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2 minutes ago, arcane said:

Not too concerned? This is a horrifying scenario lol. I don't want the line to be the think that clips our championship chances and the only reason we had a shot last year is because they pulled themselves together AFTER bates came in. The line pre bates was bad enough for this team to lose to Jacksonville. 

 

Right but remember we were tinkering with the OL combos all season (and last season too).  Bates looked really solid at LG in between Dawkins and Morse the last few games, but with Saffold coming in he would have likely moved to RG anyway, which presents some unknowns.  In previous years Bates has looked like a solid backup material at best.  You can get away with one below average starter on the OL, and who knows we may be able to find a cheaper vet replacement at RG or a rookie to compete with ford (or both).  That's why I'm not too concerned.  Not saying OL isn't important, I just don't think Bates was that valuable to begin with.  I'd rather spend the money on a vet #2 corner.

 

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Just now, JayBaller10 said:

I heard it was the lowest tender, not the one that provided 2nd round compensation if he left. A difference of $1.5M.

You are right.  so the Bills didnt value him at even 1.5M more than he is currently at to protect him on the Bills.  Because NO team would have given up a 2nd for Bates.

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Bates played very well during his opportunity, but he also couldn't crack the starting lineup through camp and the majority of the season until injuries forced him into action.  The offer by the Bills seems about right, and if the Patriots want to overpay, so be it. 

 

There was also speculation of bringing Williams back at guard money after he tests the market.  If so, would Bates even make the starting lineup?

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I think the Bills idea is, why give more information to our competitors, they don’t know for certain what we value him at, this may be nothing more than a curtesy to a valued player, 

 

or I could be talking out my a_ _😁👍

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15 minutes ago, napmaster said:

Bates played very well during his opportunity, but he also couldn't crack the starting lineup through camp and the majority of the season until injuries forced him into action.  The offer by the Bills seems about right, and if the Patriots want to overpay, so be it. 

 

There was also speculation of bringing Williams back at guard money after he tests the market.  If so, would Bates even make the starting lineup?

His value is also in his versatility as a  backup center, they let Feliciano go also who can play center, so this would create a hole.  It will not be the end of the season or something they cannot overcome but it will force the Bills to do something.

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14 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

If the Pats* are gonna overpay him then we can't do anything about it. Also if they are offering 3 years at 6 million a year he has to at least consider it since player careers are so short 

the devil is in the details. the Patriots could  steal him from us by front loading a contract and making him easy to cut at a later date. basically siggning him to a contract which ensures the Bills cannot match year 1 this year due to our tight cap. Year 1 is extremely high but the rest of the contract is nil beyond this year making him easy to cut if he does not pan out but more importantly making it impossible for us to match.

 

at that point our only opportunity is to offer a longer contract.

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Just now, Rocky Landing said:

Could it be that we are over-valuing Bates based on a couple games in which he looked pretty good, playing between two top-tier players? There were plenty of times in the past that Bates came in off the bench and looked pedestrian at best.

No. He’s always played well. 

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56 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

the devil is in the details. the Patriots could  steal him from us by front loading a contract and making him easy to cut at a later date. basically siggning him to a contract which ensures the Bills cannot match year 1 this year due to our tight cap. Year 1 is extremely high but the rest of the contract is nil beyond this year making him easy to cut if he does not pan out but more importantly making it impossible for us to match.

 

at that point our only opportunity is to offer a longer contract.

Nice to see you back, it's been awhile.

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2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said:

If somebody makes a big offer, the bills can match or trade. They lost Chris Hogan to the patriots under similar circumstances. 

Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆

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5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆

Gilllislie (not sure of spelling)

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34 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆

 

Mike Gllislee?

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5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said:

For the Patriots, it's kind of a win win.  Either they end up with Bates, or they perhaps force Buffalo to spend more cap dollars than they hope to.

But in reality, it accomplished nothing as we’re going to kick their heads in every year for the next 10 years 

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5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Not 100% true.  He could sign the Tender, and then these visits even stop.  But in theory Bills could say if you find an offer somewhere before signing let us know the numbers, then sign your tender and we will trade you there.

Yep for 1.5M more could have tendered at the 2nd round level.  That should tell people the value the Bills really put on Bates.

Yes!  Not so much of a run blocker.  Kromer, Saffold suggest perhaps somewhat of a change in direction.  

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5 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said:

Damn, Bates is gone.  Pats have plenty of cap space and just lost/traded away both their starting guards.  Minnesota didn't have a lot of room wasn't as worried there, but NE will make an offer Bills can't match. 

 

Oh well, not too concerned.  We have Saffold at LG, and then it will be between Ford/rookie for the RG spot.

 

The Bills show on the "books" right now as having $16.9M cap with 5 contracts not yet "on the books" at OTC

 

The Patriots show on the "books" right now as having$12.1M  with 4 contracts not yet "on the books" at OTC.  I don't know how those contracts compare in cap hit for this year, but the point is, I don't think one can tell what the cap situation really is right now.

 

Bates has until April 22 to receive qualifying offers and let the Bills match.

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6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

It's a shame Beane and McD didn't put more of a priority on keeping  arguably our most versatile O lineman. Let's hope they don't have to match some outrageous contract.

An undrafted free agent who has 7 starts in 3 seasons is not gonna get an outrageous contract regardless his versatility

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7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

An undrafted free agent who has 7 starts in 3 seasons is not gonna get an outrageous contract regardless his versatility

Oh yeah! Well Jimmy Garoppallo says, Hold my Beer!

 

Apples and Oranges I know..😋

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This is currently the scariest thread.  Every time I click I’m like Look Looking GIF by SpongeBob SquarePantsafraid of possible bad news. Losing Bates was not part of this offseason plan imo. If we lose him, they’ll be kicking themselves for that tender. 

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Just now, NewEra said:

This is currently the scariest thread.  Every time I click I’m like Look Looking GIF by SpongeBob SquarePantsafraid of possible bad news. Losing Bates was not part of this offseason plan imo. If we lose him, they’ll be kicking themselves for that tender. 

I mean in Bean's presser he said that if a team offers him Bills have like a week to match.

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