HOUSE Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 So Terry is cheap. I knew this was coming 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 1, 2021 Share Posted March 1, 2021 (edited) Would you trade pick #30 for one of WFT’s Defensive lineman not named chase young? They need a QB more than anything and are short draft assets to either trade for one or move up in the draft. If rivera is following the Beane model, they will go all in to find their franchise QB. And they aren’t gonna be able to pay Allen, Payne and Sweat in addition to Young. Edited March 1, 2021 by BuffaloRebound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I don’t believe it, therefore making it fake news... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, HOUSE said: So Terry is cheap. I knew this was coming Ralph is still cheap. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Just now, Brennan Huff said: I don’t believe it, therefore making it fake news... Don’t believe that they offered more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Would you trade pick #30 for one of WFT’s Defensive lineman not named chase young? They need a QB more than anything and are short draft assets to either trade for one or move up in the draft. If rivera is following the Beane model, they will go all in to find their franchise QB. And they aren’t gonna be able to pay Allen, Payne and Sweat in addition to Young. Jonathan Allen, yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsCuse Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said: Would you trade pick #30 for one of WFT’s Defensive lineman not named chase young? They need a QB more than anything and are short draft assets to either trade for one or move up in the draft. If rivera is following the Beane model, they will go all in to find their franchise QB. And they aren’t gonna be able to pay Allen, Payne and Sweat in addition to Young. I would do it for Sweat for sure. Still on a rookie deal w 5th year option 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterLifer Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, May Day 10 said: Im fine with that I think we dodged a bullet on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Buffalo could have offered less, but still been Watt's #2 choice. He obviously was looking for a combination of pay and chance of winning. Sounds like he thinks he got the best combo in AZ, but he considered Buffalo to be 2nd best. That's how I read this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 22 minutes ago, Doc said: Very odd. I doubt you'd find many people who think this moves makes the Cardinals even a playoff team, much less a SB team. I think the Cardinals have a very good chance to be a playoff team. Don't see them as a Superbowl contender. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: No people are saying the Cardinals are not even a playoff team and the worst team in the division. And since when is a team being a "contender" suddenly a statement of being a "lock". You're just being absurd now and you know it. I said they are an ascending team...it was pretty clear what I said. You said they'd be a contender. 6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: But, AZ isn’t a bad choice for him. That’s a team on the rise that is expected to contend next year. Defense was solid already and offense is getting better each year as Kyler grows. Which I mean contend for a playoff spot sure, for the SB no not really and that's what was implied to be what Watt was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I call BS. If money wasn’t the main factor, then why was this so absurdly public? And the “leaked” salary requirements? What was the point of dragging multiple fanbases on social media? I can’t hate the man as a person given all of his charity work, but I have to say i’ve lost some respect for him as a player with all these histrionics. He didn’t even do anything particularly clever like ask the fanbases of said team to donate the most to charity to influence his decision. That would have been something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, Warcodered said: You said they'd be a contender. Which I mean contend for a playoff spot sure, for the SB no not really and that's what was implied to be what Watt was looking for. Why cant they contend for a Super Bowl? They will have a good defense next year and an ascending offense. If Murray takes another step in his 3rd year like Josh did, they could be a very good team. Im not saying they are the favorite, but they are a team on the rise as long as one believes in Murray, and most do, including myself, that Murray should get better in his 3rd year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkeerie Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Wouldn't surprise me if D'Andre Hopkins influenced his decision. A former respected teammate who could give him direct knowledge of the team culture in AZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, benderbender said: I call BS. If money wasn’t the main factor, then why was this so absurdly public? And the “leaked” salary requirements? What was the point of dragging multiple fanbases on social media? I can’t hate the man as a person given all of his charity work, but I have to say i’ve lost some respect for him as a player with all these histrionics. He didn’t even do anything particularly clever like ask the fanbases of said team to donate the most to charity to influence his decision. That would have