McShay- Bills trying to move up above 23 for Etienne

[SCBills]

2 hours ago, appoo said:

 

Not at all. You don't draft a RB in the rd thinking he's gonna be pro-bowl back - you do it because you think that RB is gonna be a good complement to the game plan, rather than a focal point.

 

Moss and Singletary - with better blocking - would have perfectly fulfilled that role.

 

You draft a RB in the 1st round because you view that guy as someone who's going to be one of your top 2 weapons to use in your game plan.

 

That's why drafting ETN is legit. The Bills, for all their fireworks, don't have a great #2 weapon right now. Emmanuel Sanders is a risk because of age, while Gabe Davis is a risk because you're not sure what you'll get with him in year 2, while neither RB - as noted above - is there to be a real weapon.

 

I'm not sure about trading up to get a RB as a position in general, but I do agree with trading up to grab a legit weapon. Whether that be ETN (because of his ability to change the game as a pass catcher) or that kid from Florida or perhaps even Rashod Bateman.

 

You could also see a corner if you see Farley or Newsom sitting there. Not gonna trade up for these edge defenders

Fantastic point.  We have a stud QB, good OL, an elite WR1 and then some really good complimentary WR’s in Beasley, Davis and Sanders.... Etienne immediately becomes that secondary weapon ... and he’s a weapon in the run and passing game.  

[Reed83HOF]

4 minutes ago, CaptnCoke11 said:

People:  don’t believe anything you hear this time of year

 

same people:  omg McShay said we trading up for a running back what a bad move i can’t believe Beane

McShay is the worst ever btw 

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:

McShay is the worst ever btw 

I agree that McShay is unreliable. His word is worth nothing to me.

Benjamin Allbright, on the other hand, has proven to be right about Bills draft preferences for several years running now. 

He has stuck to his "RB in the 1st" guns this year the same way he stuck to his "the Bills love Allen, he's their guy" guns for months back in 2018. Bills fans talk a bunch of crap to him because they don't want it to be true (just like when he knew they liked Allen), but he doesn't change his tune. 

He could be wrong about where the Bills are looking in the 1st round, but as he pointed out, it would be the first time in a while.

I'm not exactly sure why it's so hard for many fans to believe that the Bills wouldn't trade up for a home run hitting running back like Etienne when their GM has said the following things this offseason: "we'd take a guy if he had something that our current RBs don't offer" and "our current RB room lacks that home run hitter", and when said GM tried to trade up for a running back just last year (Moss), and when said GM has a history of trading up for guys he covets. It's no slam dunk lock that it's going to happen, but the "ZERO CHANCE!!!!" people make me chuckle.

[BobbyC81]

I look at Etienne as a CJ Spiller-type and not because he also went to Clemson.  In the NFL, he’s likely going to be that scatback that Buddy Nix envisioned for Spiller.  Spiller was a bad pick then because of the state of the team.  He should’ve been used liked Darren Sproles, with 50-60 receptions at least.  His high with the Bills was 43.

 

This Bills team is in a better position to make a pick of Etienne, but at 30, not trading other draft capital to move up for him.

 

I love what Brandon Beane has done overall but it seems he gets too emotional about some players, resulting in trade-ups. The videos of the draft room from 2 years ago are a perfect example.  He couldn’t be patient to see if Cody Ford would still be there for their pick so he had to trade up to get him.  Then he did the same thing with Knox in the 4th round.  He also seemed to be enamored with film clips of Devin Singletary, stating he was amazed at some of his moves.

 

Well, it’s been only 2 years but I’d.say all 3 of those players have not yet met expectations.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

IF and this is a big if this were to happen, then I also think on Friday you'll hear that the Bills traded Singletary for a draft pick, maybe another 5th?

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said:

I’m not nitpicking here, and I agree with your basic premise, but Kamara was a 3rd Round pick. 

Wow thanks. I had in my head he was a mid-late first. My bad.

 

I guess he's played like a one after all.

[Doc Brown]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We don't want the Bills to draft Etienne but what will we be saying if the Pats, Fins or Jets get him?

One more quality player at another position would slide down the draft board.

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

One more quality player at another position would slide down the draft board.

 

Someone who can tackle Etienne hopefully.

[wagne591]

4 minutes ago, ColeB said:

I look at Etienne as a CJ Spiller-type and not because he also went to Clemson.  In the NFL, he’s likely going to be that scatback that Buddy Nix envisioned for Spiller.  Spiller was a bad pick then because of the state of the team.  He should’ve been used liked Darren Sproles, with 50-60 receptions at least.  His high with the Bills was 43.

