benderbender Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 What was our defensive identity this year? Waiting for the All-22, but if you could isolate one play on defense where we didn’t play scared aside from the one good hit Hyde put on a RB. Whether it was refusing to attempt to bump Kelce at the line, or letting all 5’ nothing 170lbs of Hill intimidate our entire staff, we clearly didn’t think our defense had a single strength to play to. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, benderbender said: What was our defensive identity this year? Waiting for the All-22, but if you could isolate one play on defense where we didn’t play scared aside from the one good hit Hyde put on a RB. Whether it was refusing to attempt to bump Kelce at the line, or letting all 5’ nothing 170lbs of Hill intimidate our entire staff, we clearly didn’t think our defense had a single strength to play to. So weak it was embarrassing, safeties 20 yards deep and backpedaling at the snap. They played defense all game like they were ahead by 3 touchdowns in the 4th qtr 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Soft was the word I came up with. Watching the Bucs defense and the Chiefs D line crush us lets us know how soft we are on the front 7. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 So I guess you're saying you do not trust the process? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Soft was the word I came up with. Watching the Bucs defense and the Chiefs D line crush us lets us know how soft we are on the front 7. Very, very soft. I do trust McBeane though to address and correct this in the off-season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It was just a bad game. KC obviously had a game plan to play more physical than us. They punched us in the mouth in the second quarter and we never got up. That fight in the end should of happened in the 2nd quarter after the Jones punch, or the Diggs slam. They owned us. Defensive scheme or not nobody on the D line won a block the whole game. It was just ugly all the way around. Frazier and Daboll looked outmatched and the players followed suit. On to the offseason. I’m still happy with our season. The first 6-7 weeks we had NO DEFENSE so at least they improved despite failing in this game . 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 minutes ago, benderbender said: What was our defensive identity this year? Waiting for the All-22, but if you could isolate one play on defense where we didn’t play scared aside from the one good hit Hyde put on a RB. Whether it was refusing to attempt to bump Kelce at the line, or letting all 5’ nothing 170lbs of Hill intimidate our entire staff, we clearly didn’t think our defense had a single strength to play to. Our defense was bad all year, got a little better 2nd half, but still nothing like past two seasons and overall most of core players were same other than Star. No pass rush all year it seemed, but stat wise, sacks looked good so hard to understand? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Absolutely did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) My issue is thrm not making some plays forcing more 3rd and longs. Then there was YAC stats where ifyou play prevent you need to pursue and defend on YAC and force more 3rd and ling that then get drive stops and force more punts. buffalo isbt designed around a front four big sack team. i believe if you can get pressure forcing quick plays then it’s to your advantage to play man coverage. Edited January 25, 2021 by djp14150 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Addison was a truly horrible signing by Beane. Would have been better off sticking with Murphy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) The interior D had to do better. The most expensive in the league? Didn't look like it I didn't hear Butler, Jefferson, or Oliver's name once. The defense, didn't seem to have a plan for Kelce at all. Edited January 25, 2021 by Seoulofstone Clarifying for the bone-headed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 13 minutes ago, benderbender said: What was our defensive identity this year? Waiting for the All-22, but if you could isolate one play on defense where we didn’t play scared aside from the one good hit Hyde put on a RB. Whether it was refusing to attempt to bump Kelce at the line, or letting all 5’ nothing 170lbs of Hill intimidate our entire staff, we clearly didn’t think our defense had a single strength to play to. we were good at all levels, dominant at none. Needed another impact player in the front 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastMaster Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, Seoulofstone said: The interior D had to do better. The most expensive in the league? Didn't look like it I didn't hear Butler, Jefferson, or Oliver's name once. They didn't seem to have a plan for Kelce at all. KC didn’t run much up the middle. DT don’t cover the TE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Bills Fan Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, BeastMaster said: It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. Key part of the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Every team that gets to the Super Bowl has 1 or 2 D linemen that can consistently get to the QB. All due respect to Hughes, we don't have that. It's amazing we accomplished what we did this year. In a lot of ways you can say we over achieved as a team a bit. Allen and Rodgers should be co-MVPs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your Brown Eye Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 terrible defensive gameplan for this game, terrible 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, Turk71 said: So weak it was embarrassing, safeties 20 yards deep and backpedaling at the snap. They played defense all game like they were ahead by 3 touchdowns in the 4th qtr And still give up a 50 yard run by Hardiman and a 70 yard catch by Hill on a 5 yard crossing pattern. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 We are a couple players away on defense. Beane and McD will figure out what we need. Not every signing works. We had Benjamin, now we have Diggs. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seoulofstone Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Just now, djp14150 said: KC didn’t run much up the middle. DT don’t cover the TE. So you consider them successful if they can contain interior runs and not push the pocket? Wow low bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bferra13 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. Unfortunately, this is correct. He needs to be way better. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 12 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. Andy Reid coached that exact same way in big games throughout his whole career until he finally woke up last year. I don’t think it will take McD that long, he’s come a long way this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) My biggest concern with this team and it's progression toward the final steps is McD. On offense we seem to be very flexible week to week in our approach. We aren't married to a system. On defense, we do seem married to a system. Against very high end QB's, it is not the optimal system to be in. With McD we will never have the players to play high end man coverage and that seems to be how you beat the best. Along with a great pass rush from your front four. Edited January 25, 2021 by KzooMike 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Our defensive game plan for this game? Hope and Prayer. Hope that Mahomes was out and pray a lot if he was playing! Embarrassing! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 minute ago, KzooMike said: My biggest concern with this team and it's progression toward the final steps is McD. On offense we seem to be very flexible week to week in our approach. We aren't married to a system. On defense, we do seem married to a system. Against very high end QB's, it is not the optimal system to be in. With McD we will never have the players to play high end man coverage and that seems to be how you beat the best, along with a great pass rush from your front four. This. We can't run man because the roster isn't built to man press. And against KC you need to do what they did to us. Man press with one safety help. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 23 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: It was just a bad game. KC obviously had a game plan to play more physical than us. They punched us in the mouth in the second quarter and we never got up. That fight in the end should of happened in the 2nd quarter after the Jones punch, or the Diggs slam. They owned us. Defensive scheme or not nobody on the D line won a block the whole game. It was just ugly all the way around. Frazier and Daboll looked outmatched and the players followed suit. On to the offseason. I’m still happy with our season. The first 6-7 weeks we had NO DEFENSE so at least they improved despite failing in this game . I would not say it was just a "bad game." They are quite a bit better than us on both sides of the ball. If we played them next Sunday, and each Sunday after that for a total of 5 games, they would probably win all 5 one way or the other. They're better than us. It will be interesting to see how Beane takes a scalpel to this roster and tweaks here and there. We should be a better team next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Soft on the front seven but doesn’t help when star players are uncovered every play and they pass it under 2 seconds every play. Worst defensive game plan I’ve seen in a while , embarrassing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Our game plan seemed to be, lets hope the chiefs lose the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 End of the day the only chance we had at beating KC was taking chances on defence and creating turnovers. You double Hill and you chip Kelce hard at the line, send 5 guys and force Mahomes into making quick decisions. We played looking to avoid big plays and gave Mahomes time to find 2nd and 3rd options Meanwhile KC was going hard after Allen on almost every play 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They played 100% to prevent the big plays and couldn't even do that. The line played great against the run for the second straight week, but everything else was pitiful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 37 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. He learned from Reid when He flat out sucked in the playoffs for many years. Reid evolved, I hope McD does as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lieutenant Aldo Raine Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) I honestly don't think this defense could have stopped Henne as QB either. Wasn't like Mahomes was outworldly, it was pitch and catch all night. Edited January 25, 2021 by Lieutenant Aldo Raine 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, BeastMaster said: It wasn't just the D, either. McD coached like a coward in his biggest game against his mentor that coaches to win. I thought McDermott had grown as a coach to the point that we wouldn’t see FGs in those situations. I was wrong. He regressed. Totally inexcusable but it didn’t cost us the game. The Chiefs could have named the score. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 They don’t have an aggressive mentality. They have a victims mentality. They passively sit back and react instead of attacking the offense. Some of our problem is personnel, most of it is philosophy. I don’t think Frazier is going anywhere but I hope he grows a pair in terms of play calling. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 20 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: Our game plan seemed to be, lets hope the chiefs lose the game I thought it might have been - Let’s hope Mahomes throws some picks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 When they brought pressure they got burned. When they dropped into coverage they got burned. What would have them do? They got beat by a really good team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, benderbender said: What was our defensive identity this year? Waiting for the All-22, but if you could isolate one play on defense where we didn’t play scared aside from the one good hit Hyde put on a RB. Whether it was refusing to attempt to bump Kelce at the line, or letting all 5’ nothing 170lbs of Hill intimidate our entire staff, we clearly didn’t think our defense had a single strength to play to. The first two drives weren’t terrible. We held them to 3 and out(Hill did have a bad drop). Second drive we were punishing their receivers then after that it was like we put in Niagara-Wheatfield middle schools defense and we figured there was a better chance of Kelce dropping a wide open pass than us trying to cover him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, MJS said: When they brought pressure they got burned. When they dropped into coverage they got burned. What would have them do? They got beat by a really good team. KC's defense played really really well. They were confusing us at the LOS and blanketing our WR's. They shut down Diggs in the first half almost entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, RunJoshRun said: Eric Washington will be the NEW DC next season - remember that. I hope no matter what Frazier does not return, defence has been a huge problem a majority of the year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Gameplan was a spitting image of week 6 only KC attacked it a different way....Terrible coaching. You don’t go up against the best team in the league and bring the same gameplan as you did earlier in the season. Doesn’t matter if the score was close, they were gonna be ready for it. We said we weren’t the same team as the first time we played, why the same game plan then? Edited January 25, 2021 by BananaB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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