been something. He did call out donations as “bribes” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He couldn’t be paid to hitch his wagon to baker and wentz i really need to know what Beane offered I suspect the $23M guaranteed on a 2-year deal was what drove his decision. Lots of details to consider when it comes to contracts - guarantees, length, structure/backloading. I heard the Browns offered $13.5M/yr earlier in the process. No idea if they increased that or not. Even at $13.5M AAV if it was for a a 3 year deal, then that’s $40.5M and they technically offered more in a way. Lots gets said about contract offers, but without details none of it really means much. I think Watt was a phenomenal player and that he’s still good. I’m glad we didn’t pay him what ‘Zona did though. That’s just too much for a rotational 32 year old pass rusher. Heck, I thought $13.5M would've too much unless it was a longer deal that was backloaded. Edited March 2, 2021 by BarleyNY 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scuba guy Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 6 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Exactly I thought he wanted to be on a contender. Arizona is not even close to being one. But good riddance honestly, I’m glad Beane didn’t overpay for Watt I thought his wife wanted to eat chicken wings I guess they can fly them in from duffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 41 minutes ago, DJB said: I read in this very thread that, since no other media outlet had previously mentioned the Cardinals as a possible suitor for Watt, that any and all reports of contact with any other teams, let alone actual offers, is "made up", i.e. never happened. 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I suspect the $23M guaranteed was what drove his decision. Yeah, I don't think he cared who was his next QB... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: I read in this very thread that, since no other media outlet had previously mentioned the Cardinals as a possible suitor for Watt, that any and all reports of contact with any other teams, let alone actual offers, is "made up", i.e. never happened. And I read elsewhere here that if someone quotes an anonymous person as the source of a story, than you should assume its true as no one would ever make that up to drive clicks or generate publicity for themselves... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said: And I read elsewhere here that if someone quotes an anonymous person as the source of a story, than you should assume its true as no one would ever make that up to drive clicks or generate publicity for themselves... Turns out the reports of other teams offering him money were obviously true, so I don't know what your angle is at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 15 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Why cant they contend for a Super Bowl? They will have a good defense next year and an ascending offense. If Murray takes another step in his 3rd year like Josh did, they could be a very good team. Im not saying they are the favorite, but they are a team on the rise as long as one believes in Murray, and most do, including myself, that Murray should get better in his 3rd year. I think Murray could be a good QB don't think he'll be a great one and I don't believe in there HC guy couldn't win at the College level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 He will be banged up before the season starts. The guy was the leader of a defense for a team that went 4-12 and gave up a whole bunch of yards and points. Everyone says the Texans have a lousy organization. Well the players are part of that lousy organization that went 4-12 last season. So maybe Watt and Watson are not as good as a lot want to say, because they were the leaders of a 4-12 team. All I remember is Watson sitting on the bench crying with a towel over his head after he fumbled inside of the Indy 5 yard line at the end of the game. That's a hell of a leader-not. (Don't think Jimbo would have done that) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 The Arizona weather is better for his aging bones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said: The Arizona weather is better for his aging bones Lots of people go to Arizona to retire, nice choice by him tbh 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwksilver Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 At that figure I'm ok with not getting him. I wonder what Lawson is going to get/looking for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 37 minutes ago, FFadpecr said: Focusing on and trying to build up the defense is a pointless endeavor, if your goal is to beat the Chiefs in 2021. The Bucs Defense was an outlier - no matter what the Bills do this offseason on Defense, they will NEVER recreate the Bucs 2020 Defense. That would literally take years and years to accomplish. So what is the point? Why even go that route? It's silly. Not to mention - NFL Defense in 2021 is a mirage - it comes and goes, not sustainable. Your defense is only as good as your last game. You can improve the DL, improve the LBs, improve the CB2....guess what? The Chiefs are still dropping 30+ against the Bills in 2021, both regular season and playoff game; all your defensive improvements are moot. So then you are right back to Square 1, exactly where you were in 2020 - needing to outscore the Chiefs, needing to score ~35 points to win. Focus on Offense over