First Time I have been concerned with Josh Allen

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

4 minutes ago, macaroni said:

 

 

Jenni Lee

 

 

Pssst ....  

I have 2 permanent points , 1 each 6 months apart.   the last given 1 year ago 

 

When warned you need to learn from it.  ...  

Edited October 21, 2019 by SlimShady'sGhost

[Charles Romes]

I love the way Allen is playing and the way Dabol is developing him. He’s emphasizing the short game which needs more development and which was pretty much non-existent before this year.  His long game is there, it’s just not being worked on.  When the short game becomes second nature, look out.   It’s going to be awesome. 

[CLTbills]

2 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Pssst ....  

I have 2 permanent points , 1 each 6 months apart.   the last given 1 year ago 

 

When warned you need to learn from it.  ...  

I've been a good little boy. I've only had one little slap on the wrist from Hapless. I'm not sure how though!

[Kelly the Dog]

I just watched the first half again. Josh was not awful at all. He's wasn't very good but it was hardly on him. He picked up both a 2-20 and 1-20 for first downs. He ran for a couple first downs on third (one was called back). He missed two longer throws, one to Brown who was covered (one yard ahead and would have needed a perfect pass right on the sideline with two defenders near) and one to Dawson who was totally blanketed and was not going to make the catch. He threw 3 darts for 10-20 yard plays. Two to Brown and one to Knox.  The fourth dart was dropped by Knox that would have been first and goal.

 

The one time we punted on 3rd and 11 Daboll called an ill-advised screen that was smothered immediately and had nothing to do with Josh. The one play everyone complained about he had to throw away he got away from three guys that should have tackled him and barely had time to try to get away from the fourth. Even if he threw it away it would have been 3-10 instead of 3-14. He didn't throw one terrible ball and not one was even close to being a turnover excluded a blocked pass early that went into the air and a Bill knocked it down. Again, you couldn't say he was good but he wasn't even bad if you watch each play he had and what he did with it.

[Teddy KGB]

35 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

When Tyrod put up those numbers he was not considered a franchise guy. 

 

I for one, am a bit disappointed with 0, 300+ yard games, and multiple td game. 

 

After a full season of starts under his belt, I feel your first round, franchise pick should have had a wow moment.   He has yet to have it and this week was a prime opportunity. 

 

Sounds like you missed the Miami game where he scored 5 tds.    

 

There’s your wow moment 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

43 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

When Tyrod put up those numbers he was not considered a franchise guy. 

 

I for one, am a bit disappointed with 0, 300+ yard games, and multiple td game. 

 

After a full season of starts under his belt, I feel your first round, franchise pick should have had a wow moment.   He has yet to have it and this week was a prime opportunity. 

 

I'd qualify last year's last miami game as a wow moment.

 

As would I qualify his what, 5 game winning 4th quarter drives? That's something Tyrod NEVER did.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

51 minutes ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

I call it a DVR ...   Digital Video Recording on my DTV 

 

Tivo is sooooo  1999

 

 

do ya remember when Tim Tebow was a winner with a whole 7 wins in Denver??? 

 

Are you the guy that also calls the remote the "clicker"?

[Captain Hindsight]

46 minutes ago, macaroni said:

 

HIS side of the story is ….

 

He posted in this thread, someone took umbridge with his viewpoint and an "off topic" conversation started. He says (again HIS side) was that in the 30 minutes he was a member he made 5 posts spanning 2 different topics, and one of those posts was apologizing for getting off topic in this one. In the defense of the mod who shall not be named, he said he DID get a bit snarky, but never used profanity or such. The attachment below is the e-mail he received to inform him he was permanently banned. 

 

 

So, you are here posting off topic in a thread. Doing something very similar to what your son got banned for and complaining about the mods?

 

Good luck!

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Could you offer some examples of this?

