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Hahha okay buddy

Love how you are cherry picking the stats. 15.1 YPR in the playoffs sure, when you include a couple big plays that enlarge the averages and include sweeps ands screens with run after the catch etc., but are those really "catches"?? Look at Worthy's average depth of target for all of 2024, 9.1 yards which is very low compared to WRs league wide. Keon had 15.2, almost double!!! His targets were a lot harder to catch, were further down the filed by a wide margin. Worthy should have had more avg distance considering he ran plenty of fly/go routes on deep shots, he has no intermediate game and is not a complete receiver. Actually watch the game film my man, and I mean all of his routes, not just the highlights and cherry picked stats. Sure, you have to watch him on the gadget play and respect his speed deep but he's not good enough at the receiver position yet to be on the field full time, even in Reid's offense, maybe he will get there but the odds say no. This has nothing to do with Coleman, who knows where his development will go. https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/xavier-worthy-17687 https://www.rotowire.com/football/player/keon-coleman-17732

I never said I'd rather have Keon or that Keon is better, I was responding to your point that Keon never could have caught 19 balls in the playoffs (sure he could, if he was force fed like Worthy was on a squad with depleted receivers, that was my point, any NFL receiver can do that if force fed). Worthy was definitely better than Keon his rookie year and way more explosive, nobody is hating on him and nobody said they would rather have Keon. My point is he is still more of a gadget guy for Reid to scheme up than a bonafide starting WR. Rice and Holywood Brown will be the leading receivers, I'm sure Worthy will eat up designed screens and sweeps and short passes and have some explosive plays, but he doesn't scare anyone as a pure receiver.

Worthy looks nothing like Desean Jackson. Jackson looked like the best player on the field even early on in his career, Worthy looks like he's being forced the ball a few times a game on designed plays. I will admit he has more in him than JUST a "gadget guy" but he is much closer to a gadget guy than Desean Jackson. Chiefs receiving corp was a mess heading into the playoffs, and Kelce is not nearly what he used to be. Keon easily could have been forced fed 19 receptions. You are forgetting Worthy is getting a few "catches" a game on designed sweep/screens. He didn't catch a lot of balls that weren't designed to him. He's a useful NFL player with blazing speed but I haven't seen anything that tells me he's a WR1/2.

Could not agree more with your overall sentiment (other than the Worthy reference you are off the mark there he has shown nothing but gadget ability and that's with Andy Reid scheming specific plays for him every game). We keep missing on good wide receivers, there are drafts where safe studs are there but we trade up for someone else (see Elam and Kincaid drafts) or we sit back and do nothing like last year when Brian Thomas Jr is sitting there just a couple picks in front of us!! Criminal on Beanes end. If he had Flowers and Thomas Jr. in the same grouping as Coleman and Kincaid that is flat out malpractice. Yes, some contracts have a void year to spread out hit. They report 1 year at $2 mil but really there is void second year so the actual cap hit is $1.3m year 1 and $0.7m the void year after the leave. Pretty sure that was reported with Hamlin's deal, assuming Gilliam was the same.

Yes, this. I just don't see Stef being humble enough to eat crow and apologize, agree he won't throw fits if he doesn't get the ball a lot etc, that just isn't in Stef's nature and I think the Bills would be wary even if he was saying that stuff. The Bills are sorely missing a difference maker at receiver, that much is irrefutable, but Allen also played much more free and forced way less with Diggs out of the picture. We have limited resources to allocate, and we can't take the risk that he causes locker room issues again. Allen is in a good head space and the locker room is in a great place, dont' risk f ing that up.

I agree on the DL theme and it's great that there are more targets as that increases our chances of adding an elite piece, but Landry ain't that. He's a very good player, and even underrated league wide you could argue, but he's not a difference maker, game wrecker type like Garrett or Hendrickson. Let's use all the available DL options to drive the price down on Garrett!

He hasn't quite lived up to the lofty expectations of #1 overall but to call him the "bust of the century" or even a "bust" is crazy. Kirk thrived with Lawrence prior to last year and Engram caught over 100 balls in 2024. Brian Thomas Jr. seemed to do just fine with Lawrence too. Gabe Davis a replacement level player who they overpaid thanks to JA17 making him look good, and are now stuck with for another year. Gabe Davis isn't a part of their long term plans

This puts a little more pressure on Cincy to sign Hendrickson, they may end up locking him up after all. That would leave Crosby and Hendrickson now off the trade market, and reduces some options for the Bills a bit if they were looking to make a big move on the DL. May increase the asking price for Garrett slightly too.

No freaking way you get Higgins for $20million, he's gonna be close to $30 million per. Trading a 4th or 5th for Kupp and renegotiating his contract to get him in the $10mil range for the next two years with maybe $15mil of the 20 total guaranteed would be a huge win for us. Kupp is only guaranteed $5mil this year and none in 2026 so he may be willing to to do something like that for a contender. Even at 32, would be the best WR on our team by far and is a team first guy, it's a no brainer if compensation is minimal and he's willing to play ball on the contact.

