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Allen's stats are actually better on the road this year than they are at home...especially in terms of Yards/game...on the road he averages 322 yards versus 244 at home. Rating is higher, sacks are less, higher completion percentage, same # of TD's in 1 fewer game...

 

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 7 6 1 0 155 229 74 67.69 1709 14 5 100.9 18 95 7.46 7.70 32.7 244.1 58 204 3.52 5 8.3 29.1 0 0 0   0 0.0%   0.0 0.0 5 30 5 4 0 0 -2 0
  Road 6 4 2 0 168 242 74 69.42 1932 14 4 105.6 6 46 7.98 8.40 40.3 322.0 35 146 4.17 1 5.8 24.3 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.2 2.0 2 12 3 2 0 0 0

 

So the question then becomes, would it actually be BETTER for the Bills if we played our playoff games on the road?

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Every QB will play better on average outside Bills Stadium  than in Bills Stadium (due to the weather). You do bring up a good question and my answer is "It Depends"

 

If the opposing QB is going to be more adversely affected by Buffalo weather than Allen, play the game at Bills Stadium. If it is the opposite, playing on the road may be better for us. In other words, it is a relative, not absolute thing

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I would be curious to look up the Bills tenure with MCD at coach the past few years as I feel just on recollection in my mind we have been 

a better road team overall. 

 

But  To have he right of being AFC East Champs, the  number 2  seed possibly and rewarded with 2 games at home. I think the team would rather be on home turf. Too bad the fans can't be apart. The stadium would be rocking..

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, matter2003 said:

Allen's stats are actually better on the road this year than they are at home...especially in terms of Yards/game...on the road he averages 322 yards versus 244 at home. Rating is higher, sacks are less, higher completion percentage, same # of TD's in 1 fewer game...

 

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 7 6 1 0 155 229 74 67.69 1709 14 5 100.9 18 95 7.46 7.70 32.7 244.1 58 204 3.52 5 8.3 29.1 0 0 0   0 0.0%   0.0 0.0 5 30 5 4 0 0 -2 0
  Road 6 4 2 0 168 242 74 69.42 1932 14 4 105.6 6 46 7.98 8.40 40.3 322.0 35 146 4.17 1 5.8 24.3 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.2 2.0 2 12 3 2 0 0 0

 

So the question then becomes, would it actually be BETTER for the Bills if we played our playoff games on the road?

 

When your sample is 13 games played with different teams of different skill levels, I think this belongs in that "correlation is not causation" bin.  I think a lot of the difference in stats can be explained by the strategic decision to pound the rock against NE and the Chargers (both happening to be home games) and the 7 sack flurry in the 2nd half against Seattle.

 

We want a home playoff game because the same factors that make our stadium hard for us, make it hard for other QB as well and presumably knowing the field and how to move on it and having more comfortable, familiar training and lodging surroundings will help.

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3 minutes ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

I would be curious to look up the Bills tenure with MCD at coach the past few years as I feel just on recollection in my mind we have been 

a better road team overall. 

 

But  To have he right of being AFC East Champs, the  number 2  seed possibly and rewarded with 2 games at home. I think the team would rather be on home turf. Too bad the fans can't be apart. The stadium would be rocking..

 

 

 

 

Allen is 14-7 at home versus 11-9 on the road.  However,  even his career splits are better on the road, not just this year. He averages over 40 yards/game more on the road and has a higher rating and completion percentage with fewer INTs in 50 more attempts.  This may be a great thing however...a lot of QBs wilt on the road...Allen plays BETTER on the road, and it isn't like he is bad at home or anything...

 

Allen Career Splits:

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G 2PM TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 21 14 7 0 356 601 245 59.23 4093 29 16 84.8 49 287 6.81 6.58 28.6 194.9 155 792 5.11 13 7.4 37.7 1 0 0   0 0.0% 0.00 0.0 0.0 1 13 36 18 7 0 3 -2 0
  Road 20 11 9 0 407 651 244 62.52 4711 29 14 90.2 41 304 7.24 7.16 32.6 235.6 136 699 5.14 10 6.8 35.0 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.1 0.6   11 12 12 5 0 1 -15 0
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Its really tricky.  This O is like the old Rams 'greatest show on turf' and seem to play best in pristine situations.  Its hard to come to terms with because we've always wished for terrible weather, and home games.  Right now, I'd rather see them play in good conditions, wherever, versus in the slop.  Power running teams are what give us trouble, and will be more so in those conditions.