Obviously the horrible part is hyperbole.. but there is a huge segment of the "fan base" that only comes out of the woodworks when they lose and they make us all look bad

 

There are plenty of players and coaches who have not wanted to play or coach here over the years because they got a reputation as a team team without accountability , then you throw in the passionate fans who turn on players and coaches overnight and yea Buffalo has not been a fairytale destination for a long time

 

Winning cures everything

[Mango]

4 hours ago, Ray Finkel said:

No matter what offense Josh plays in he will have accuracy issues.  He had them in college and still has them.  I thought pro coaches could help him but it hasn’t happened.  I know his accuracy percentage is up but he still has not developed accuracy with his long ball.  He still has head scratching misses on some shorter passes.

My issues with JA are similar. 
 

Percentage is up. He’s been much more efficient. He’s always been able to make throws that make your jaw drop at times. 
 

I think he has to process the field quicker, and figure out how to control velocity. Those go hand in hand sometimes. I think he throws so many fast balls that are difficult to catch, because his anticipation isn’t great, and is late on his read. So he unleashes a bullet that is difficult to catch, after the DB has reacted. 
 

I’m concerned that this is fixable, because it’s nuanced. I’m also pleased with this seasons improvement. I think he’s correcting his need/want to play hero ball, but when he goes underneath he seems late to release and poorly placed. 
 

Both excited and concerned. Which is where I think most criticisms come from with his play.

[HappyDays]

5 hours ago, DasNootz said:

I've re-watched the game and I think Allen was just fine

 

Agreed, I rewatched the game this morning and he was better than I remember. He had 2 bad drives in a row at the end of the 1st half. Beyond that he was solid. On the 3 FG drives Allen wasn't the primary reason for them stalling. In the 2nd half he only had one bad pass. Didn't even come close to a turnover at any point. I actually think this might have been his best game so far after rewatching it.

[warrior9]

We're 5-1. Josh has 62% completion percentage and there have been many drops (at LEAST 5 by Knox this year)...... 

 

We're fine.

 

(Although, the play calling at times is like............... head scratching) like the 3rd and nine screen right off tackle.. that's NOT JA's fault 

[Socal-805]

5 hours ago, Joe in Winslow said:

 

62%, 2TD, 0INT has you concerned?

 

And I think you mean Russell Wilson.

 

 

 

o 7 TDs - 7 INTS

o  Josh Allen can not throw the deep ball;  this is not going to change IMO.

 

 

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Socal-805 said:

this is not going to change IMO.

 

 

You a clairvoyant?

 

 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

5 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

I'm growing concerned over our inability to beat the blitz.  For whatever reason, Allen is not doing a good job of hitting his hot receiver -- I don't know whether that's a result of him not being able to see pressure coming pre-snap, not finding the outlet guy fast enough, poor play design, or what, but it needs to get fixed.

How about he gets more help beating the blitz?

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

My take on it is Allen has made a few too many really dumb plays, so they've beat him over the head about not making the mistakes to the point he's now maybe become a bit overly cautious on his throws.  On deep passes, is he just thinking I'd rather be long than short so I'll just heave it out there worst case an incomplete rather than a potential INT.   Give him more time, likely the rest of this season and off-season to where they Bills remove the handcuffs again and let him just play but in a smarter way. 

 

I also think while their WR group is much improved from last year, it's still not a group the defensive coordinators are going to lose too much sleep over,  Assuming Williams does improve enough by next year to be a legit NFL receiver and they draft or sign a top FA WR and Singletary becomes a big threat out of the back field to catch 5 to 6 passes per game, and more consistency from the TE position too, then the group may install some fear.

[billsfan_34]

5 hours ago, PaattMaann said:

 

hmmm....I will have to disagree. At least about having a problem with Josh all the sudden after yesterday. 

 

He missed two deep balls, but had a slew of other great throws (the touch pass to duke, the TD to Brown, the brown throw across the field, the throw to knox that was dropped as examples). 

