McDermott is feeling the pressure

[freddyjj]

14 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I'm sure he does "feel the heat".  I think every HC "feels the heat", including HC who have just won the Superbowl.

 

Consider Kubiak with Denver. 
2015: not only gets to the Superbowl with The Ghost of Peyton Manning plus Brock Osweiler starting 7 games, he wins!

2016: 9-7. 

2017: Out the door. 

 

As "Son of Bum" quipped, "2 years from the Superbowl to the Unemployment Line" (and he had a #4 ranked defense that year, too).

The old Penthouse to the Outhouse career move.  

37 minutes ago, Punching Bag said:

 

He moved INTO Cleveland and being in birthplace of Superman did not help him.

Ethan got tainted by his time on the left shore of this country.  

[hondo in seattle]

1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

Is this Mrs. McDermotts burner account?

 

Shaw66 is a knowledgeable and respected poster.  Calling him Mrs. McDermott isn't respectful.  I think as brethren fans who have suffered through a 17-year drought and other trials together, I think we can do better.  

[TheWeatherMan]

52 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

how many I hate McD threads do we need?

It sure seems like there is one every 13 seconds? 

Edited March 25 by TheWeatherMan

[billsfan89]

4 minutes ago, DJB said:

Josh covers up plenty of Mcdermotts downfalls. If Sean had a mediocre QB and not a generational franchise guy he would be losing a lot more than winning and likely would have been fired.

 

McDermott is on his what 4th OC? He screwed up with Dennison and Dorsey, lost Dabol to a promotion. Hes bumbled on field decisions and blamed other coaches for losses. Hes now done the same to the players too. 

 

This is my last year with McDermott. I need a SB appearance to want him back.

He won 9 games with Tyrod at QB. I think if McD had a competent but not elite QB he is routinely a 10 win coach. His play style of playing not to lose will win a lot of games against bad and average teams.

 

There’s not many coaches in this league that can contend for more than 1-2 years without very good QB play. So saying McD needs a QB is what most coaches need.

[Bill from NYC]

13 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind.

 

I don't think that he has to worry about Beane. McDermott brought him in and imo he can fire Beane at will. McDermott runs the ship and was in charge before Beane got to town. 

 

I'm surprised to see the heartfelt support that McDermott is getting in this thread. Yes, his record is good but his quarterback is Great! I don't know, do folks think that McDermott was the only coach who could have achieved this record with Josh Allen at QB? Could no other coach have done a better job in the playoffs, or provided Josh with better tools?

 

Yeah, it's hard for me to grasp the blind loyaly but as always, jmo. 

Edited March 26 by Bill from NYC

[strive_for_five_guy]

I don’t know if McD is feeling the heat, but I just got a good pump in at the gym for anyone wondering.

[schoolhouserock]

OP calls McD many things.

 

McD says, “To say we haven't had success or Josh hasn't had success, I think would be kind of narrow-minded. It's hard to win in the NFL, so you kind of regroup every year, and you take it one game at a time.”

 

OP flips out.

 

OP, believe it or not, the people talking on your screen cannot see you.

 

 

[Punching Bag]

37 minutes ago, MJS said:

I thought Superman was born on Krypton...

Superman was created by writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster in 1932.

They shopped the character for more years than current Bills head has been leading the Bills.  

Art by Joe Shuster (1933) Imgur http://imgur.com/l6AngBO

 

Superman museum is in Cleveland and will be my first stop in that city even before watching football.

Edited March 25 by Punching Bag

[DJB]

6 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

He won 9 games with Tyrod at QB. I think if McD had a competent but not elite QB he is routinely a 10 win coach. His play style of playing not to lose will win a lot of games against bad and average teams.

 

There’s not many coaches in this league that can contend for more than 1-2 years without very good QB play. So saying McD needs a QB is what most coaches need.