Look I don't agree with the OP's take, it wasn't well thought out and you can certainly pick apart his argument. But he does have a point about this board being overly sensitive to any criticism, especially pertaining to McDermott. It was a similar thing with Diggs too, anyone who dare suggested something was seriously wrong last year and that his time was over was made out to be deranged... Let's just say that didn't age well for most on this board. Be willing to put aside your homerism for a second and embrace a critical eye, we are all Bills fans here.

Praying we will discover that Joe Brady has some minority ancestry somewhere in his lineage! If he goes, our next OC hire has to be a minority. If our OCs are going to keep getting plucked, might as well get compensated for it. There are plenty of qualified minorities.

I hear you to an extent, and I was adamantly against brining Klein/John Brown back. BUT Hyde is a different case. He still looked good last year. Other NFL teams would have been interested in signing him, but he made it clear that he would only re-sign with the bills if he came out of retirement. His body/neck needed a break but he should be fresh now. Once he works off the rust, he will be an upgrade over Hamlin and start alongside Rapp for the playoffs. Hamlin is not a starting caliber player, period, and is hurting our pass coverage. Cole Bishop appears to need more time to acclimate in this defense (I'm hoping similar to Benard his rookie year). Hyde, once up to speed, should provide a safe reliable upgrade at starting safety the rest of the way.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/story/_/id/42484947/nfl-week-12-buzz-news-updates-fantasy-tips-predictions-questions It's behind a pay wall but in brief Jeremy Fowler suggests Terrance Gray would be one of a few names on the shortlist for the Jets GM job. If that were to happen, Bills would get two extra 3rd round picks, so keep your fingers crossed!

Haha agreed. It would be amazing to see if it could be relied upon but unfortunately there is no way to accurately measure this type of thing, too many variables in respect to individual separation on a given route and subjectivity in terms of measuring that. Nothing illustrates how much this can't be trusted better than qbs on the same team playing with the same receivers yet have wildly different average separation.

We aren't trading for a DE . It's not a need. We are actually quite deep there. It's a useless exercise/topic.

Myles Garrett, Max Crosby, Dexter Lawrence ??? C'mon guys this is getting outlandish. All of those players (assuming their team would even entertain trading them) would require multiple first round picks, plus more. Not to mention the massive salary we'd be taking on. There is almost no chance any of them are traded, and zero chance they go to the Bills this season.

The OP was joking right? I assumed it was satire.

The way we are playing right now, I understand why people would say no, but the first game we lose where Allen has trouble without a "go to" receiver target on third/goal line downs, we will miss not having a guy like Hopkins. Shakir has been great but he's not a traditional outside receiver and will be on the field with or without Hopkins. Coleman isn't there yet to the point of being dependable, and Mack and MVS are never going to be more than role players. Samuels is a completely different type of gadget receiver. There will come a point I the season where we could really use someone line Hopkins on the outside honestly. Of course, I wouldn't give up a lot for him but if the titans were willing to dump him relatively cheaply and eat some of the cap, I'd be interested. Hopkins beats to his own drum for sure but is certainly not the type of selfish distraction of a person that Diggs proved to be. I'd be fine with a one year cheap flier while Coleman is still developing. We only have so many years with Allen, gotta maximize the opportunities!

No, you're not the only one who noticed, just the only one is overly bothered by it. It's the NFL, they have been putting multiple games on Monday nights early in the season for years now. Who cares. If its good for the league its indirectly good for the Bills and us. Calling it "insane" is childish. Let's focus on football and less on the business of the NFL, which its always going to try and grow. Why this shocks anyone is beyond me.

The NFL has been doing this every year lately early on in the season.

Do we still not know the numbers?

Agreed. I'm very concerned, not quite Knox level vibes but still concerning. We can't keep throwing out $10m+ contracts at above average players. My concern with Brown is more about his back than his performance last year being a blip. Knox had a clear inflated touchdown total the year before he signed, and was zero threat to hold out or walk, there was no reason to sign him at the zenith of his leverage when we did. Brown signing makes a little more sense given if he has another good year this year the price would go up astronomically, and there was actually a chance of that, unlike Knox who was virtually guaranteed to regress statistically if you watched his fluky scores the year before, and had injury concerns of his own. I'm still upset about the Knox deal, even talking about it now gets my blood boiling. It was so objectively bad even at the time for anyone that actually watches every play of the Bills games, and looks worse now after drafting Kincaid etc. I insist to this day that there is no way Beane misjudged that poorly, he had to have felt pressure from Allen to sign his boy. Regardless, will wait to see the numbers on Brown before judging too hard but definitely not super excited. It does provide some stability at tackle I guess with Dawkins being kind of inconsistent (and expensive).

Can we get the first page update to include the full, current list? Kind of defeats the purpose of pinning this thread otherwise.