 

Josh did not appear to be the problem with the offense. Dropped passes, missed assignments and untimely penalties have continued to stall our offensive drives inside enemy territory and THAT is very concerning. We need to figure out a way to continue to execute, which to be fair we did on the drive that started in 3rd quarter and ended in the 4th. 

 

I have very little problems with the way Josh played today, aside from missing those deep throws. WHY CANT HE HIT THOSE????? Is it a total shook confidence thing now? 

People also forget 2 terrible personal foul roughing the passer penalties- both were not a penalty. Pretty soon QB’s will be wearing flags around their waists.

[Beast]

21 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Obviously the horrible part is hyperbole.. but there is a huge segment of the "fan base" that only comes out of the woodworks when they lose and they make us all look bad

 

There are plenty of players and coaches who have not wanted to play or coach here over the years because they got a reputation as a team team without accountability , then you throw in the passionate fans who turn on players and coaches overnight and yea Buffalo has not been a fairytale destination for a long time

 

Winning cures everything

 

Again, you make generalizations without specifically naming any player or coach.

 

How about the following?

 

Players and coaches had a problem signing with the Buffalo Bills because they were a poorly run organization and had a very frugal owner.

 

Which statement is more true?

Edited October 21, 2019 by Binghamton Beast

[Pokebball]

3 minutes ago, Formerly Allan in MD said:

How about he gets more help beating the blitz?

One play yesterday we saw Allen shake/juke one rusher, then two, then three and then get tackled by a fourth.  Our O lineman can't quit when they get beat by the guy they line up across from.  Josh scrambles.  Go find another guy to put your shoulder into.  

[Seven-N-Nine]

I've had concerns about him since he was drafted, but I have largely kept my feelings under wraps so as not to upset TBD clientele.

[GreggTX]

Josh is playing better of late, but I think his ceiling will be just an average passer with exceptional mobillty. Overall, that makes him above average. If we ever win a SB with him at QB, we'll need a legendary defense and an unstoppable ground game.

[timekills17]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

 

Pssst ....  

I have 2 permanent points , 1 each 6 months apart.   the last given 1 year ago 

 

When warned you need to learn from it.  ...  

 

I just want to add that I have no points, so I'm clearly doing something wrong.

I have been told off for posting my site with replays of the games though, since a mod thought I was a third-rate journalist trying to pimp my stuff.

Does that count?

 

(P.S. the site is https://timekills.info in case anyone wants to vote for my Pulitzer.)

 

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said:

 

Again, you make generalizations without specifically naming any player or coach.

 

How about the following?

 

Players and coaches had a problem signing with the Buffalo Bills because they were a poorly run organization and had a very frugal owner.

 

Which statement is more true?

Its not big enough of a deal to me to search the internet looking for quotes. And yes the Bills were poorly run but Ralph wasnt frugal

 

If you can have that opinion I can have mine. Ralph made OJ the highest paid NFL player in the 70s. He made Kelly the highest paid player in the 80s.  We were known as the million dollar Bills

 

In the 2000s Ralph spent $ on the wrong people. Like making Derrick Dockerry the highest paid guard in the NFL... That's not frugal, that's dumb

 

We just share different opinions 

 

 

[Magox]

At least the Josh Allen haters keep moving the goal posts.

 

It used to be:

 

"He cannot throw the short to intermediate passes accurately and is a below 60% passer"

 

"He is more of a runner than a passer, he isn't a pure passer"

 

"He isn't any good in the red zone"

 

Now that this is something that he is doing it has changed to:

 

"He can't throw the long ball accurately, that will never change"

 

"62% is no longer acceptable in today's football, he has to be higher than that"

 

"He hasn't had that wow moment, no 300 yard games"

 

 

 

Just relax and enjoy that your team is 5 - 1 and that you have a QB that can absolutely Ball in the 4th quarter.

 

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Some here said that Tyrod was a TOP 10 QB and look how that turned out!!!