That’s the one Ace McDermott has that some fans hang their hats on. Big deal he won 9 with Tyrod. Big deal our schedule was cupcake and the Jets and Dolphins were a joke that year. Even the Patriots empire wasn’t the same . We also needed a miracle play in the Ravens game for us to get into the playoffs. 
 

It was 7 years ago. It’s time we raise the bar and expectations for McDermott and he can’t live off his past laurels. 

Edited March 25 by DJB

[QB Bills]

Why mcdumbass still has a job here: Josh Allen

 

Why mcdumbass still has defenders: drought trauma

 

But yes, let's waste another year of a supernova qb while the head coach craps himself in the playoffs yet again. 

 

Maybe when Allen is 35 and plays yet another almost-perfect playoff game and the bills still lose, the team can consider a coaching change. Or maybe not.

[GoBills808]

I doubt he's feeling much pressure tbh

 

Pegula and from the replies in this thread the fanbase at large seem content w our trajectory at present which is a virtually guaranteed playoff spot courtesy of Allen and an outside chance at an AFCCG

[FireChans]

11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I don't think that he has to worry about Beane. McDermott brought him in and imo he can fire Beane at will. McDermott runs the ship and was in chaarge before Beane got to town. 

 

I'm surprised to see the heartfelt support that McDermott is getting in this thread. Yes, his record is good but his quarterback is Great! I don't know, do folks think that McDermott was the only coach who could have achieved this record with Josh Allen at QB? Could no other coach have done a better job in the playoffs, or provided Josh with better tools?

 

Yeah, it's hard for me to grasp the blind loyaly but as always, jmo. 

McDermott drafted and developed Josh Allen. His success is McD’s success.

[Freak-O]

Being biased against the coach of your team seems like a pretty stupid and negative thing to be.

[PonyBoy]

16 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I don’t know if McD is feeling the heat, but I just got a good pump in at the gym for anyone wondering.

 

Well played if it's the post I think you are referring to. 😀

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

I think you're wrong.  

 

Your evidence that he's feeling the pressure is based on you evaluation of his performance in a press conference.  He's ALWAYS been bad in press conferences.  He's uncomfortable, he doesn't like it, and he isn't good at figuring out how to give useful answers to questions without saying too much.  

 

It's ridiculous, meaning it's fair to subject you to ridicule, for you to compare McDermott to Dick Jauron.  McDermott has built a perennial top-five favorite to win the Super Bowl, and Jauron went 7-9 three years in a row before the team fell apart.  There is NO meaningful comparison.  

 

You're free to not like McDermott, but you're not going to convince anyone who knows football.  The 49ers aren't firing Shanahan and the Bills aren't replacing McDermott.  

There is meaningful comparison. Due to Allen the bar of expectations for McDermott is higher.  McDermott is unreasonably calling people narrow minded who want a higher bar than he wants. Maybe his lower bar is narrow minded.  

[soflabillsfan1]

I personally can never forgive him for "13 seconds".  One of the most embarrassing moments of all time.  Absolute squandering of the best shot we had at winning the Super Bowl.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, freddyjj said:

@Ethan in Cleveland I dunno, maybe move out of Cleveland to improve your perspective?

Have you left WNY? 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Have you left WNY? 

I’d rather die in WNY than live in Cleveland.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

24 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I don’t know if McD is feeling the heat, but I just got a good pump in at the gym for anyone wondering.

Well played. I just did 12 consults and still heading to the gym for shoulders!!!

[DrDawkinstein]

I'm no McDermott fan, but this post is missing a video of the press conference.

[section122]

48 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Reid and others have been to and won many SB’s.  McD was basically excusing the inability to sniff one. 

 

 

No he didn't. First you are way overestimating how many coaches have won the sb and are still coaching.  Here is what mcd said.

 

“I think like anything, when you talk about the Bills, whether it’s Josh (Allen), myself, our team, we’ve had so much success,” he said. “What’s left for Josh and for all of us is to take that one more step that we need to take.”

