Poll - Would you trade our 2025 1st round pick to move up in this draft to get a top WR

[Aussie Joe]

Would love to see the reaction here if Beane moved up trading 2025 first … and they ended up taking D Line …

Edited March 26 by Aussie Joe

[Virgil]

Just now, Aussie Joe said:

Would love to see the reaction here if Beane moved up trading 2025 first … and they ended up taking D Line …

Who hurt you?

[papazoid]

no....not a first rounder

 

i would'nt even use a second rounder

 

i would use a 4th.....which might move you up 2 or 3 spots

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Watkins comparisons are a bit out of place. Moving up for a WR when your QB is EJ Manuel or the like is never advisable. Not saying I’d do it, but it’s hardly apples to apples. 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Sammy seemed like a can’t miss prospect at the position and look at how that turned out. 
 

28 to 17 or 18 for our 2025 1st rounder just feels like too much to give up regardless of what the trade chart says. 

[qwksilver]

We have so many picks this year and It's such a deep class. I'd do next years 2nd, this year 4, 5 ,6 to go up to 16-19 to get Brian Thomas JR. The top 3 would cost too much for me and hopefully Beane.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

6 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

Watkins comparisons are a bit out of place. Moving up for a WR when your QB is EJ Manuel or the like is never advisable. Not saying I’d do it, but it’s hardly apples to apples. 

Not entirely.

 

Watkins was not ruined by a bad QB. He would have bust whether he played with EJ, Tyrod or Mahomes. In fact, I think his best year was with Tyrod despite having played with Mahomes. 
 

If Watkins was as advertised, he would have still been on the team Allen’s first few seasons in the league and having a positive impact on his development as young QB,  regardless of EJ busting. 
 

 

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, The Jokeman said:

No, Sammy Watkins redux 2.0. 

I don't even disagree with you but this is the worst counter argument. Different players, different team makeup, diff : decade, gm, hc, qb league offense style, roster make up etc etc etc

 

Lazy answer I see parroted non stop on here

[nedboy7]

We probably will need to draft WR again next year.  So leaning towards no.   

[BillsShredder83]

4 hours ago, MPL said:

I have this feeling that somebody drafted in round 2 or 3 will end up being the best WR in the draft class. Not saying we don't need to take one at 28, but just this premonition that if we move up, we'll end up wishing we had waited and picked a different guy. 

This wr class is thick enough with talent I'd be highly surprised if this isn't the case on any WR picked after #4. Puca Nacua and Tank just came out of this draft.

 

I agree with the premise of the point but it's all about who has best scouting staff and trusts them to follow their board (or move up when it's called for). We see this every year with top organizations... and knowing how to develop their prospects.

[BobbyC81]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

And I've mentioned this a couple times before, but imagine if Minnesota had spent a boat load of picks to trade up to Draft a higher ranked prospect instead of staying put and taking the 5th WR off the board in Justin Jefferson.

 

It's no guarantee the higher rated prospect at any position in any class is going to end up the better NFL player. It's practically irresponsible to pay a King's Ransom for a "better" WR in a class that has (in my book) EIGHT WR's with a 1st Round grade.

 

How about trading said pick, along with others, to acquire a WR that has turned into a malcontent B****, when you could’ve stayed put and taken Jefferson?

[BobbyC81]

I voted Yes but went by the post title before looking at the details.  I would trade the 2025 pick to get Harrison or Odunze, not for the other receivers.  There’s enough of them that are similar that, Yes, it could be like trading up for Sammy when you could’ve just taken Mike Evans.  #hindsight

[PrimeTime101]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Absolutely not. The draft is deep enough with talent at the position that it would make no sense to make that move IMO. This is a draft where I would let the draft come to me.

I read this every year... And then it gets to our pick and the position you want is not available do to a (in this case WR run) before our pick and we are forced to do something else. Last year we wanted a WR.. and ended up with TE. It worked out but point being... A Bigger WR run could easily happen this year before our pick... and people will be saying post draft ... we should have moved up.

 

may I remind you, many people wanted Jordan Addison last year... He would have had a 1100 yard year with the Bills easy... 

 

You see... its easy to bring up history on a bad move up/down but people have selective memories of who they wanted that would of been an amazing player to have on this team... 

 

Do i want to move up? no..

Would I be upset if we did? heck no... 

 

[Boatdrinks]

59 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Not entirely.

 

Watkins was not ruined by a bad QB. He would have bust whether he played with EJ, Tyrod or Mahomes. In fact, I think his best year was with Tyrod despite having played with Mahomes. 
 