 

Wellllllllll..........you know, PFF said it too ?

No joke.  Had Tyrod at #9 or #10, right above Aaron Rodgers ?  (linked without paywall here)

lhttp://theramshuddle.com/topic/pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings/

 

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

Wellllllllll..........you know, PFF said it too ?

No joke.  Had Tyrod at #9 or #10, right above Aaron Rodgers ?  (linked without paywall here)

lhttp://theramshuddle.com/topic/pffs-2015-nfl-quarterback-rankings/

You can fact check me if you want, but I had Rodgers at 11 and Tyrod at 13 that year

[papazoid]

2 hours ago, macaroni said:

 

HIS side of the story is ….

 

He posted in this thread, someone took umbridge with his viewpoint and an "off topic" conversation started. He says (again HIS side) was that in the 30 minutes he was a member he made 5 posts spanning 2 different topics, and one of those posts was apologizing for getting off topic in this one. In the defense of the mod who shall not be named, he said he DID get a bit snarky, but never used profanity or such. The attachment below is the e-mail he received to inform him he was permanently banned. 

 

 

 

 

busted     "...you are not a new poster...."

 

my guess is 3rd generation and 2nd generation have identical writing style and IP address

[CincyBillsFan]

56 minutes ago, Socal-805 said:

 

o 7 TDs - 7 INTS

o  Josh Allen can not throw the deep ball;  this is not going to change IMO.

 

 

Why not?  Last year he threw a very accurate deep ball.  I recall a perfectly placed 55 yard pass that went through Fosters hands in the Minnesota game.  I remember another perfectly thrown 60 yard pass against NE that Foster "lost" in the sun and went right between his hands. 

 

I remember that against LA Allen completed the LONGEST pass play of the 2018 NFL season when just looking at how far it traveled in the air - which was about 64 yards.  He completed a deep, perfectly placed 75 yard TD against Jacksonville and a perfectly placed deep 45 yard TD pass against Detroit.  In the last game against Miami he had a 29 yard TD pass that was a deep throw because Foster caught it at the goal line. 

 

Hell Allen didn't overthrow the deep pass against Miami that Clay froze in place when a couple of steps would have made it an easy long TD catch.

 

I also watched multiple Wyoming games where he threw beautiful deep passes.

 

I have no idea why he's struggling to connect on the deep pass this season but there's NO reason to think he won't get over it and start hitting these deep shots.  At least if you go by what he did last year.

 

 

[macaroni]

Just now, papazoid said:

 

 

busted     "...you are not a new poster...."

 

my guess is 3rd generation and 2nd generation have identical writing style and IP address

 

 

Incorrecto oh Nostradumbass … 3rd generation is my son who is by the way a third generation fan hence the name … I on the other hand is his father, and have been a member here and on the D&C board since he was a baby.

 

As far as writing styles being identical, they very well may be similar we are both educated and articulate … but I'll never know because the powers that be won't send me (or post for the world to see) his super offending posts. 

 

And exactly HOW am I busted????

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, macaroni said:

 

 

Incorrecto oh Nostradumbass … 3rd generation is my son who is by the way a third generation fan hence the name … I on the other hand is his father, and have been a member here and on the D&C board since he was a baby.

 

As far as writing styles being identical, they very well may be similar we are both educated and articulate … but I'll never know because the powers that be won't send me (or post for the world to see) his super offending posts. 

 

And exactly HOW am I busted????

?

 

Also they're not going to post things that had to be removed and why would they pm something they removed to someone else there aren't parental settings on this board.

Edited October 21, 2019 by Warcodered

[njbuff]

It's pretty evident they are trying to teach this kid to be an NFL QB and not be what a young Steve Young was back there.

 

He has had his moments, but we should be ok with the results so far............. 5-1.

 

To me, he just needs to be calmer back there.