 

This Bills team is in a better position to make a pick of Etienne, but at 30, not trading other draft capital to move up for him.

 

I love what Brandon Beane has done overall but it seems he gets too emotional about some players, resulting in trade-ups. The videos of the draft room from 2 years ago are a perfect example.  He couldn’t be patient to see if Cody Ford would still be there for their pick so he had to trade up to get him.  Then he did the same thing with Knox in the 4th round.  He also seemed to be enamored with film clips of Devin Singletary, stating he was amazed at some of his moves.

 

Well, it’s been only 2 years but I’d.say all 3 of those players have not yet met expectations.

Cody Ford only played one year and last year he wasn't bad a guard then he got hurt. He has moved all over the line trying to find his spot. Its hard enough for a rookie in the NFL to learn one position not 3. I can see him settling in at guard this year and concentrating on one position and really helping. As for Knox he was a High School QB and recruited to Ole Miss as a QB and converted to TE during college. Not an easy task. Plus I think this is the year he will shine. If you look most receivers don't break out until year 3 in the NFL....I said most. So as a receiving TE he will improve as an overall TE maybe another year or so. I just want the receiving part to come alive. And Singletary is nothing special. He was a great surprise his first year in the league but now teams know who he is and aren't scared. He is who he is. So I would give the first two a break. 

[Rochesterfan]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We don't want the Bills to draft Etienne but what will we be saying if the Pats, Fins or Jets get him?

 

If they do it with their 1st rd pick or move up - I will laugh and laugh at their wasted picks.

 

Just as if we move up - I would be ticked.  No value at all to that position.

[dave mcbride]

18 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lol....if they don’t want Allen taking all the hits, then why did they waste two 3rd rounders on the position the past two years? 
 

Maybe a smoke screen for offensive lineman, because that’s where a lot of the issues remained last season with the run game. 

Moss is better than I suspect you think he is. He player well late last season, averaging 4.85 ypc in the final 6 games and passing the eyeball test to boot. Hardly a "waste."

[Mike in Horseheads]

Just trade Singletary that should move them right up the board if you believe some here.

[SCBills]

34 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

If they do it with their 1st rd pick or move up - I will laugh and laugh at their wasted picks.

 

Just as if we move up - I would be ticked.  No value at all to that position.

If Etienne is Alvin Kamara, he’s worth it.   If he’s simply an upgrade at RB, no thanks. 

[Milanos Milano]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If Etienne is Alvin Kamara, he’s worth it.   If he’s simply an upgrade at RB, no thanks. 

I think he is Kamara ish and is worth the pick. 

[ganesh]

6 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I trust Beane on this.  My gut says they need a dynamic playmaker more than anything, and because of the rest of the offseason moves have the room for a bit of a luxury pick.  I like Moss & Singletary but neither of them are game breakers, and neither one is keeping DCs up at night.  Etienne & Harris are. 

The play maker could be one of those top WRs too

[Putin]

1 hour ago, BillsCuse said:

Nothing like draft week where every "rumor" you hear in complete nonsense.  All I got from this is that we are definitely not trading up for Etienne!

Would we even take him if he was on the board at 30 ?

[RyanC883]

6 hours ago, dorquemada said:

I trust Beane on this.  My gut says they need a dynamic playmaker more than anything, and because of the rest of the offseason moves have the room for a bit of a luxury pick.  I like Moss & Singletary but neither of them are game breakers, and neither one is keeping DCs up at night.  Etienne & Harris are. 

 

I think Harris and Williams are the top 2 RB’s in the draft.  I think one is there at 30 so I don’t get trading up for a RB.  DE, which is thin beyond the top 2 makes the most logic.  

54 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Lol....if they don’t want Allen taking all the hits, then why did they waste two 3rd rounders on the position the past two years? 
 

Maybe a smoke screen for offensive lineman, because that’s where a lot of the issues remained last season with the run game. 

 

thats why Etitene makes no sense.  Not as good a pass catcher or blocker as Harris or Williams, IMO. 

[Process]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We don't want the Bills to draft Etienne but what will we be saying if the Pats, Fins or Jets get him?

"YESSSS!!!!"

[HappyDays]

3 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

What a waste of a first round pick this would be... if you want to add another playmaker on offense, go WR not a RB. 

 

Crossing my fingers this isn't true. 

 

Any WR they add in round 1 would almost certainly end the year with less touches and yards than Etienne would have. Why are we so stuck on the fact that he's an RB? If he is a weapon in the run and pass game why does it really matter?

[Turbo44]

Thinking smokescreen??