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Yes, it is by far easier on the players and staff.

 

Go Bills!!!

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33 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

Allen's stats are actually better on the road this year than they are at home...especially in terms of Yards/game...on the road he averages 322 yards versus 244 at home. Rating is higher, sacks are less, higher completion percentage, same # of TD's in 1 fewer game...

 

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 7 6 1 0 155 229 74 67.69 1709 14 5 100.9 18 95 7.46 7.70 32.7 244.1 58 204 3.52 5 8.3 29.1 0 0 0   0 0.0%   0.0 0.0 5 30 5 4 0 0 -2 0
  Road 6 4 2 0 168 242 74 69.42 1932 14 4 105.6 6 46 7.98 8.40 40.3 322.0 35 146 4.17 1 5.8 24.3 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.2 2.0 2 12 3 2 0 0 0

 

So the question then becomes, would it actually be BETTER for the Bills if we played our playoff games on the road?

 

Those stats are pretty similar. Kinda splitting hairs. 100.9 vs 105.6 ratings prove that Josh is just a very good QB no matter what.

 

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Forget home and road playoff games. Put the playoffs in a bubble in Arizona. Allen has been lights out in two games in Glendale this year.

 

But the way things are shaping up, looks like playoff road games in KC and Pitt. will be the only options, unless Pitt. keeps sliding or we fall apart in the last three weeks.

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43 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

 

Allen is 14-7 at home versus 11-9 on the road.  However,  even his career splits are better on the road, not just this year. He averages over 40 yards/game more on the road and has a higher rating and completion percentage with fewer INTs in 50 more attempts.  This may be a great thing however...a lot of QBs wilt on the road...Allen plays BETTER on the road, and it isn't like he is bad at home or anything...

 

Allen Career Splits:

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G 2PM TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 21 14 7 0 356 601 245 59.23 4093 29 16 84.8 49 287 6.81 6.58 28.6 194.9 155 792 5.11 13 7.4 37.7 1 0 0   0 0.0% 0.00 0.0 0.0 1 13 36 18 7 0 3 -2 0
  Road 20 11 9 0 407 651 244 62.52 4711 29 14 90.2 41 304 7.24 7.16 32.6 235.6 136 699 5.14 10 6.8 35.0 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.1 0.6   11 12 12 5 0 1 -15 0

Thanks for some reason I thought we seemed to win more on the road. But this year we have been very good at home! 

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The Bills played the Rams and Steelers at home. Two of the best defenses in the league. They played the Chiefs at home in a bad weather game.

 

I think the evidence is circumstantial. Tough opponents and weather played a factor.

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I think the benefits of playing at home, in an empty stadium, outweigh the perceived benefits of playing on the road.

 

Unless the game is played in a blizzard or some ridiculously bad weather, which it probably will not be.

 

I think the empty stadium helps Josh a lot.  I also think the routine of waking up in your own bed, etc., in a familiar stadium is a benefit.  Not huge, but it's something.

 

 

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2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Allen's stats are actually better on the road this year than they are at home...especially in terms of Yards/game...on the road he averages 322 yards versus 244 at home. Rating is higher, sacks are less, higher completion percentage, same # of TD's in 1 fewer game...

 

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 7 6 1 0 155 229 74 67.69 1709 14 5 100.9 18 95 7.46 7.70 32.7 244.1 58 204 3.52 5 8.3 29.1 0 0 0   0 0.0%   0.0 0.0 5 30 5 4 0 0 -2 0
  Road 6 4 2 0 168 242 74 69.42 1932 14 4 105.6 6 46 7.98 8.40 40.3 322.0 35 146 4.17 1 5.8 24.3 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.2 2.0 2 12 3 2 0 0 0

 

So the question then becomes, would it actually be BETTER for the Bills if we played our playoff games on the road?