[benderbender]

The biggest head scratcher for me was his scramble in which he evaded 3 potential sacks and STILL didn’t throw it away. But otherwise I’d rather him overthrow a deep ball receiver than to underthrow. 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Socal-805 said:

 

o 7 TDs - 7 INTS

o  Josh Allen can not throw the deep ball;  this is not going to change IMO.

 

 

 

Except he has shown that he can do it previously.....that is the problem with this arguement.

 

He has been inaccurate with it thus far this year...however his short game has really improved.

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Except he has shown that he can do it previously.....that is the problem with this arguement.

 

He has been inaccurate with it thus far this year...however his short game has really improved.

When did he show this?

 

Last year?

No. 28 QBR in passes at least 20 yds.

No. 27 in completion percentage on long passes (at least 30 attempts) at 27.1%.

No. 19 in on-target percentages at 50.8%.

No. 1 in most interceptions on deep pass attempts with seven and only five touchdowns.

 

[Magox]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

When did he show this?

 

Last year?

No. 28 QBR in passes at least 20 yds.

No. 27 in completion percentage on long passes (at least 30 attempts) at 27.1%.

No. 19 in on-target percentages at 50.8%.

No. 1 in most interceptions on deep pass attempts with seven and only five touchdowns.

 

 

What's his QBR in passes at least 20 yards this year?

 

Where does he rank with his peers.

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, ngbills said:

When did he show this?

 

Last year?

No. 28 QBR in passes at least 20 yds.

No. 27 in completion percentage on long passes (at least 30 attempts) at 27.1%.

No. 19 in on-target percentages at 50.8%.

No. 1 in most interceptions on deep pass attempts with seven and only five touchdowns.

 

 

[ngbills]

Just now, John from Riverside said:

 

That is it? Many guys can throw the ball and sometimes people will catch it. Its about doing it consistently. You can find clips like that of guys that dont ever play a down in college let alone the NFL. 

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, macaroni said:

 

I'm not a mod or board policy or anything but I was just gonna chime in and say why can't we all get along guys?

 

We are Bills fanatics and we are 5-1 and we have people talking about how they are concerned over Josh Allen who played well yesterday!

 

I come here because I love the Bills and talking with you folks.. and occasionally calling a troll pathetic

 

But this place is very fun when things are going well and we are all getting along.. 

 

We are 5-1 folks and the city is buzzing, I talked to a pizzeria owner last night till 1AM about the Bills! He closed at 9 and wouldn't let me leave!

 

THE BILLS MAKE ME WANNA SHOUT

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

That is it? Many guys can throw the ball and sometimes people will catch it. Its about doing it consistently. You can find clips like that of guys that dont ever play a down in college let alone the NFL. 

That is not it....it is a example.

 

He threw that under direct pressure.....in stride....to a speeding receiver.

 

That shows he CAN do it......but is having issues with it at the moment.

[Dr. Who]

33 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

 

Why not?  Last year he threw a very accurate deep ball.  I recall a perfectly placed 55 yard pass that went through Fosters hands in the Minnesota game.  I remember another perfectly thrown 60 yard pass against NE that Foster "lost" in the sun and went right between his hands. 

 

I remember that against LA Allen completed the LONGEST pass play of the 2018 NFL season when just looking at how far it traveled in the air - which was about 64 yards.  He completed a deep, perfectly placed 75 yard TD against Jacksonville and a perfectly placed deep 45 yard TD pass against Detroit.  In the last game against Miami he had a 29 yard TD pass that was a deep throw because Foster caught it at the goal line. 

 

Hell Allen didn't overthrow the deep pass against Miami that Clay froze in place when a couple of steps would have made it an easy long TD catch.

 

I also watched multiple Wyoming games where he threw beautiful deep passes.

 

I have no idea why he's struggling to connect on the deep pass this season but there's NO reason to think he won't get over it and start hitting these deep shots.  At least if you go by what he did last year.

 

 

Long ball is the new completion percentage. When that gets fixed, the same folks will find the next thing.