 

Saying he isn't as good of a coach as Reid is silly.  Reid might go down as one of the top 10 coaches of all time.  Is that really the bar?  

 

You have reid and mcvay who have won a super bowl in the last 5 years.  So by the bar set by many every single coach in the nfl should be fired.  I posted elsewhere but Harbaugh has a 2 time mvp qb and hasnt had anywhere near the success since he won a sb 10+ years ago.

 

McDermott is a top 5 coach in the nfl right now period. 5 playoff wins since 2018 is tied for 2nd best in the afc and 5th in the nfl.  If you go to 2020 when Josh became Josh it is tied for 3rd.  

[Nihilarian]

Bills fans who dislike the current HC because he hasn't won an SB need to get a grip on reality. So many teams have had elite great QBs and don't always get to the big dance.

 

Jim Kelly got there 4 times and didn't win one. Dan Marino got there once and never got back because Buffalo was in his way. How many did Drew Brees win, Aaron Rodgers win, and Brett Favre win? McNabb, Fouts, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Warren Moon never won one either. 

 

It is a "team" game and it takes a good offense, good defense, and a healthy team along with some good luck to even get to an SB.

 

Andrew Luck was a generational QB and the best record he ever got his team to was 11-5.

 

This franchise has taken a huge leap from what it was under the last owner and the last Buffalo HC in Rex Ryan. Think of all those bums of head coaches we Bills fans had to endure since 2000! This HC got to the playoffs with Tyrod Tylor at QB!

 

What sucks isn't the current Buffalo HC or FO, what does suck is the Kansas City Chiefs and their HC Andy Reid in the Buffalo Bills way. Otherwise, Buffalo might have been in the SB already. That and the team being plagued by defensive injuries. Exactly how many players have had an actual heart attack on the field during a game and not only survived but returned to the team? 

 

The DC that was responsible for the 13 seconds is gone and that was the year Buffalo should have gone.

 

All I can say is ...keep enjoying this QB, this HC, this GM, and what the future brings as all want to win a Super Bowl just as much as any of us. 

[dickleyjones]

If only McDermott interviewed better, we would win all the superbowls.

[NoSaint]

I’ll say at this point it should be “Josh is a generational talent and the cornerstone of our club” and not “looking to be the face of the franchise”

 

 

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I’ll say at this point it should be “Josh is a generational talent and the cornerstone of our club” and not “looking to be the face of the franchise”

 

 

people can deny it all they want but Allen and McDermott are a bad fit

[JerseyBills]

4 hours ago, julian said:

In general it’s hard to win in this league, when you have a Josh Allen it’s easier to win than 30 other teams, the truer statement is it’s hard to win a championship in this league when one side of the ball continually fails to show up in the playoffs.

 

But you won’t hear him say that because that side of the ball is his baby.

Look at a Justin Herbert though , who had a stacked roster but terrible coaching. 

McDermott is an elite HC imo and should be way more praised. He completely changed the culture and injected a mindset throughout this organization that we're championship material and yes we fell short but were a cpl plays away a cpl times

 

This team went from a laughing stock to must watch TV under McDermott 

Edited March 26 by JerseyBills

[BuffAlone]

Funny. My protologist said the same thing today. Then,he showed me magic and said "Tahdah". 

[vincec]

1 hour ago, 90sBills said:

This was how I took it as well. Until Allen takes that final step in his game I don’t think Bills can win a superbowl.

Unless Allen starts to play on defense too, I don’t think he can do much more. Allen has been good enough to win a Super Bowl for a few years now. The problem is on the other side of the ball.

[Dablitzkrieg]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

My bias against McDermott is well documented. 

Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. 

My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons. 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds. 

Then the most ridiculous statement of all. 

"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve." 

I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game. 

 

It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.

 

So what does the board think? 

For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?

For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?

I stopped after your first sentence.  I knew it was a witch hunt.  Good try though

[BigDingus]

He's right though, it is hard. And plenty of other talented teams are thinking the same thing - we should be able to win a Super Bowl!