If Watkins was as advertised, he would have still been on the team Allen’s first few seasons in the league and having a positive impact on his development as young QB,  regardless of EJ busting. 
 

 

Didn’t say he was ruined by EJ, but the team wasn’t a contender. That made the move more questionable. Watkins didn’t live up to his billing to be certain, but that is always a risk- even in the first round. My point is that one could make an argument for a move up to snag a top WR for Allen. Still not saying I’d do it, but you could make a case for it. It was more foolish than not for an EJ led Bills team. 

[Mike in Horseheads]

I voted no as I have Sammy PTSD,  are we still giving Cleveland draft picks for him?

[LABILLBACKER]

I love Odunze but moving up to the top 10 would cost next years 1st. I'd rather pray Thomas is still there around 20 and use a 4th this year and a 3rd next year. I just think Brian Thomas would be special with Josh.

[BillsFanForever19]

1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

Sammy seemed like a can’t miss prospect at the position and look at how that turned out. 
 

28 to 17 or 18 for our 2025 1st rounder just feels like too much to give up regardless of what the trade chart says. 

 

It's an overpay even on the Trade Chart. 17 is worth 296. 28 and 60 equal out to 297.

[Freddie's Dead]

You forgot the ***** No option.

[Behindenemylines]

I said no simply because I don’t believe any of the top 3/4 players will be available then.   Most of the remaining talent is a toss up IMO.   

[gordong]

yes but only one of the top couple guys. 

[Neo]

10 hours ago, QCity said:

NFW

Concise.  Emphatic.  Clear.    This is posting done right.

[H2o]

I understand people mentioning Watkins. That one didn't work out for us. But it's not a crutch for sitting on your hands if there is a supremely talented guy who gets pushed down due to other teams' needs, or people jumping up for QB's. Think about what you're saying:

 

"Oh, dear God, no. We can't trade up for a guy in 2024 because a guy in 2014 didn't work out. We should learn from that."

 

It's quite ridiculous when you think about it. You can't look at every player through your "Watkins glasses" and assume they will flop. That's your own PDSD (post draft stress disorder). Whatever Beane does, I will trust and hope for the best. But if next year's 1st would land us MHJ, Nabers, or Odunze I would be all in. 

 

 

 

 

[Sweats]

The only player i would throw draft picks on is MHJ......if that's out of the realm of possibility, then you just let it go and let the draft come to you.

[Irv]

Need DB’s not WR’s.  Done.  

[Cash]

Big time NO from me. Sammy Watkins trade 2.0. 

[JerseyBills]

Honestly have no clue. All depends on what Beane has them graded. If 1 is available that Beane n Co thinks will have a major impact than I'd def pull the trigger on that trade to have a future WR1 on this roster  

It worked out 4 years ago. 

[Mr. Irrelevant]

Moving from 28 to 18 would cost way too much.  What?  Both of this year's 4th round picks and next year's 3rd.

  

Three names illustrate why a trade up would be foolish.

Sammy Watkins.  As has already been pointed out, the trade up for him was a complete bust. 

Mike Evans, in the same draft (who is still in the league) was available, though the Bills would have also had to trade up to get him, but for much less.  Moving up from eight to six would have cost only a third-round pick.  Oh well.  Hindsight is 20-20. 

Justin Jefferson was the fifth WR taken in the first round of the 2020 draft and has turned out to be the pick of the litter.  

 

 

[Gregg]

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

This is the deepest draft at WR in some time, there is no need to move up imo. Identify your guy which Beane already said would be versatile and not necessarily be an x, o or slot WR but can play him anywhere. So who are some WR in this draft who are fast, can separate and who have played both outside and inside and those are the players we should be looking at.

 

Here is Steve Smith Sr. take on the WR class. 

 

His view of WR Xavier Leggette is interesting to me, because that was who I thought I was seeing when I watched him but to hear it from a legit boss at the position makes me like him even more imo.

Edited March 26 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014

[strive_for_five_guy]

I wouldn’t trade next year’s 1st, but if

we can get up to late teens to land Brian Thomas Jr through trading next year’s 2nd and maybe another mid-to-late round pick, I’d do it.  Think Thomas Jr would be a monster with Allen throwing to him.

[BillsShredder83]

9 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

I would never trade a future first round selection for any player outside of a QB. In the NFL where injury is so volatile no draft prospect outside of a QB (who can play for 15+ years and completely turn around the fortunes of a franchise) is worth giving up a future first round pick for. From a sheer numbers perspective if you give up multiple premium picks for a WR or DE and that player gets hurt or is a bust not only did you burn a first on them but you burnt multiple selections on that player. Any player can get hurt or be a bust so the risk far outweighs the reward of robbing Peter to pay Paul so to speak. 

