Bill Belichick officially done in NE

[JohnNord]

Tom Brady definitely came out on top in the whole “who made who” talking point. 
 

Bill is still an excellent defensive coach but he is clueless and outdated when it comes to running an offense.  He’s also extremely consecutive in his game day approach.  In these areas it seems like the game has passed him by.
 

The problem with any team than wants to hire him is that he will require GM/roster control.   He’s operated that way for decades and has the cache to earn the right.  
 

But over the past 4 years he’s shown that he is really bad with personnel - especially offensively.  Look at the draft picks and free agents he brought to the team.  Almost none of them worked out successfully.

 

These were his solutions at QB since Brady left:

 

2020: Cam Newton/Brian Hoyer

2021: Mac Jones

2022: Mac Jones (big regressions)

2023: Mac Jones (bigger regression)/Bailey Zappe

 

The other red flag on Belichick is his approach to hiring coaches.  He seems to be very insulated and will only hire coaches he personally knows, has worked with in the past, or even his own family.  
 

It sounded like his solution to fix the offense was bringing JMD back. 

[damj]

1 minute ago, Limeaid said:

 

You need to spell that with a B like Beli-CHEAT.

Fixed. And apparently you can't use d-o-n-g

[stuvian]

wonder what his mullet-headed, runny nosed sons are going to do

[Governor]

1 hour ago, RobbRiddick said:

He has to go somewhere else and win otherwise there will always be that question about why he couldn't win without Brady. 

Something tells me he doesn’t care what twitter and Reddit think about anything.

[damj]

37 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:

So, he’s available 🤔

Walmart always is looking for new greeters.

 

His warm and charming personality would fit right in

[Fallser]

Good riddance you #######. By the way, it was Tom Brady who got you all those rings - not because of your coaching prowess.

[Punching Bag]

Just now, damj said:

Walmart always is looking for new greeters.

 

His warm and charming personality would fit right in

 

Perfect personality for return desk.

[davefan66]

10 minutes ago, Ghost_002! said:

 

 

Please point to where is the aging at exactly?

 

Their top corner who looks to be a stand out is/was a rookie 

 

Christian Barmore their D-end who came on the last few years was drafted in 21

 

Kevion white another D-end

Was drafted in 2023

 

Jabril peppers 28yr

 

Kyle Dugger strong Stafety drafted 2020(27yr)

 

Josh Uche LB. Drafted 20. (25 yes  old)

 

 

 

Not going to go through the whole roster, that would be wild, but went through some noticeably names on defense just now.

 

LB and Dline have some older guys.

 

Just not a team that is on the cusp of being good/great. Personally I’d rather take a job with a team that is closer to being good.

 

And who is the GM? Gotta be with a guy you can mesh with.

 

Have they lined up Vrabel and someone he trusts?  Who knows.  After what happened in Tennessee, I’m sure he doesn’t want that again.

[May Day 10]

59 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

NE is a good opportunity in terms of picks and cap....there is a lot of cap available for them to build a team and a high pick for a QB.  Maybe somewhere that has a QB could be thought of as better.  I do agree on the shadow thing but I think Vrabel is one who maybe can handle that.

This makes 6 coaches fired in the division since McDermott took over.

 

I guess picks and cap.  They have to build the entire thing, which can be faster than people think as long as the cap is clear.

 

The Division is tough too.  My favorite job if I were a coach is the Bears.  

 

 

Also, I think Vrabel's abilities are getting inflated right now.  He got fat on a freak superlative generational RB and his eliminated team tried hard in a couple games.  Awful division most of his tenure as well.  High floor, low ceiling type of coach.   I would be much more worried about the offensive visionary type. 

 

 

Edited January 11 by May Day 10

[Ghost_002!]

Just now, davefan66 said:

LB and Dline have some older guys.

 

Just not a team that is on the cusp of being good/great. Personally I’d rather take a job with a team that is closer to being good.

 

And who is the GM? Gotta be with a guy you can mesh with.