[Governor]

I think Harris gives us more game plan flexibility week by week. Not crazy about ETN.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

I was looking at Etienne upfront when I first started looking at the draft. Once we got through FA and looked at player rankings, holes on the team, some tape I came back to CB and edge being bigger needs...

 

Right now, at this exact moment, all I can think of is Singletary dropping that wide open pass...

It was very Harmon-esque.  The moment each play happened.....each game ended. Makes me ill.  I really want to be happy with Motor...I just can’t be.  

[BADOLBILZ]

37 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Just trade Singletary that should move them right up the board if you believe some here.

 

 

How much would a slightly less used first rounder Clyde Edwards Helaire yield in trade?   A pick about where Moss was selected in round 3 maybe?   Nah, with one year expired on his relative high priced rookie salary probably not even that.

 

 RB's lose a ton of value the minute you drive them off the lot.......even if they play well.   Christian McCaffrey is a superstar and his value + 3 more future #1's might get you back up to the spot where he was drafted. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Rewind to 2018 when news came out about the Bills trying to trade up for Josh Allen and not Darnold or Rosen. Fans were losing their minds. 

 

Travis Etienne would be a fantastic pick. Hopefully the Bills don't give up too much. 

[MJS]

McShay is a moron. Plain and simple. I don't trust a thing he says.

[Victory Formation]

If he’s so good, why is his highlight video on YouTube only 3 minutes long?

[4merper4mer]

Generally speaking some people need to understand that things are spoken in general terms.  Generally speaking RBs aren’t worth a first round pick.  
 

Never say never.....or always.  
 

I have no idea whether Etienne is worth pick 30.....or even trading up.  What I do know is that if he is a great pick at 33, he is not magically a horrible pick at 30.   If he turns into Walter Payton, he’d be a great pick at 1. 
 

I’m pretty confident Beane didn’t confide his plans to McShay, but it’s not impossible that the blind squirrel found a nut.

 

I think that the Bills are in an interesting position.  There are a few players that I’d love to see drop.  There aren’t many I’d love to trade up for, unless the price is somehow cheap.  If they do, they do.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

 

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This is last year haul for 23. I'm hoping 30 and 91 is all they give to move up for a RB. 

[Cantankeous]

These takes are all over the place!

So nothing new.  We have so many GMs here. It’s a....         blessing..

[ExWNYer]

5 hours ago, Logic said:

I don't know about McShay, but I DO trust Benjamin Allbright's credibility when it comes to his league connections and Bills predictions. 
 

It was actually one month ago, but still. The original Tweet:
 

 

If they "don't want Allen taking all of the hits that he does", they have the power to change some of that by having their OC call fewer designed QB runs.

 

5 hours ago, SirAndrew said:

Etienne would be a strange pick, because it means Beane admitting he failed on two running back selections. I understand the need for a dynamic playmaker, but they could have went for speed, instead they went with Moss and Singletary. 

 

If they stay at 30 and draft Etienne, I wouldn't be thrilled but I could understand it to some extent; however, trading up for him would be asinine and irresponsible, probably costing them at least their Round 3 pick (#93). In doing so, they would have used three 3rd Round picks and a 1st Round pick on three different RBs in a three year span. That is not the proper way to build a roster "for the long term". It's a recipe for disaster. If they want to add a speed element to the backfield, there are cheaper options later in the draft including Gainwell, Jefferson, and Hawkins not to mention that they have added Breida who can also catch. If they go up into the 19-24 range. it better be to get a CB like Newsome or Farley, an Edge like Paye, a WR like Bateman, or a unicorn like Owusu-Koramoah. Otherwise, stay put and let the draft (or Etienne) come to you.

[Simon Says]

7 hours ago, FFadpecr said:

Smart. Trading up for ETN is the best possible move for the Bills.

 

I doubt he gets past the Jets at 23, so gotta trade up to 22 or higher.

 

This is the move to make. No doubt.

There is plenty of doubt...seems costly for a RB that already has mileage 

[Solomon Grundy]

Personally, I’d rather take Khalil Herbert/Chris Evans in the 4th or 5th round than use a 1st on Etienne

[Special K]

Todd McShay, on Ryen Russilo’s podcast, says he’s hearing the Bills are trying to move ahead of the Jets (25) and Jaguars (23) to draft Clemson RB Travis Etienne Click for audio sent to me by and h/t to @pordyngus.

 

 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Special K

[Buffalo_Stampede]

7 hours ago, FFadpecr said:

Smart. Trading up for ETN is the best possible move for the Bills.

