Trade deadline buzz

[Ethan in Cleveland]

8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Sneaky need: KR/PR

I think they are just waiting for right time to bring Stevenson off IR

[ColoradoBills]

5 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I think they are just waiting for right time to bring Stevenson off IR

 

Agree.  If someone is headed to the IR for any real length of time they will bring him back if position wise it makes sense.

If not the only move I see Beane making before the trade deadline is to maybe open up a spot to bring him back.

Other than that I say the "song remains the same".

[billsfan89]

6 hours ago, Nitro said:

No in season trades.  The defense is working well so not the time to upset that.

 

The only trades I can see happening are if there is an injury and the team wants to replace a key player. That's nice insurance to have in the coming few weeks. But I just don't see the Bills unloading talent when they have a roster that is a well oiled machine and runs on depth. I also don't see them going over the top to add talent (when there isn't an injury need) given that they are strapped for cap space and don't really have that one glaring need. 

 

The only trade I could maybe see that isn't injury related is if they want some depth at corner. But they seem to like Jackson and Neal so I am not sure if they feel they need to upgrade there. As I have said if there is an injury and they want some depth they might make a small end trade. But they just don't have any glaring need or one key piece missing or even a need for depth at the moment. First time as a fan I can say that, feels good.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I could see a corner or even an rb if we wanted an upgrade to brieda

 

Maybe everyones favorite tight end ertz as well just to put us way over the top offensively

[JohnNord]

21 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I can't see them making many moves.

Phillips for a 7th round pick - conditional 6th if he hits playing time

I would still give a 4th for Ertz.  Gilliam offers almost nothing in two TE sets.  

Maybe try to bring in another veteran corner

I’m all for bringing in anyone to help boost our chances in the postseason.  I think the ship has already sailed on Ertz though.  He would play the same role as Knox without the downfield speed (for a TE) and doesn’t offer much in blocking.  Using Ertz as a 2nd TE would also take one of our productive WR off the field.  I guess he could spell Knox but Dawson’s already playing a lot of snaps.  
 

So for the amount of usage that he’ll see as Knox’s replacement, I don’t think I’d give Philly a 4th

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I can't see them making many moves.

Phillips for a 7th round pick - conditional 6th if he hits playing time

I would still give a 4th for Ertz.  Gilliam offers almost nothing in two TE sets.  

Maybe try to bring in another veteran corner

 

Blocking?  He can also flex out to the backfield if they are under center.  I'd argue flexibility is one thing he offers, and his blocking is another.

 

[ColoradoBills]

3 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Blocking?  He can also flex out to the backfield if they are under center.  I'd argue flexibility is one thing he offers, and his blocking is another.

 

 

He also has been on the field for 89% of special teams snaps.  He ain't going anywhere.

[Poleshifter]

18 hours ago, FireChans said:

Do you want to trade for Cyrus Kouandijo?

This made me curious as to Cyrus' whereabouts these days.

 

https://3downnation.com/2021/07/19/former-nfl-ol-potential-riders-starter-cyrus-kouandjio-decides-to-retire/

 

Former NFL offensive tackle Cyrus Kouandjio has elected to retire, head coach Craig Dickenson revealed in his media availability on Monday.

 

Dickenson said the team tried to convince Kouandjio to play this season, but he’s suffering from knee pain. The six-foot-seven, 322-pound blocker is unwilling to continue playing through the pain to pursue professional football.
 

[ganesh]

On 10/13/2021 at 7:09 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

I would package Ed Oliver and AJ Epenesa a high round pick for Aaron Donald.  It'll never happen but just letting you guys know that I would do it.

Those who disagree are crazy!

Haha,..that would be truly awesome and put us on the doorsteps to SB victory

4 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

I could see a corner or even an rb if we wanted an upgrade to brieda

 

Maybe everyones favorite tight end ertz as well just to put us way over the top offensively

why would we care about upgrading Brieda when we haven't even put him on the field.  I think the Bills are saving him for the 2nd half of the season.  His speed kills. 

[John from Riverside]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I can't see them making many moves.

Phillips for a 7th round pick - conditional 6th if he hits playing time

I would still give a 4th for Ertz.  Gilliam offers almost nothing in two TE sets.  

Maybe try to bring in another veteran corner

At this point I don’t wanna do anything that’s going to slow down Dawson’s production hertz would do that no thank you on that

[Saint Doug]

4 hours ago, Poleshifter said:

This made me curious as to Cyrus' whereabouts these days.

 

https://3downnation.com/2021/07/19/former-nfl-ol-potential-riders-starter-cyrus-kouandjio-decides-to-retire/

 

Former NFL offensive tackle Cyrus Kouandjio has elected to retire, head coach Craig Dickenson revealed in his media availability on Monday.

 

Dickenson said the team tried to convince Kouandjio to play this season, but he’s suffering from knee pain. The six-foot-seven, 322-pound blocker is unwilling to continue playing through the pain to pursue professional football.
 

Must suck. This guy has been suffering from knee pain ever since he entered the league. 