 

Have they lined up Vrabel and someone he trusts?  Who knows.  After what happened in Tennessee, I’m sure he doesn’t want that again.

 

Every team had aging players here and there. Obviously 53 spots to fill. But overall the pats are pretty young on defense. They got younger back 2020 in the draft. 

 

And every team is different and what every coach is looking for is different as well. Harbaugh/ BB will look for a already made roster.

 

There are other coaches who will look for a good situations/ good ownership.

 

 

And there will be coaches just happy to have a job.

 

 

The Patriots are a good situation from the stand point that they have a top pick and cap space amd good ownership.

 

That is perfect for a younger coach to come in and make it their team. Plus Varbel has already expressed interest in coaching for the Patriots. 

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

 

I guess picks and cap.  They have to build the entire thing, which can be faster than people think as long as the cap is clear.

 

The Division is tough too.  My favorite job if I were a coach is the Bears.  

 

 

Also, I think Vrabel's abilities are getting inflated right now.  He got fat on a freak superlative generational RB and his eliminated team tried hard in a couple games.  Awful division most of his tenure as well.  High floor, low ceiling type of coach.   I would be much more worried about the offensive visionary type. 

 

 

And it is entirely possible Kraft will just blow it up and start fresh with a search of all candidates not just guys with ties to Bill.  That was part of the problem with Bellichick.

[AlfaBill]

1 hour ago, Drifter said:

He did a fantastic job for decades.  Interested in seeing what he does next.

Move to Vegas  using his cheating skills in a small time poker operation. An old school casino boss catches on and lured him into the back room. 
 

[Warriorspikes51]

Do we have enough time to hire Bill as an asst coach for the playoffs? haha 

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

A good friend of mine is from Boston and is a Pats fan. He wants Vrabel (likely), and the Pats to draft the only can't-miss prospect in the draft, Marvin Harrison Jr. 

 

Harrison on the Pats would annoy me for years, regardless of which noodle arm QB they have.

 

Your friend is dumb. They need a QB.

 

It's cool to take a safe pick, but when you get the third pick and you need a QB, you take a QB; or you really fricked it up.

[Coffeesforclosers]

2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Do we have enough time to hire Bill as an asst coach for the playoffs? haha 

 

I thought the exact same thing.

 

"Special Assistant to the Head Coach for Football Research" sounds about right.

 

Hell, tell him to mend fences with Ernie Adams, and we'll get the whole damn coven back together. 

[Toyo321]

Still a defensive wiz and coach.  He will will always be one of the NFL's best coaches ever.  That can never be taken away from him.

 

Not to many coaches can say they won 6 Super Bowls and need to use both hands to wear all the associated rings.

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

I thought he was going to be promoted up to a front office job

[TheFunPolice]

1 hour ago, Strethor said:

A lot of these coach firings look like succession plans

 

 

 

Dan Quinn > Seattle

 

Vrabel > NE

 

 

 

Not sure what was going on behind the scenes but you have to wonder

 

Agreed and if you're the owner of a team and your HC wants to be somewhere else it's better to do a "mutual parting" whereby the coach doesn't just get free $ to go but he has his freedom. 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if there was back channel pressure from the league about not trying to trade head coaches, because it sort of makes a mockery of the Rooney Rule. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

[julian]

6 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

 

Agreed and if you're the owner of a team and your HC wants to be somewhere else it's better to do a "mutual parting" whereby the coach doesn't just get free $ to go but he has his freedom. 

 

I wouldn't be shocked if there was back channel pressure from the league about not trying to trade head coaches, because it sort of makes a mockery of the Rooney Rule. 

F**k the Roo….errrrr… never mind

[QLBillsFan]

1 hour ago, section122 said:

Damn i was hoping he would stay one more year.  I think Vrabel is an excellent coach and I really didn't want him to end up in new england.

