vtnatefootball11 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, arcane said: Not too concerned? This is a horrifying scenario lol. I don't want the line to be the think that clips our championship chances and the only reason we had a shot last year is because they pulled themselves together AFTER bates came in. The line pre bates was bad enough for this team to lose to Jacksonville. Right but remember we were tinkering with the OL combos all season (and last season too). Bates looked really solid at LG in between Dawkins and Morse the last few games, but with Saffold coming in he would have likely moved to RG anyway, which presents some unknowns. In previous years Bates has looked like a solid backup material at best. You can get away with one below average starter on the OL, and who knows we may be able to find a cheaper vet replacement at RG or a rookie to compete with ford (or both). That's why I'm not too concerned. Not saying OL isn't important, I just don't think Bates was that valuable to begin with. I'd rather spend the money on a vet #2 corner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, JayBaller10 said: I heard it was the lowest tender, not the one that provided 2nd round compensation if he left. A difference of $1.5M. You are right. so the Bills didnt value him at even 1.5M more than he is currently at to protect him on the Bills. Because NO team would have given up a 2nd for Bates. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Bates played very well during his opportunity, but he also couldn't crack the starting lineup through camp and the majority of the season until injuries forced him into action. The offer by the Bills seems about right, and if the Patriots want to overpay, so be it. There was also speculation of bringing Williams back at guard money after he tests the market. If so, would Bates even make the starting lineup? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Don’t become part of the HATE, Mr Bates!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I think the Bills idea is, why give more information to our competitors, they don’t know for certain what we value him at, this may be nothing more than a curtesy to a valued player, or I could be talking out my a_ _😁👍 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 NE Better start Buying and Drafting OL high. Scarneccia isnt coming back to continually save that abomination of a OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 15 minutes ago, napmaster said: Bates played very well during his opportunity, but he also couldn't crack the starting lineup through camp and the majority of the season until injuries forced him into action. The offer by the Bills seems about right, and if the Patriots want to overpay, so be it. There was also speculation of bringing Williams back at guard money after he tests the market. If so, would Bates even make the starting lineup? His value is also in his versatility as a backup center, they let Feliciano go also who can play center, so this would create a hole. It will not be the end of the season or something they cannot overcome but it will force the Bills to do something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I don’t know about you, but any Bills player who goes to the Pats is immediately placed on my s@&# list. Don’t do it, Rick!! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I mean he has a choice. If he wants to go play for that cesspool, then F him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Can’t fret over the Ryan Bates of the world Literal JAG 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 He must have a screw loose to wanna go to the Pats and then get thrown around by the new and improved Bills DL. He's just asking to get embarrassed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Made absolutely zero sense not to put the 2nd round tender on him. Guy was a potential starter and at worst really good depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 7 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Can’t fret over the Ryan Bates of the world Literal JAG I think he is a little better then that....but replacable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 If the Pats* are gonna overpay him then we can't do anything about it. Also if they are offering 3 years at 6 million a year he has to at least consider it since player careers are so short 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I suspect they will match whatever offer. They saw how much better the line played with Bates in there and they need the backup C.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: If the Pats* are gonna overpay him then we can't do anything about it. Also if they are offering 3 years at 6 million a year he has to at least consider it since player careers are so short the devil is in the details. the Patriots could steal him from us by front loading a contract and making him easy to cut at a later date. basically siggning him to a contract which ensures the Bills cannot match year 1 this year due to our tight cap. Year 1 is extremely high but the rest of the contract is nil beyond this year making him easy to cut if he does not pan out but more importantly making it impossible for us to match. at that point our only opportunity is to offer a longer contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blainorama5 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Tell the Pats to sit and spin! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Could it be that we are over-valuing Bates based on a couple games in which he looked pretty good, playing between two top-tier players? There were plenty of times in the past that Bates came in off the bench and looked pedestrian at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, Rocky Landing said: Could it be that we are over-valuing Bates based on a couple games in which he looked pretty good, playing between two top-tier players? There were plenty of times in the past that Bates came in off the bench and looked pedestrian at best. No. He’s always played well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Featured Comment Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Featured Comment Share Posted March 18, 2022 I don't think we need multiple threads for every team that might try to poach the dude off his "right of first refusal" RFA tender by the Bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 I will personally fellate him if he agrees to at least not go to the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4BillsintheBurgh Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Boyst62 said: the devil is in the details. the Patriots could steal him from us by front loading a contract and making him easy to cut at a later date. basically siggning him to a contract which ensures the Bills cannot match year 1 this year due to our tight cap. Year 1 is extremely high but the rest of the contract is nil beyond this year making him easy to cut if he does not pan out but more importantly making it impossible for us to match. at that point our only opportunity is to offer a longer contract. Nice to see you back, it's been awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, TC in St. Louis said: If somebody makes a big offer, the bills can match or trade. They lost Chris Hogan to the patriots under similar circumstances. Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Can’t fret over the Ryan Bates of the world Literal JAG We thought the same about Wyatt Teller 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆 Gilllislie (not sure of spelling) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 34 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said: Who was the rb they poached from us around same time. Had a chitt ton of tds for us. Can't remember his name but our world was falling down about it 😆 Mike Gllislee? Edited March 18, 2022 by AuntieEm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Bills need 6-7 starting caliber O linemen to prosper over a 17 game season plus playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 For the Patriots, it's kind of a win win. Either they end up with Bates, or they perhaps force Buffalo to spend more cap dollars than they hope to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: For the Patriots, it's kind of a win win. Either they end up with Bates, or they perhaps force Buffalo to spend more cap dollars than they hope to. But in reality, it accomplished nothing as we’re going to kick their heads in every year for the next 10 years 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, 4BillsintheBurgh said: Nice to see you back, it's been awhile. i have been lurking lots and lots - always been around. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Not 100% true. He could sign the Tender, and then these visits even stop. But in theory Bills could say if you find an offer somewhere before signing let us know the numbers, then sign your tender and we will trade you there. Yep for 1.5M more could have tendered at the 2nd round level. That should tell people the value the Bills really put on Bates. Yes! Not so much of a run blocker. Kromer, Saffold suggest perhaps somewhat of a change in direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 5 hours ago, vtnatefootball11 said: Damn, Bates is gone. Pats have plenty of cap space and just lost/traded away both their starting guards. Minnesota didn't have a lot of room wasn't as worried there, but NE will make an offer Bills can't match. Oh well, not too concerned. We have Saffold at LG, and then it will be between Ford/rookie for the RG spot. The Bills show on the "books" right now as having $16.9M cap with 5 contracts not yet "on the books" at OTC The Patriots show on the "books" right now as having$12.1M with 4 contracts not yet "on the books" at OTC. I don't know how those contracts compare in cap hit for this year, but the point is, I don't think one can tell what the cap situation really is right now. Bates has until April 22 to receive qualifying offers and let the Bills match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, billsbackto81 said: It's a shame Beane and McD didn't put more of a priority on keeping arguably our most versatile O lineman. Let's hope they don't have to match some outrageous contract. An undrafted free agent who has 7 starts in 3 seasons is not gonna get an outrageous contract regardless his versatility Edited March 18, 2022 by Buffalo716 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: An undrafted free agent who has 7 starts in 3 seasons is not gonna get an outrageous contract regardless his versatility Right but even if it’s 3 years $10 million a team could front load it knowing the Bills are tight on the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: An undrafted free agent who has 7 starts in 3 seasons is not gonna get an outrageous contract regardless his versatility Oh yeah! Well Jimmy Garoppallo says, Hold my Beer! Apples and Oranges I know..😋 Edited March 18, 2022 by billsbackto81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Right but even if it’s 3 years $10 million a team could front load it knowing the Bills are tight on the cap. I think the bills could still fit that contract under the cap with a couple maneuvers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 This is currently the scariest thread. Every time I click I’m like afraid of possible bad news. Losing Bates was not part of this offseason plan imo. If we lose him, they’ll be kicking themselves for that tender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: This is currently the scariest thread. Every time I click I’m like afraid of possible bad news. Losing Bates was not part of this offseason plan imo. If we lose him, they’ll be kicking themselves for that tender. I mean in Bean's presser he said that if a team offers him Bills have like a week to match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 12 minutes ago, Warcodered said: I mean in Bean's presser he said that if a team offers him Bills have like a week to match. Yeah….but can we afford to match is the questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Yeah….but can we afford to match is the questions If we can't we don't want to anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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