[Solomon Grundy]

Any interest in Tre Flowers? 6’3” 200lb. Seattle letting him walk.*** Nvm, nephew of Erik Flowers(former Bills draft pick) 

Edited October 14, 2021 by Solomon Grundy

[maryland-bills-fan]

13 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The only trades I can see happening are if there is an injury and the team wants to replace a key player. That's nice insurance to have in the coming few weeks. But I just don't see the Bills unloading talent when they have a roster that is a well oiled machine and runs on depth. I also don't see them going over the top to add talent (when there isn't an injury need) given that they are strapped for cap space and don't really have that one glaring need. 

 

The only trade I could maybe see that isn't injury related is if they want some depth at corner. But they seem to like Jackson and Neal so I am not sure if they feel they need to upgrade there. As I have said if there is an injury and they want some depth they might make a small end trade. But they just don't have any glaring need or one key piece missing or even a need for depth at the moment. First time as a fan I can say that, feels good.

I could see taking a good CB off a practice squad and stashing him to educate up to play next year.  That is a way to continued success- Let other teams sift through the lower drafted players and cheery pick future contriubuters

[Buffalo Junction]

13 hours ago, dneveu said:

 

Blocking?  He can also flex out to the backfield if they are under center.  I'd argue flexibility is one thing he offers, and his blocking is another.

 

Folks need to stop viewing Gilliam as a TE. The guy is a 6 foot flat, 245 pound FB/H-back that can be moved around to create a numbers advantage in the running/screen game. He’s here to block and play special teams, not catch passes. Now, I’m sure he’ll have a few pass catching opportunities on big downs in his career, but it’ll be a surprise to everyone just like it was when Daboll would draw up a play for Lee Smith. 

[george c]

IMO, 

We’ve traded, swapped, drafted, signed FAs, everything for the past few years to build towards this moment. There is no point in trading players for a 6th, 7th, or even 5th.. 

It’ll have to be a REAL good return to risk our depth that McBeane has assembled. 

[GunnerBill]

I wouldn't trade a bag of mouldy tomatoes for Ertz at this point. We have our #1 Tight End. Your #2 tight end when you are only carrying two better be able to block. Ertz is an awful blocker.

[DefenseWins]

1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I wouldn't trade a bag of mouldy tomatoes for Ertz at this point. We have our #1 Tight End. Your #2 tight end when you are only carrying two better be able to block. Ertz is an awful blocker.

I was gonna say much the same about Ertz. Knox has shown me enough at this point that Ertz is no real improvement. Barring injuries I'd stand pat at this point. 

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Folks need to stop viewing Gilliam as a TE. The guy is a 6 foot flat, 245 pound FB/H-back that can be moved around to create a numbers advantage in the running/screen game. He’s here to block and play special teams, not catch passes. Now, I’m sure he’ll have a few pass catching opportunities on big downs in his career, but it’ll be a surprise to everyone just like it was when Daboll would draw up a play for Lee Smith. 

Gilliam is a freak athlete that creates mismatch’s too.  I’d bet Gillian makes a few good plays for us this year.  But he’s here for special teams and blocking

 

Gilliam is 6’1 255 and ran a 4.62

 

 

Gilliam could be a lock for the 53-man roster One of the bigger surprises of the 2021 Bills preseason has been the usage and play of fullback Reggie Gilliam. The second-year player out of Toledo was incredibly effective on Saturday, with eight rushes for 24 yards and two touchdowns. While Gilliam has officially shifted to fullback this year, he has the flexibility to make an impact at tight end and on special teams. This flexibility makes him an intriguing option for the 53-man roster. Gilliam remains a fun “one to watch” as part of a loaded Bills offense this preseason.

Edited October 14, 2021 by Pete

[Pete]

Vernon Butler and Horrible Harry are the only players I’d think Beane would trade now 

[Orlando Tim]

I simply do not see anyone who is likely to come in and help us this year that is likely to be available or whose cost will not hinder us in the future. But I am always looking at DBs who fit our mold for our dime package 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, DefenseWins said:

I was gonna say much the same about Ertz. Knox has shown me enough at this point that Ertz is no real improvement. Barring injuries I'd stand pat at this point. 

 

Ertz is a downgrade on Knox at this point. Ertz isn't even the best tight end on the Eagles. 

8 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

I simply do not see anyone who is likely to come in and help us this year that is likely to be available or whose cost will not hinder us in the future. But I am always looking at DBs who fit our mold for our dime package 

 

DB is the only spot IMO. I am still worried about our depth outside. Is there a good corner on a bad team who might be available.... I struggle to think of one off the top of my head. 

[YoungBillsFan25]

2020 3rd round pick Cam Dantzler seems to have fallen back on the Vikings depth chart. Long CB who’s about 6’2 and was good coming out of Mississippi state

[The Jokeman]

On 10/12/2021 at 9:45 PM, Royale with Cheese said:

 

This defense is an elite pass rusher away from being incredible.