Defense. It's a much wiser investment, because Josh makes everyone on Offense better, so an offensive addition is guaranteed to make an impact. Sometimes your best defense is an unstoppable offense. The Bills just need 1 or 2 extra pieces to be unstoppable offensively - so add those few pieces and finish the deal. If you control the clock + score at will, your defense will just need to be "good enough". You know the Bills averaged more ppg than the Chiefs in 2020 right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 We dodged a bullet. Good riddance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: But yet the Bills were the biggest competition per this same source... So it looks like he was avoiding cold weather lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brennan Huff Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Don’t believe that they offered more? None of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimS Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Did he visit anywhere? I didn't read any report he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Slight issue: Both CB and one S are free agents They had $11M cap space before signing Watt Gonna be interesting Oh. I guess not then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 11 minutes ago, JimS said: Did he visit anywhere? I didn't read any report he did. Just the bank. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, FFadpecr said: Focusing on and trying to build up the defense is a pointless endeavor, if your goal is to beat the Chiefs in 2021. The Bucs Defense was an outlier - no matter what the Bills do this offseason on Defense, they will NEVER recreate the Bucs 2020 Defense. That would literally take years and years to accomplish. So what is the point? Why even go that route? It's silly. Not to mention - NFL Defense in 2021 is a mirage - it comes and goes, not sustainable. Your defense is only as good as your last game. You can improve the DL, improve the LBs, improve the CB2....guess what? The Chiefs are still dropping 30+ against the Bills in 2021, both regular season and playoff game; all your defensive improvements are moot. So then you are right back to Square 1, exactly where you were in 2020 - needing to outscore the Chiefs, needing to score ~35 points to win. Focus on Offense over Defense. It's a much wiser investment, because Josh makes everyone on Offense better, so an offensive addition is guaranteed to make an impact. Sometimes your best defense is an unstoppable offense. The Bills just need 1 or 2 extra pieces to be unstoppable offensively - so add those few pieces and finish the deal. If you control the clock + score at will, your defense will just need to be "good enough". I disagree with pretty much all of this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iiiiiiiiive Got a Feeeelin Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 36 minutes ago, qwksilver said: At that figure I'm ok with not getting him. I wonder what Lawson is going to get/looking for? Bringin back Manny? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Paup 1995MVP said: He will be banged up before the season starts. The guy was the leader of a defense for a team that went 4-12 and gave up a whole bunch of yards and points. Everyone says the Texans have a lousy organization. Well the players are part of that lousy organization that went 4-12 last season. So maybe Watt and Watson are not as good as a lot want to say, because they were the leaders of a 4-12 team. All I remember is Watson sitting on the bench crying with a towel over his head after he fumbled inside of the Indy 5 yard line at the end of the game. That's a hell of a leader-not. (Don't think Jimbo would have done that) Yeah, but his stats don’t lie. Edited March 2, 2021 by Rico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, jkeerie said: Wouldn't surprise me if D'Andre Hopkins influenced his decision. A former respected teammate who could give him direct knowledge of the team culture in AZ. I was thinking that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 5 hours ago, chongli said: Buffalo (and Cleveland and Green Bay) could not compete against the Phoenix weather, marketability for Watt's "brand", and, most importantly, former teammate DeAndre Hopkins, who convinced him to go to Arizona. He isn’t worth 31 million dollars that’s the ultimate factor no one was going to pay that...period 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: But yet the Bills were the biggest competition per this same source... The thing is, there's the total $ value of the contract, and then there's the question how much of it is guaranteed and how is it structured? It wouldn't surprise me at all if Watt was offered more money as part of a longer contract, or even the same length contract but with less up front or less guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I think Murray could be a good QB don't think he'll be a great one and I don't believe in there HC guy couldn't win at the College level. And Josh couldn't win at the college level either...its a mute point. Just like how guys who won in college have gone on to be terrible in the pros. I will judge the HC by what he does in the NFL. Right now, hes still a question mark, I am just not going to condemn him just on his college record alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This guy is such a tool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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