan offensive scheme, could be annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mc1320 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Noodle Arm won’t be able to take advantage of Hill’s speed down the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 2 hours ago, recovery96 said: There is a chance he makes a reasonable jump this year. Anyone who is writing the Dolphins off are naive. Are they the class of the AFC? No, but they will be vastly improved and will strongly compete for a playoff spot. "Strongly compete for a playoff spot" lol strongggg considering all but like 6 teams are "in the hunt" into December Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 I don't think he's a scrub, but nothing about him screams elite. Everybody says Allen wasn't anything special until they gave him weapons. Fair enough, but since Day 1 he ALWAYS gave you glimpses of ELITE arm strength, durability and overall athleticism. Outside of accuracy Tua hasn't shown much but maybe the influx of new talent helps his development. But, with his skill set I don't see him being a perennial All Pro or Pro Bowler for that matter. A serviceable and competent QB is pretty much all you can ask for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Admittedly the sample size I have to go off of are his games against Buffalo. He is average at best. And we all know from recent history that having a quarterback means literally everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 51 minutes ago, Maybe Someday said: Some of you all need to give him more credit. Tua is one of the absolute best in the league at throwing with his left hand. Name someone better at that. Patrick Mahomes? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Honestly, I think Zach Wilson has a better chance of breaking out this year than Tua. I have seen him play live multiple times and he reminds me of a less athletic Kaepernick. Runs everything out of fake read-option and only reads half the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, billsbackto81 said: I don't think he's a scrub, but nothing about him screams elite. Everybody says Allen wasn't anything special until they gave him weapons. Fair enough, but since Day 1 he ALWAYS gave you glimpses of ELITE arm strength, durability and overall athleticism. Outside of accuracy Tua hasn't shown much but maybe the influx of new talent helps his development. But, with his skill set I don't see him being a perennial All Pro or Pro Bowler for that matter. A serviceable and competent QB is pretty much all you can ask for. All you had to do was watch Allen's first road game and first start against Minnesota where he leapt over 6' 5" MLB Anthony Barr for a first down on 3rd and long, followed by running away from Barr on a scramble where he did a diving superman for the pylon of the end zone. Two plays I am not sure I have ever seen a Bills QB make in my lifetime. Under one full game(he played half a game the previous week against SD) to know this dude had something special to him. In Tua's entire career I doubt he has done anything even remotely close to as impressive as what Allen did in less than his first 60 minutes in the NFL. Edited March 26, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Let's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) Their offense will be improved but man the dolphins and pats basically standing pat on defense is an absolute head scratcher. tuas worse than a scrub for that franchise imo…I don’t mean talent wise but he’s that in betweener where you just don’t know if you should move on from him or not. Edited March 26, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Their offense will be improved but man the dolphins and pats basically standing pat on defense is an absolute head scratcher. tuas worse than a scrub for that franchise imo…I don’t mean talent wise but he’s that in betweener where you just don’t know if you should move on from him or not. Tua is good enough to keep as a starter but bad enough to never rest give you a shot to win much if anything. He is basically like Derek Carr but not quite as good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Tua will improve as he begins to read defense better. He’s going to be a qb that beats you with timing, accuracy, and decision making. There is a lot of room to grow for Tua. We’ll just have to wait and see. If he learns to get the ball out on time and to the right WR he can be very good. Arm strength is a small part of playing QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Tua will improve as he begins to read defense better. He’s going to be a qb that beats you with timing, accuracy, and decision making. There is a lot of room to grow for Tua. We’ll just have to wait and see. If he learns to get the ball out on time and to the right WR he can be very good. Arm strength is a small part of playing QB. A small part until you need it on a key 4th down play late in the game down 5 points and you have to fit a ball into a right window. Then it's the difference between winning and losing. Edited March 26, 2022 by Big Turk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 hours ago, recovery96 said: There is a chance he makes a reasonable jump this year. Anyone who is writing the Dolphins off are naive. Are they the class of the AFC? No, but they will be vastly improved and will strongly compete for a playoff spot. Strongly compete for a playoff spot when there is 10 QBs easily 2-3x better than him in the AFC now. Nope... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Augie said: Who said he is a scrub? He’s just not elite. What is he great at? Josh he is NOT. In hope they stick with a B- or C+ QB, it makes our path easier. There's at least 10 posts here saying he "sucks","is a joke", "is a scrub". Also, the op didn't even come close to comparing him to Josh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 He is possibly the worst QB in this division. So that makes him a bottom tier QB since our division may only field 1 playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Turk71 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 He's definitely in the bottom 1/2 of the leagues starters, not sure if that makes him a scrub. A scrub with potential? Is he even the best QB on their team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, NewEra said: I think he can play at a Jimmy G level. They can contend for the playoffs 💯 It’s all on McDaniel. If he’s good, they’ll be good. If he’s not. They won’t be good Correct. They have competed for the playoffs the last two seasons and nobody is logically arguing they have got worse by adding a top 5 receiver and a top 10 left tackle. The big change is head coach so let's see how that works out. I don't think they are a serious threat for the division title but I do think they might be a bigger test for the Bills in the head to head if defensively they have gotten away from Flores' insistance on playing man across the board vs Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs. Edited March 26, 2022 by GunnerBill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Okay. I think that Tua is a "legitimate starter" in the vein of of Kirk Cousins, Mac Jones, David Carr, Jimmy Garopalo and others. Meanwhile we have Josh Allen. So,we win 3 out of 4 games vs the phins, where does that leave Miami? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Big Turk said: A small part until you need it on a key 4th down play late in the game down 5 points and you have to fit a ball into a right window. Then it's the difference between winning and losing. It’s never going to be his game. He’s got to think the game faster. That takes time to develop. 4 hours ago, Mc1320 said: Noodle Arm won’t be able to take advantage of Hill’s speed down the field. Drew Brees use to hit Brandin Cooks in stride. Maybe not 60 yards down field but 30-40 yards on time and on the money. Edited March 26, 2022 by Buffalo_Stampede Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 7 hours ago, recovery96 said: There is a chance he makes a reasonable jump this year. Anyone who is writing the Dolphins off are naive. Are they the class of the AFC? No, but they will be vastly improved and will strongly compete for a playoff spot. Yep - that is why the HC wanted to start Fitz over him in year 1 and had to keep pulling him late in games, why they ruined last year wanting to trade for Watson, why there are constant rumors they tried to get Brady this off season, etc. The Dolphins think he is a scrub to the point they have inquired about every available QB to replace him. I expect this year will continue with the high completion % for less yards, a few injuries, and lots of excuses about getting better, but issues when they miss out again. 🤦♂️ 6 hours ago, Maybe Someday said: Some of you all need to give him more credit. Tua is one of the absolute best in the league at throwing with his left hand. Name someone better at that. I think Josh throwing left handed would still be better than Tua and have more arm strength. Less accuracy, but a bigger weapon still. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Breakout Squad said: Ok I’m naive. I think Tua is a joke. He will never be a legitimate starter with that weak arm. They won’t strongly compete for anything yeah, guys like Tyrod Taylor , Jalen Hurts and Tua (even the smurf in Az.) have all the smarts and savvy , just don't have the arm strength and size to get their teams thru the payoffs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 22 minutes ago, ProcessTruster said: yeah, guys like Tyrod Taylor , Jalen Hurts and Tua (even the smurf in Az.) have all the smarts and savvy , just don't have the arm strength and size to get their teams thru the payoffs. Yeah... Idk about smart and savy when it comes to Tua. I think more of an overachieving systems guy, a game manager with some decent athleticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Tua is pretty good. Not somebody I would want, but pretty good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 At best, Tua is Mac Jones2. Beatable. unfortunately for Miami, Josh owns them, regardless who their players are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Tua is not a scrub. I'm not saying he's a scrub when I speculate Miami doesn't believe in him as the long term answer. In two years though it seems he struggles pushing the ball down field and is only effective in the short to short-intermediate passing game. Does he have some weapons now? Absolutely. Do I think the Dolphins could make the Playoffs? Absolutely. Do I think you can just pencil in two victories against them this year? No, not by any means. Tua can be serviceable. He can be a game manager. They have two WR's with crazy speed now who can take any of those short passes to the house. We'll see how the McDaniel offense looks with all of this in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 9 hours ago, recovery96 said: There is a chance he makes a reasonable jump this year. Anyone who is writing the Dolphins off are naive. Are they the class of the AFC? No, but they will be vastly improved and will strongly compete for a playoff spot. Miami really needs to extend him on a Rodgers like deal now and lock him up long term! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Are the Dolphins paying coaches to lose this season? No word yet.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 Some people really long for the off-season of yesteryear and justifying that you can be a good team with a mediocre qb. they’ve even started doing it for the dolphins now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 4 hours ago, Dopey said: There's at least 10 posts here saying he "sucks","is a joke", "is a scrub". Also, the op didn't even come close to comparing him to Josh. 10 posts on a rival teams message board IS nobody. let’s be real, if you are in the top 50 in the world at just about anything, yet alone something millions dream to do, you are exceptional at it. Unfortunately for Tua you have to be top 10-12 to be a meaningful Nfl qb and he is not top 10. Additionally anybody that is top 10 is fair to at least compare to josh even if josh matches up favorably on many metrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 9 hours ago, Putin said: That is a strong possibility as well Awesome name...Hitler taken? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 10 hours ago, recovery96 said: There is a chance he makes a reasonable jump this year. Anyone who is writing the Dolphins off are naive. Are they the class of the AFC? No, but they will be vastly improved and will strongly compete for a playoff spot. 🤣 lets not pretend Tua is a super star 🌟 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 (edited) I'm not going to post any links, but the internet is not lacking rumors that Brady is trying to orchestrate a trade to Miami. Because it's the Dolphins, I'm not even sure I'm worried about that at all. And Tua... lol. Just no. He stinks. Edit... Just saw there's already a thread on the Brady rumor here. Edited March 26, 2022 by Bferra13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 26, 2022 Share Posted March 26, 2022 How about let's not act like Tua has shown one thing that says he's that guy. With the 49ers system in place and the playmakers he has around him, he may be decent this year. It won't be because he's elite though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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