 

Given how Beane's philosophy is to keep the team is to sustain a winning core to keep a window for success open as long as possible and eventually you will get lucky, I don't see him "mortgaging the future" so to speak nor would it be prudent to do so. 

Can't forget it's coat controlled at what is quickly accelerating towards the #2 highest paid position in football.

 

If you have a guy left in your tier #1 within reach you don't sit back and wait for tier 2 at a position of need.

 

Sitting still causes you to miss out on your guy, but also can compromise a strict BPA strategy. 

 

You'll never be able to afford a WR1 in FA with Josh and a team this solidly built.... if needed, spend cap resources, do it once, but be sure about it. Remember taking a stab at RB in 3rd rd 2 years in a row, to have zero #1s.....

 

Imagine spending two #1s and not getting THE guy you wanted. I'm neither for or against the idea, come up with consensus WR tiers, commit to following the rules the board dictates

[SCBills]

I would trade our RD1 this year and next, plus extra to get Malik Nabers.  I think that guy is made in a lab for Josh Allen. 

 

I'm not doing that to move up for Brian Thomas.  

[colin]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I would trade our RD1 this year and next, plus extra to get Malik Nabers.  I think that guy is made in a lab for Josh Allen. 

 

I'm not doing that to move up for Brian Thomas.  

 

i agree, except i might trade up for thomas, but not at the cost of a 1st or whatever.

 

if we add an actual star WR, someone who in 2 or 3 years is objectively better than diggs, then this team is a problem of the highest caliber.

 

in my barely informed opinion, nabers is that guy this year, and getting him might mean we traded away the 32nd pick

[strive_for_five_guy]

26 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I would trade our RD1 this year and next, plus extra to get Malik Nabers.  I think that guy is made in a lab for Josh Allen. 

 

I'm not doing that to move up for Brian Thomas.  

Based on draft value charts, trading our RD1 this year and next, that should be able to get us up to around pick 13.  And then obviously throw in a little more or get some picks back in return, if Beane really does like one of the top four WRs and one of them is slipping, maybe we can figure out a deal with someone.  If one of these guys has the potential to be an All-Pro with Josh throwing to him, I try and make the move.

 

[DapperCam]

I wouldn’t hate it if the front office identified a big drop off in talent after somebody.

 

In general with Allen on a franchise QB cap hit, we need to keep our picks though.

[billsfan89]

2 hours ago, Mr. Irrelevant said:

Moving from 28 to 18 would cost way too much.  What?  Both of this year's 4th round picks and next year's 3rd.

  

Three names illustrate why a trade up would be foolish.

Sammy Watkins.  As has already been pointed out, the trade up for him was a complete bust. 

Mike Evans, in the same draft (who is still in the league) was available, though the Bills would have also had to trade up to get him, but for much less.  Moving up from eight to six would have cost only a third-round pick.  Oh well.  Hindsight is 20-20. 

Justin Jefferson was the fifth WR taken in the first round of the 2020 draft and has turned out to be the pick of the litter.  

 

 

 

A smaller trade up I think most fans are good with even for a WR. Moving up 10 spots would probably cost you swapping pick 60 with a mid-round selection or multiple mid round selections plus a future pick. I think the issue I generally have is you should never trade away a future 1st for a non-QB player. The risk is just far too high and the reward not great enough. 

[BullBuchanan]

I'm only trading a 1st round pick to get MHJ. Anythign else is a waste. History has shown you can get the same caliber of WR from the mid-late first, all the way to the early 3rd round.

[longtimebillsfan]

No.  this draft class is too deep at wide receiver to sacrifice our #1 pick in the 2025 draft.

 

We should have learned our lesson with Sammy Watkins.

[tomur67]

If one of the top 3 receivers slides back to  somewhere in the 15-18  range I would definitely draft him.  We"re probably losing Diggs next year and odds are that next year's first round pick would probably be in the 28-32 range.  So, if we don't make the move this year, we would have to next year.  Will the WR's in the draft next year be better?

[Ballhawk]

I answered no, not because of the talent in this draft of the risks as I have no idea of there's a WR that will pan out. I'm simply looking at it from a cap management perspective, Beane needs to keep his picks and hit on many of them, this is simply the reality of having Allen on his mega contract. I'm just hoping we can follow the Patriots model of using the extra draft capital of never having to draft a QB on ever shifting complementary pieces around him.