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I gave you the eyeball roll reaction but this post aged quite nicely for you, apparently Beane agrees with you! Props, I didn't see it coming. Maybe Beane was playing his cards close the vest or Morse wasn't willing to play ball with a restructure. Either way, with the news on McGovern moving to center and Edwards to LG (and of course the cap savings) I'm starting to see the light.

Can we get this thread pinned? Things are going to start moving fast here would be nice to have a concise spot to go to look at all moves. I'm sure many will contribute to keeping it updated.

Although I'm sure Beane is keeping all options open, I have to think this is a little bit of posturing here. He may be trying to gain a little leverage in negotiations with Douglas' agent for a short term extension. Would be shocked if the Bills just cut Douglas outright with what he brought to the table, how good of a fit he is for this defense, and the fact that we traded a legitimate pick for this guy. I mean you saw how resistant Beane was to let go of Hines after we traded only a 6th round pick, can't imagine he just waists that 3rd for 5th swap.

You haven't been readying the posts, I've complimented Beane over and over again just in the last couple pages and said he just missed this Knox one badly. @GunnerBill Lots of disagreement from you on the assertion that the Knox contract was a bad one. Please elaborate on why you think it wasn't a bad contract. I'm genuinely curious as to how you could possibly have that opinion.

Beane should have done exactly what they are doing with Davis (and what they did with Edmunds), not panic and overpay with a year still left on this contract for a guy that still has questions marks and has proven won't be elite. Let them play their final year and walk if they won't take a team friendly deal. Of course, it's never an easy call and Beane has done so well, he just really messed up on the Knox call. I have to think Allen's friendship with Knox loomed large and maybe caused a decision that went against Beane's better judgement.

This is fair and I agree on the personnel. Diggs, explosive rookie WR2, Shakir and Kincaid in traditional 11 personnel should be our base.

They could have waited another year, he wasn't a free agent. They also didn't have to committ top 5 TE money for 4 years! The fact they even took a TE in the first round just a year after signing Knox to that contract shows says a lot.

It was predictable at the time too. He's always had injury/drop issues. Was never going to be an elite TE, should have never been paid as one.

I normally agree with your takes Dawk but this is delusional. You have to look at total cap hit. He's 4th, Taysom Hill was paid as a quarterback/TE, not TE. He's a number two TE for us moving forward, and we spent a first round pick on a TE last year! Wake up. The Bills own FO office knows it was a bad contract.

I edited it, to include Kittle and Andrews. It's true. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/salaries/breakdown/tight-end/ Exactly that's my point! His ceiling was a fairly consistent playmaker if he has enough support around him, why did we pay him elite TE money?! It is a disgusting contract any way you look at it, even getting full leniency for injuries, death of his brother etc. It's awful, awful. GM malpractice really. Beane has been so damn good it's just shocking, that's why I can't get over it. Miller was an elite player and it was risky contract but at least I understand the roll of the dice there.

Injury plagued?! Try being replaced by a rookie that we took in the first round because Knox was a not an impact player to begin with. You are forgetting he didn't live up to the contract last year either, (and never has). He got paid top 5 TE money! Only Kittle, Andrews and Kelce will make more than him this coming season (and like barely more). And he's always had some durability questions marks, that's part of the issue with the contract!

Bringing this thread back to life after some time has passed from the Knox signing. I took a lot of heat for saying it on this board at the time, but it was a terrible contract then and looks even worse now. It needs to be talked about how bad of a miss this was by Beane. He is going to count $14 mil against the cap this year, $20m if we release him... How the heck did Beane let this happen! His touchdown numbers were inflated that season before we re-signed him, there was no good reason to extend him at that time. He's never flashed elite talent. I'm still sick over it.

That sure as heck wasn't Allen's fault! We wouldn't even be a .500 team without him.

Would love this trade for the Bills but no way the Titans would do it. Burks has more value than Elam straight up. If we could get Burks and also draft a WR round 1 though, I would feel a lot better about this offense.

Huh??? Almost all of them are significant. Benard is very significant, particularly without Milano; he's been huge all year and is the playcaller of our defense! Also, Douglas, Benford and Taron Johnson are very important defensive starters in the secondary, if even one or two can't go that's a problem (especially Johnson who is one of our best players). You can hide maybe one bad player but having reserve players over the defense will be exploited by Reid/Mahomes. Not saying we can't win with a great offensive performance and opportunistic defense, but the injuries will certainly be significant.

If he we was doing it to talk **** do you really think he would use "LongTimeBillsFan" as his name? Clearly a think skinned fan base.

I hear you but when two 3rd round picks are involved I'm not going to think twice about it, it's a net positive. Part of the consequences of being a successful franchise, other teams want your personnel. Would you rather us suck and not have anyone looking to hawk our guys?

Who cares man it's front office personnel, not a coach! Let him interview away. And fingers crossed he gets it too, not only good for him and his family but that's is two extra 3rd round picks for the Bills!

But if his injury is that severe then why are the coaches calling multiple screens (and even handoffs) to him that ensure he takes hits? Why not act a decoy on the most critical passing downs and take two defenders deep with you and clear out the underneath for someone else? Not to mention, what are the bills risking draft picks/fines to cover the injury up even after being asked about it by the media and scrutiny now on it? There is more to this than just an injury. Not saying it's some huge conspiracy, but speculating that there could be some discontent that has brewed since the clear display of frustration in the offseason is not crazy, it's an objective question to ask.

I agree with your bottom paragraph completely. This doesn't have to be some huge conspiracy. It could be that the Bills are trying to make sure they can develop ways to win without him (and maybe also he has a nagging injury as well, injury alone doesn't explain it given his odd usage). That is a little bit of a "we need to show we can win without relying on Diggs" though, not saying the Bills are shoving that in his face, but Bills coaches/Allen may be making a conscious effort not to overuse him and give other receivers chances in big situations. Maybe Diggs supports this as well and is trying to protect his body (and emotional investment) long term. Him coming out on crucial third downs (including by design from the Bills staff) is still very odd though, given his competitive nature. Still have yet to hear a great explanation for it.

Exactly. But he's our best skilled player and commands double teams, so either those are either TERRIBLE decisions by the coaches (like legit malpractice) or something else is going on behind the scenes here. Curious, what is my predetermined conclusion? I have stated over and over again, I'm not advocating a wild conspiracy theory, I'm asking why he is being taken out by coaches choice on third downs (this has been confirmed by coaches that it is their personnel decision, not Diggs taking himself out). There is a reason, we just don't know it. The coaches explanations don't add up and an injury doesn't fully explain it.

Agree with this 100%. Only makes it more likely that this is scheming him out on third downs, rather than him tapping out in the most critical situations. No way Diggs competitive as he is is keeping himself out.

Injury wouldn't fully explain it.

It misses the point of the entire post, why is Diggs being schemed off the filed on the most crucial third downs in must win games?

Something is up between Josh/Bills and Stef man, if you foolishly want to believe everything is great, go right ahead. I hope I'm completely wrong by the way, and it's purely an injury thing, but we won't know until the offseason. If Bills win it all, it would fix whatever is going on anyway. Let's hope that happens and this is a non-story.