 

Don't you think the Bengals front office is thinking "we're THIS close, just need a bit more to get over the hump!" Same with the Ravens, 49ers, Lions, Eagles, Cowboys, etc.

 

Meanwhile, only 1 out of 32 teams win each year, and the Chiefs keep being that 1 team. The odds are against you every season. A LOT has to go right. The fact that Mahomes & Co. have won 3 x SBs already, and have finished in the AFCCG at worst, shows they're a step ahead of everyone else.

 

Sometimes we act like we're the only team that can't get over the Chiefs hump, and that if we could, we'd win a Super Bowl. And because we've gotten so close, it's truly within reach! But look at the other guys:

 

Chiefs beat the Bengals by 3 points in the AFCCG in 2022

Then they beat the Eagles by 3 points in the Super Bowl.

They beat the 49ers 2 x in the Super Bowl.

They beat us 2 x in the divisional round, both by 1 score.

They beat the Ravens by a TD in the AFCCG.

 

Only Brady & the Pats in Mahomes' first season starting, and the Bengals in OT back in 2021 managed to punch through that wall. All these teams thought they were so close, but it's not that simple. So I understand that the odds are stacked against us, and that it's not as simple as drafting some good players or signing some good FA's.

 

Every team gets to draft new players & sign FA's. We need to draft smarter, be more strategic with team building, get lucky with health, coach smarter and have our players not sh*t the bed in the playoffs (like the 2023 divisional round game, Josh included). That's a lot of things we need to fall into place.

 

 

[Trev]

Definition of insanity is trying the same thing over and over with the same result. It’s like a broken record nightmare. It just keeps repeating and never ends. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Don't be shocked if after 2026 Josh demands a trade.

 

Because he doesn't want to waste his career under the Hapless McDermott 

[vincec]

1 hour ago, Don Otreply said:

The huge difference is that Jauron didn’t win sh-t, he barely had winning records, where as McDermott has won The AFCE repeatedly and goes to the playoffs annually, this coming from a fan that feels Sean plateaued /peaked as a HC with the 13 second game, and his “ vaunted” defensive scheme is ineffective against elite level teams. I think the difference between as fan like means a fan like you is I always hope for the best, and I have other hobbies…, 

I can’t believe I going to chime in for Jauron here, but what do you think their respective records would look like if we swapped Beane for Levy/Brandon, and Pegula’s deep pockets for Wilson’s? I don’t think they would be quite as different as you may think.

Edited March 25 by vincec

[CheshireCT]

2 hours ago, uninja said:

He's probably defensive because he hears the 'do or die' music playing real loud right now. The window on Josh's rookie deal is closed, he's been provided good rosters the last couple of years and has had all the tools he needs to get it done and the team keeps coming up short.

 

Him launching into that unprompted is very likely an effect of this conversation being had with him by the Bills org behind closed doors. 

 

Is he a good coach? Absolutely, he's a tremendous leader of men and a great 'get the culture right' guy.

 

Is he a Super Bowl winning coach? That one is looking increasingly more dubious.

 

 

I would argue that the "good rosters" are largely a product of the coaching staff's ability to develop players and help them play to their highest level. That's actually the largest indication of good coaching. Fans think coaching is only play calling and clock management. Those things are important too, but the real work the coaches do is in practice.

 

 

[Peter]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  

 

This is true (perhaps this would be Andy's way of repaying McD for trading the right to pick Mahomes).

 

McD would forever be known for that trade.

 

Without Josh, I can only imagine how bad our record otherwise would be. McD (and we) are VERY LUCKY to have Josh.

Edited March 25 by Peter

[Eastport bills]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

My bias against McDermott is well documented. 

Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. 

My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons. 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds. 

Then the most ridiculous statement of all. 

"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve." 

I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game. 

 

It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.

 

So what does the board think? 

For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?

For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?

