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Ken Dorsey - would he choose OC here or leave to be Daboll's OC?


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It's clear everyone expects Daboll to get a HC job this year, including Josh who's publicly stated he expects Daboll to go. It's also widely believed that Josh wants Dorsey as OC, and McD said Josh's input is important to him.

 

What do you think Dorsey would do given both options, to stay and OC a proven star on a SB caliber team in Josh/Bills, or does he take OC is NY (or wherever) with Daboll and potentially Trubisky?

 

Does he stay or does he go?

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I don't know much about Dorsey personally, but staying in Buffalo objectively seems like the much better choice.  You have a winning team with strong offensive personnel and a HOF-caliber QB already in place.  The Giants (or Bears, or wherever Daboll might end up) could turn out to be total s*&t show ending up with everyone getting fired.  Doing a good job with the Bills (which would almost seem inevitable) would lead to HC opportunities in the future.

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I don’t know why he’d leave to go to the NYG if he was offered the OC job here. 
 

He’d definitely be the one calling plays here, and he’d get to work with one of the top 3-5 QBs in the NFL (I’d put Josh top 2 after his playoff performance this season) who he already has a great relationship with. QBs like Allen make OCs careers.

 

If he was offered the OC job in Buffalo and chose the NYG anyway, I’d be pretty concerned as to why.

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7 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

My gut says he’d rather stay with a quarterback who would make him look good (Allen), rather than a reclamation project in Jones or some rookie. Then again, he may be eager to make his own mark by developing a quarterback of his own. 

I guess you could say filling in as Bills oc could be the best or worst job to take. 

On one hand you have Josh allen and diggs to call plays to. On the other hand anything less than afc championship game will be a let down, not much of a learning curve for a new oc.

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Professionally it would be silly. Why would you want your first stop as an OC to be at an org tied to an arrow pointing downward like NYG? The real question becomes, what if some of the Chicago rumors are true re: Dungy and Frazier. If they make that hire before Daboll to NYG or MIA, then I think in that situation you run the risk of losing both. 

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Daboll and Dorsey had no relation prior to the Bills. 

 

He has a prior relationship with McDermott.

 

He has an established QB in Buffalo that's likely a ticket to his own HC job. 

 

 

So does anyone know something that would indicate it's more likely he leaves with Daboll? 

 

This sounds like hysteria. 

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“Every quarterback would love to be a part of the process.  There’s a guy in this building that I’m a huge advocate for.  Again, it’s not my job. It’s not my decision to make.” - Josh Allen

 

My hunch is if Daboll leaves Dorsey will be the new OC - just a hunch.

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I know his alma mater The U reportedly has a salary of over $1.5M per year on the table in search for their next OC.   Daboll was one of the highest paid OC's in the league in Buffalo at I believe around $2M.    So I think Dorsey might have a decision to make between college and the NFL as well.

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Dorsey was a McBeane guy from Carolina. I have to imagine his loyalty lies with the Bills staff, and more importantly, Allen.

 

Any team hiring a new coach this year sucks.

 

Why go to a bad situation when you can stay here, likely win a Super Bowl in a couple years, and be on a fast track to a HC spot?

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1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I know his alma mater The U reportedly has a salary of over $1.5M per year on the table in search for their next OC.   Daboll was one of the highest paid OC's in the league in Buffalo at I believe around $2M.    So I think Dorsey might have a decision to make between college and the NFL as well.

His best chance being successful would be staying with Josh I would think, but never know what's on a persons mind

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37 minutes ago, msw2112 said:

I don't know much about Dorsey personally, but staying in Buffalo objectively seems like the much better choice.  You have a winning team with strong offensive personnel and a HOF-caliber QB already in place.  The Giants (or Bears, or wherever Daboll might end up) could turn out to be total s*&t show ending up with everyone getting fired.  Doing a good job with the Bills (which would almost seem inevitable) would lead to HC opportunities in the future.

Dabol could easily end up in Miami, Dabol had Tua in college.  I never thought much of Tua but I have to giv him credit for edning the season like a real NFL QB.  Maybe Dorsey think he can develop Tua into the "tank for Tua" non-sense so many were babbling about a few years ago.  And Miami is projected to have the most cap space.  

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8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

I know his alma mater The U reportedly has a salary of over $1.5M per year on the table in search for their next OC.   Daboll was one of the highest paid OC's in the league in Buffalo at I believe around $2M.    So I think Dorsey might have a decision to make between college and the NFL as well.

 

 

Reports had Daboll at $1.2 million last season.  Callahan 237k, Canada made 650k, AVP 917k, Mc Daniels 4 million, Shurmer $6 million, LaFleur $10.6 million....

 

Venables at Clemson $2.5 million, Elliot at Clemson $2.13 million, Elko Texas A&M $2.1, Grantham Florida $1.8....

 

Note those and the other highest paid OCs in college are at state schools 

 

Additionally, UM was considering him for Head Coach - which is now Cristobal who got a 10 year $80 million deal that upset the school staff because they had to take pay cuts.   If they offer him over $1.5 million as a first year coordinator the staff will flip!

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1 hour ago, Heavy Kevi said:

It's clear everyone expects Daboll to get a HC job this year, including Josh who's publicly stated he expects Daboll to go. It's also widely believed that Josh wants Dorsey as OC, and McD said Josh's input is important to him.

 

What do you think Dorsey would do given both options, to stay and OC a proven star on a SB caliber team in Josh/Bills, or does he take OC is NY (or wherever) with Daboll and potentially Trubisky?

 

Does he stay or does he go?

He gets Josh Allen or Daniel Jones you wanna tell me which player gets you a head coaching job and which gets you fired? 

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1 hour ago, Mat68 said:

Why not the Hall the wr coach?   McVay, Shannahan, Lafluer all started at wr coach.

Being a position coach, and being someone to design an offense, and more importantly be a great play caller, are worlds apart.  Maybe Hall has it in him, but your reasons for him being considered as OC leave a lot to be desired.

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12 minutes ago, BTB said:

Being a position coach, and being someone to design an offense, and more importantly be a great play caller, are worlds apart.  Maybe Hall has it in him, but your reasons for him being considered as OC leave a lot to be desired.

None of us know that answer.  Im not saying because those coaches are good he will be too.  In the offensive room more than the qb coach could be the answer at OC is all.  Best offensive mind should be the guy.  

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Josh needed Daboll to help him with the training wheels and getting up to speed in the NFL.  Now that JA is all grown up and knows how to makes plays, read NFL defenses and harnessed his own potential..i think he will thrive with a new OC.  Whether that's Dorsey or not, who knows.   

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6 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

And Fitzmagic to backup QB? Obviously he loves it here and there’s worse you could do than Fitz. Draft a late QBs on a flyer too

 

I love Fitz, and lead the bandwagon to get him into the HoF. But I don't want him anywhere near Josh with his backup curse. He can sign a 1-day contract to retire as a Bill, but that's it.

 

For backup QB, I'd follow the Trubisky model. Keep finding those 1st round picks that were mishandled by the team that drafted them, and bring them in for 1 year.

 

Next year is Darnold (who is good friends with Josh), year after maybe Daniel Jones, year after that Trey Lance, etc...

 

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