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Naber's won't fall past the top 6, period.

I watched a lot of Coleman this past year (I'm a Clemson alumni but watch a lot of ACC/college games in general), and I know he isn't popular on this board, but I have to say, this is guy that plays faster that he ran in the 40. He's an excellent, NFL ready receiver. He tore Clemson up and Clemson has some legit, NFL corners. He could come in right away and be our starting #2WR and be an upgrade over Gabe Davis day 1. He does not have breakaway speed or burst, but he has football speed and elite route running/body control, and is sure handed. Don't get my wrong, I covet an electric receiver for the Bills prob more than most (I've been screaming for it for the last 2 years, even with Diggs), and still think we need a true #1 with elite athleticism/upside type, but wouldn't be upset if the Bills got Coleman, and you shouldn't be either. He going to be a good NFL receiver. My ideal scenario is that they grab one of Thomas Jr/Worthy/Legette/Franklin/McConkey in round 1, and are able to grab Coleman in round 2.

Other than Allen, we don't have one. Many people have kind of made this point that while we have an above average roster overall at almost every level, with many good players, we don't really have any true elite players, like game wrecker types, other than Allen.

Why is this thread no longer pinned?

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He actually does return kicks/punts (was the primary punt return for a while at Clemson) so can be used for that but his main contribution would be in the slot. We clearly disagree on his value, I''ll leave it at that. Hollins is a complete different position/role, wouldn't affect us signing a veteran slot like Renfrow one way or the other. We are clearly going to draft WRs as well, this much is obvious (and we damn well better draft one in the first and move up if necessary). Doesn't preclude a couple safe vet FAs on minimal deals.

He's better than that, he will have options for sure, but it won't take much if wants to win. Something under $5m per for a contender is possible.

Looks who's throwing him the ball. You say you "watched" them but then you only look at basic stats. To say you "know" that Shakir is a better route runner is laughable. You have to ask what numbers Renfrow could put up in our offense with Josh throwing the ball. And you may not like Renfrow, but to act like he isn't an option is short sighted, he could help us and at the right price would be a great pickup.

Diggs plays all over the field and is a great route runner no doubt, but he's not the best in the NFL, cmon man have some objectivity. Shakir is a good route runner as well (not better than Renfrow, you clearly haven't watched much of him) but I'm talking about adding pure slot receiver, elite route runner, someone who always gets open. We haven't had it since Beasley, it's a nice security blanket for Josh and gives us depth so we aren't banking on just Diggs/Shakir/rookie.

I absolutely want the Bills to take an outside WR in the first (and another soon after), but Shakir is not strictly a slot guy and we don't have anyone with Renfrow's route running ability, not even close. Don't get lazy just comparing height, Shakir and Renfrow are very different receivers.

We actually don't have anyone with Renfrow's skill set.

Edge is done. With Epenesa signing no way we make a play for any significant edge in FA. Will likely draft one and maybe even re-sign Lawson or someone like that on vet min but we are done with anything significant there. We have Miller, Rousseau, Epenesa, Kingsley Johnathan under contract currently (and Cameron Kline but he is probably cut or PS). A veteran at good value for Safety is a must at some point, and then likely a RB and WR and rotational DT as well, but we are done at edge. Edit: Don't get me wrong, would have loved going after Young but signing Epenesa prohibits anything further there. A little surprised we didn't just let him go but will wait to see the contract details before judging fully.

Mods can we get the "Cap Moves so far" thread merged with this thread (or also separately pinned?) There is no running list of transactions on the first page of this one, which is useful to see aside from where the cap is at currently.

Details are out on Trubisky. 2 year, $5.25m, with $2.7m guaranteed. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bills-ex-steelers-qb-mitchell-trubisky-agree-to-two-year-5-25-million-deal-per-report/

Mods can we get this thread pinned (or otherwise merge the first page with the running cap thread)? The cap thread that is pinned doesn't have a running list of transactions.

Wait, why post June 1? Wasn't he due a roster bonus if still on the team next week?

Von will survive, it's too prohibitive to cut him outright this year. Plus there is a chance he rebounds to near 2022 form and we are thin at DE on the roster as is. Tre will likely restructure but if he's unwilling then yeah he's a goner. There is just no way he can be an elite corner again after those back to back major lower body injuries.

I gave you the eyeball roll reaction but this post aged quite nicely for you, apparently Beane agrees with you! Props, I didn't see it coming. Maybe Beane was playing his cards close the vest or Morse wasn't willing to play ball with a restructure. Either way, with the news on McGovern moving to center and Edwards to LG (and of course the cap savings) I'm starting to see the light.

Can we get this thread pinned? Things are going to start moving fast here would be nice to have a concise spot to go to look at all moves. I'm sure many will contribute to keeping it updated.

Although I'm sure Beane is keeping all options open, I have to think this is a little bit of posturing here. He may be trying to gain a little leverage in negotiations with Douglas' agent for a short term extension. Would be shocked if the Bills just cut Douglas outright with what he brought to the table, how good of a fit he is for this defense, and the fact that we traded a legitimate pick for this guy. I mean you saw how resistant Beane was to let go of Hines after we traded only a 6th round pick, can't imagine he just waists that 3rd for 5th swap.

You haven't been readying the posts, I've complimented Beane over and over again just in the last couple pages and said he just missed this Knox one badly. @GunnerBill Lots of disagreement from you on the assertion that the Knox contract was a bad one. Please elaborate on why you think it wasn't a bad contract. I'm genuinely curious as to how you could possibly have that opinion.

Beane should have done exactly what they are doing with Davis (and what they did with Edmunds), not panic and overpay with a year still left on this contract for a guy that still has questions marks and has proven won't be elite. Let them play their final year and walk if they won't take a team friendly deal. Of course, it's never an easy call and Beane has done so well, he just really messed up on the Knox call. I have to think Allen's friendship with Knox loomed large and maybe caused a decision that went against Beane's better judgement.

This is fair and I agree on the personnel. Diggs, explosive rookie WR2, Shakir and Kincaid in traditional 11 personnel should be our base.

They could have waited another year, he wasn't a free agent. They also didn't have to committ top 5 TE money for 4 years! The fact they even took a TE in the first round just a year after signing Knox to that contract shows says a lot.