I’m not a Sean supporter but he’s not going anywhere barring a total collapse( missing playoffs). To be totally objective, Sean saved his job with a fine performance in the last 8 games. He dumped Dorsey, installed Brady and got Cook and Kincaid involved in the offense. He acquired Douglas and got better play out of Dodson and Bernard. I think it’s realistic to expect improvement next season with more explosive skill players (Samuel, the 1st or 2nd rd.receiver and continued development of Cook and Kincaid) along with better DL play with Johnson, a full season with DQ and a contribution from Miller. I think our secondary will improve( Edward’s, a highly drafted safety and better use of Rapp)  The players love the guy and play hard for him. He should be commended for being bold enough to hold Josh accountable. We need Josh to have a strong HC and not have a yes man. Now some of his game day decisions have been mind blowing but hopefully he improves.

[jkeerie]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

 

Reid and others have been to and won many SB’s.  McD was basically excusing the inability to sniff one. 

 

agree the roster is setup to win. Disagree with the Mahomes issue.  Allen is a better playoff and reg season QB.  The reason we have not won is coaching related—particularly the D. 

I agree coaching is a big part...but injuries particularly on defense the last two years cannot be ignored.  Injuries happen but multiple starters at every level of the defense have had a huge impact.  Yet the Bills lost by less than 6 pts.  

[JohnNord]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

My bias against McDermott is well documented. 

Wondering how others view his post-season PC and recent interview calling critics narrow minded. He also stated its hard to win in the NFL. I recall a prior HC pilloried on this site for saying the exact same words. 

My take on the PC was that he was very defensive. Without even being asked. He launched into a defense of his tenure as coach even dating back to prior seasons. 

And now he calls critics narrow minded for wondering if the Bills will win a SB with him as HC. You have to belive at this point the thought has crossed Beane and Pegula's mind. He's trying to defend at best status quo to perhaps taking a step or two back from 13 seconds. 

Then the most ridiculous statement of all. 

"We're looking for Josh to really be that face of the franchise, like he's been, and continue to evolve." 

I mean WTF. What team has he been coaching? Does he think Hyde and Poyer were the face of the franchise?? Is he trying to lay blame on Allen? Without Allen McDermott might be coaching DBs in Kansas City.  Was Allen on the field when the defense crumbled multiple times against Denver,Philadelphia, and others. KC only stopped themselves in the playoff game. If not for a goal line fumble the Bills are not even close in that game. 

 

It may not seem that I'm open minded but I really try. I've gave McDermott praise many times last year.

 

So what does the board think? 

For those that crucified Jauron how do you take the It’s hard to win in the NFL line?

For those that defend McDermott, what do you all think?

I did not get that impression he’s on the hot seat at all.  As far as his “narrow-minded” comment what should he have said?  Obviously, they’ve fallen short of their goal but he’s trying to put a positive spin of what they accomplished rather than focusing what they haven’t.  This is textbook “growth mindset” which he always preaches.

 

As for as job security - go back and watch the locker room video where Beane enthusiastically presents him the game ball in front of the entire team.  He’s completely on the same page as McDermott.

 

Then take a look at the flailing Sabres.  Pegula probably should clean house - but he’s choosing to show an extreme amount of loyalty and patience.  There’s zero change he fires a coach who’s actually successful.  
 

Finally, do you think the NFL would put a coach on shaky ground in the competition committee?  

[JohnNord]

7 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

This is true (perhaps this would be Andy's way of repaying McD for trading the right to pick Mahomes).

 

McD would forever be known for that trade.

 

Without Josh, I can only imagine how bad our record otherwise would be. McD (and we) are VERY LUCKY to have Josh.

True… but they also deserve a lot of credit for taking a chance of Josh who many analysts predicted would be the next Christian Hackenberg or Paxton Lynch.    
 

They also did an outstanding job creating a plan to develop Josh as a QB

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, Punching Bag said:

 

Bias is understated.  I am convinced you have a life size voodoo doll.

Lol. I'm not sinister 

My wife is, but I'm not