 

I doubt he gets past the Jets at 23, so gotta trade up to 22 or higher.

 

This is the move to make. No doubt.

Or maybe the Bills are trying to get the Jets to panic and trade up for Etienne? Does Beane have a poker face? Is he bluffing? 

 

 

[Governor]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Or maybe the Bills are trying to get the Jets to panic and trade up for Etienne? Does Beane have a poker face? Is he bluffing? 

 

 

I just don’t see much reason to bluff to get another guy to fall unless it’s someone that they really feel will go right before 30 or right before where we could trade up to. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I just don’t see much reason to bluff to get another guy to fall unless it’s someone that they really feel will go right before 30 or right before where we could trade up to. 

 

Remember, we are playing checkers while Beane plays 3D chess. 

 

Do NOT underestimate the Beane! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

4 minutes ago, The Governor said:

I just don’t see much reason to bluff to get another guy to fall unless it’s someone that they really feel will go right before 30 or right before where we could trade up to. 

Teams bluff all the time in the draft. Motive unknown. I would do it just to mess with the Jets. Then laugh when they trade up thinking some team is trying to steal their guy. 

 

One of our better drafts in 2012 Buddy Nix said before the 2nd round that Jonathan Martin was the best player not selected in the 1st. When the Bills pick came in the 2nd Martin was still there. The Bills took Cordy Glenn. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[ROCBillsBeliever]

3 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

We don't want the Bills to draft Etienne but what will we be saying if the Pats, Fins or Jets get him?

 

I'm sure a lot of Bills fans will wail and moan, weep and gnash their teeth.

 

Meanwhile, Beane will be cracking a smile and a cold one while he chuckles, knowing that ultimate player value is tied to positional value, and that--due to average length of career, cost of positional re-signing after rookie contract, and ability to find Kamara-esque RBs at Kamara-esque spots in the draft (3rd round)--an RB's positional value is low. The top positional values (based on post-rookie contracts) are QB (we are not taking one in the 1st), DE/Edge, and CB. Look at the price tags of 2nd contracts... Beane looks at contracts. 

 

Brieda lit the league on fire with San Fran, is more electric (and NFL proven) than ETN, and Beane signed him for something south of 3 mil (after the Fish were allergic to using him, for whatever reason).

 

Am I completely insane, or does nobody see any of this?

 

Or is everyone here trying to blow smoke FOR Beane? (I mean, that's cool if you all are, but it's a little weird)...

 

Okay, #endrant

 

(And not meaning to take it out on you, @PromoTheRobot; I made it 11 pages before melting down over all the RB in the 1st inanity. Straw that broke the camel's back, my friend.)

[Buffalo_Stampede]

11 minutes ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

I'm sure a lot of Bills fans will wail and moan, weep and gnash their teeth.

 

Meanwhile, Beane will be cracking a smile and a cold one while he chuckles, knowing that ultimate player value is tied to positional value, and that--due to average length of career, cost of positional re-signing after rookie contract, and ability to find Kamara-esque RBs at Kamara-esque spots in the draft (3rd round)--an RB's positional value is low. The top positional values (based on post-rookie contracts) are QB (we are not taking one in the 1st), DE/Edge, and CB. Look at the price tags of 2nd contracts... Beane looks at contracts. 

 

Brieda lit the league on fire with San Fran, is more electric (and NFL proven) than ETN, and Beane signed him for something south of 3 mil (after the Fish were allergic to using him, for whatever reason).

 

Am I completely insane, or does nobody see any of this?

 

Or is everyone here trying to blow smoke FOR Beane? (I mean, that's cool if you all are, but it's a little weird)...

 

Okay, #endrant

 

(And not meaning to take it out on you, @PromoTheRobot; I made it 11 pages before melting down over all the RB in the 1st inanity. Straw that broke the camel's back, my friend.)

We lack talent at RB. Also Zach Moss suffered a serious injury before proving he can handle the load. Brieda isn't anything more than a reserve RB with speed. SF has a great system for RB'S. Hard to feel confident he can recreate that success here. 

 

 

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Any WR they add in round 1 would almost certainly end the year with less touches and yards than Etienne would have. Why are we so stuck on the fact that he's an RB? If he is a weapon in the run and pass game why does it really matter?

 

 

Because Etienne most certainly IS just a RB.    Even if he became a great receiving RB he would average just around 8 yards per reception.......far from comparable to a good receiver.     A playmaking receiver will give you 12-18 yards per reception in the passing game.    The equivalent argument would be handing the ball off to Cole Beasley 70 times per year and him producing 3.2 yards per carry and calling him a weapon in the run game.