 

I think Zimmer easily fills in Oliver's shoes.  

 

I think Boogie and Rosseau are good young ends.  

 

AJ is a young talent but I'm willing to give that up at a deep position to separate us even more with an elite end like Jones.

Have you forgotten about something called the salary cap?

[Rico]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

Vernon Butler and Horrible Harry are the only players I’d think Beane would trade now 

Both UFA’s next year, both extremely unlikely to return.

[The Jokeman]

4 minutes ago, YoungBillsFan25 said:

2020 3rd round pick Cam Dantzler seems to have fallen back on the Vikings depth chart. Long CB who’s about 6’2 and was good coming out of Mississippi state

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cameron-dantzler/32004441-4e76-4982-6dbf-ebb6876de452

but is a high-risk tackler in run support and needs to do a better job of wrapping and finishing. That isn't a good thing in a heavy zone scheme

[Royale with Cheese]

17 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

Have you forgotten about something called the salary cap?

 

I haven't.  Does it go well with peanut butter?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I wouldn't trade a bag of mouldy tomatoes for Ertz at this point. We have our #1 Tight End. Your #2 tight end when you are only carrying two better be able to block. Ertz is an awful blocker.

But he has unparalleled name recognition.  Beane should float an offer of all TBD-TSW members wanting Ertz to Philly in return for Utz.

[YoungBillsFan25]

15 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cameron-dantzler/32004441-4e76-4982-6dbf-ebb6876de452

but is a high-risk tackler in run support and needs to do a better job of wrapping and finishing. That isn't a good thing in a heavy zone scheme

Come to Buffalo to be the best version of yourself. Pretty sure Levi Wallace had tackling issues coming out but he’s played pretty well.

[GunnerBill]

21 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

 

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cameron-dantzler/32004441-4e76-4982-6dbf-ebb6876de452

but is a high-risk tackler in run support and needs to do a better job of wrapping and finishing. That isn't a good thing in a heavy zone scheme

 

Yea I didn't like Cam as a scheme fit coming out. Haven't changed my mind. 

[hjnick]

On 10/12/2021 at 9:14 PM, Pabstblueribbon said:

I wonder if McBean has gotten any calls about Mitch? Russell Wilson and Daniel Jones both went down this weekend, on top of the already depleted qb situation across the league. 

It would have to be a pretty high draft pick IMO.  Mitch has looked pretty good in Dabolls’ O.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

On 10/13/2021 at 9:37 AM, Solomon Grundy said:

I agree with this, but wouldn’t a rental player like Joe Haden put the Bills over the top? Not saying that it would happen, but I’ll never underestimate Brandon Beane.

The Steelers just lost Smith-Schuster, they might be in the market for a wr. Maybe Beasley for Haden?

[appoo]

At least the rise of Dawson Knox means we can ignore Zack Ertz.

 

if the Bills make a move I’d be curious about an upgrade to CB2 and Feliciano. 
 

Feliciano is probably in his last year here
 

 

[FieldGeneral]

We aren't in desperate need for any position. Do not trade away one of our strengths. The only way would be an over the top offer. 

[Rubes]

56 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I haven't.  Does it go well with peanut butter?

 

Only if you mix them at the right percentage.

 

[Coffeesforclosers]

57 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

But he has unparalleled name recognition.  Beane should float an offer of all TBD-TSW members wanting Ertz to Philly in return for Utz.

 

A truckload of Utz hot chips. Damn those are good.

[BigBuff423]

14 minutes ago, appoo said:

At least the rise of Dawson Knox means we can ignore Zack Ertz.

 

if the Bills make a move I’d be curious about an upgrade to CB2 and Feliciano. 
 

Feliciano is probably in his last year here
 

 

 

Regarding Feliciano, I'm not so sure...he has a dead cap hit of $1.5, and given his full salary is $5.25 and has been a starter for going on three years now, I think the Bills see his value as depth at the very least for another year. His last year dead cap is $750k and that make sense after a couple of their young guys get some maturity and development, but I can't see them simply cutting him IMO, given what he brings to the Offensive Line.

[aristocrat]

Rb might be the only spot I’d look at. Devin is nice but lays that ball down too much. 

[ndirish1978]

How does anyone come in at this stage and help the team this year? No training camp, no knowledge of the playbook. I don't get mid-season trades unless you're picking up a young player for the future.

[Logic]

The Bills have not made any roster changes this season, to the best of my knowledge.

No swapping practice squad players in and out, no calling up players one week and demoting them the next....nothing.

 

This tells me they are quite happy with their roster.

Given that they are number 1 in scoring defense, number 1 in scoring offense, number 1 in takeaways, and number 1 in point differential....I don't see any reason why they should change a single thing.

[BillsShredder83]

On 10/12/2021 at 9:36 PM, Doc said:

 

I'd only trade a DE for a good CB.  Obada's been inactive every game and could be put into active duty.

I sworeeee i read or saw a video on Cover 1, that obada played last week, cause I remember being surprised.

Can anyone verify?