 

His home/road splits for last year showed the same trend and were even more extreme.  I still like the idea of facing Rivers and Roethilisberger at home and then Mahomes on the road.  As Marv  used to say, "When it's too tough for them, it's just right for us."

 

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, matter2003 said:

Allen's stats are actually better on the road this year than they are at home...especially in terms of Yards/game...on the road he averages 322 yards versus 244 at home. Rating is higher, sacks are less, higher completion percentage, same # of TD's in 1 fewer game...

 

Split Value G W L T Cmp Att Inc Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Sk Yds Y/A AY/A A/G Y/G Att Yds Y/A TD A/G Y/G Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Ctch% Y/Tgt R/G Y/G TD Pts Fmb FL FF FR Yds TD
Place Home 7 6 1 0 155 229 74 67.69 1709 14 5 100.9 18 95 7.46 7.70 32.7 244.1 58 204 3.52 5 8.3 29.1 0 0 0   0 0.0%   0.0 0.0 5 30 5 4 0 0 -2 0
  Road 6 4 2 0 168 242 74 69.42 1932 14 4 105.6 6 46 7.98 8.40 40.3 322.0 35 146 4.17 1 5.8 24.3 1 1 12 12.00 1 100.0% 12.00 0.2 2.0 2 12 3 2 0 0 0

 

So the question then becomes, would it actually be BETTER for the Bills if we played our playoff games on the road?

 

Does this factor in WHO they play?

 

Cream puffs on the road and stronger teams at home? 

 

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When our defense couldn't stop the run, facing a run heavy team at home, if the conditions are bad, wasn't ideal... but with our defense rounding into shape, give me home games.  I'll take Allen throwing in potential wind/sleet/snow, against any of the QB's we could face at home.  

 

Mahomes plays in home bad weather late in the season also.  

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2 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

Forget these stats, and name a team where you would rather the Bills play in their stadium.

 

I will take the Chiefs in Buffalo instead of their house any day! Personal mojo opinion!  :thumbsup:

 

 

7 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

Minnesota has a really cool stadium, with the glass roof. I don't like indoor football as much, but that one, with the end doors open, is almost like an outdoor venue

 

 

 

We lost a SB in Minneapolis. :huh:

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Traveling is an added distraction and danger this season IMO.

 

I will say Allen in a Dome setting or nice weather conditions on the outside is not such a bad thing. I think Buffalo for the most part runs a finesse Offense IMO. Favorable to good playing conditions.

 

 Facing a RB like Derrick Henry in bad weather does not appeal to me... ( or Chubb )

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Right now the narrative of being better at home or away is meaningless cause of no or little fans.. there is no home or away advantage. I look at it as who did we play away outside our division and who we play at home outside our division.. So in typing this I am going to break it down and figure that out.  

 

Home: 4-1  Combined win loss  +/-    45W-20L  + 25

Rams   

KC       LOSE

Seahawks

Chargers

Steelers

 

Away:3-2 Combined win loss  +/-  33W-33L 0

Raiders

Titans   LOSS

Cardinals  LOSS

49ers

Broncos(trying to keep it 5 each side to get a good look, we going to win anyhow)

 

Other then 60 MPH gusts I think Josh can handle weather..  Intangible Is Injuries during away games. If you choose to break  it down like this then I choose home.

 

Again we not basing it on intangibles so off that. I say home and it matters..

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4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

Every QB will play better on average outside Bills Stadium  than in Bills Stadium (due to the weather). You do bring up a good question and my answer is "It Depends"

 

If the opposing QB is going to be more adversely affected by Buffalo weather than Allen, play the game at Bills Stadium. If it is the opposite, playing on the road may be better for us. In other words, it is a relative, not absolute thing

 

 

Give me the Colts in round 1.  

 

Obviously or the Raiders or Dolphins but they aren't getting in.  

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