Would have loved 5 more years of Hoody picking talent for the Pats. That roster is void of playmakers and a QB. Draft gives them the 3rd or 4th qb.. could end up being Josh Allen or the UCLA guy who was so bad I can’t remember his name. Vrabel to me brings the same limited O strong D approach.I hope they stay in the Patriot way legacy bucket as I think that model is flawed in the current NFL. 

[BBFL]

2 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Hope Vrabel doesn’t go there. 

Wondering if he had an official heads up. There was talk about Vrabel not being traded which leads to the question: why would you willingly acquire nothing if you’re going to terminate him anyway?

 

NE in some shape or form. 

[Virgil]

And was 0-3 in his last games against the Bills, Jets, and Dolphins.  

[BuffaloBill]

2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:

Helluva run even though he cheated.

 

 

Will be hard to say that he would have done anything without Brady.

[NoSaint]

7 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said:

Would have loved 5 more years of Hoody picking talent for the Pats. That roster is void of playmakers and a QB. Draft gives them the 3rd or 4th qb.. could end up being Josh Allen or the UCLA guy who was so bad I can’t remember his name. Vrabel to me brings the same limited O strong D approach.I hope they stay in the Patriot way legacy bucket as I think that model is flawed in the current NFL. 

yea the unspoken truth of the success of the patriot way is essentially don’t let the other 52 lose the game for you and have a qb that can win any and every game for you. 

 

but Mac Jones will lose games for you. Really, most qbs will do that. They need to acknowledge the real patriot way if they are going to fix the result 

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, May Day 10 said:

If I'm Vrabel, I'm taking a better opportunity with a smaller shadow to work in

 

Mac Jones went a couple games without an interception, and their fans and media were calling him brady and planning 6 more parades

He might get a little bit more slack with the Pats org, and the fans might be more patient with him because he’s a fan favorite.

It’s like hiring a friend at work. You might give them a little bit more leeway on performance before consider firing them vs some random person. 
 

3rd overall pick positions them nicely to get the QB they want, or even move up to the Bears spot to guarantee it.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

 

Will be hard to say that he would have done anything without Brady.

likewise hard to say he would never have gotten some other qb. 
 

he’s a great coach but great coaches need talent. It’s hard to pull a team apart and say any one member would win rings or not without the other important pieces.

[Dablitzkrieg]

 

 

[C.Biscuit97]

Honestly, it won’t be worse next year. Belichick was one of the worst GMs in the nfl. They are moving on from untalented Mac Jones and getting as high of a high pick as they have had in like 20 years. 
 

they will be better next year. Belichick should have been fired after last year and some of the moves he made.

[KingBoots8]

Think he goes to Bama?

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I thought the exact same thing.

 

"Special Assistant to the Head Coach for Football Research" sounds about right.

 

Hell, tell him to mend fences with Ernie Adams, and we'll get the whole damn coven back together. 

 

Ernie Adams did all of the research.  

[Punching Bag]

38 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said:

Will be hard to say that he would have done anything without Brady.

 

Actually he had a good season without Brady80 but not without Ernie Adams.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

[Alphadawg7]

I can see the TSW meltdown now…Bills lose to Steelers - then fire McD - then hire BB.  
 

This board would crash lol

 

Good thing we gonna smash Steelers and go on to win the SB

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

 

I thought the exact same thing.

 

"Special Assistant to the Head Coach for Football Research" sounds about right.

 

Hell, tell him to mend fences with Ernie Adams, and we'll get the whole damn coven back together. 

I can see his advice now.

 

"Have you tried cheating?"

[Punching Bag]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I can see the TSW meltdown now…Bills lose to Steelers - then fire McD - then hire BB.  
 

This board would crash lol

 

Good thing we gonna smash Steelers and go on to win the SB

 

Would stop being Bills Backers Group President.  Some changes I cannot support.

[Logic]

This makes me sad. Just as Tom Brady retiring made me a little sad.

Football is a GAME, it's entertainment, it's cinema. When the primary villains of the past 24 years of my football loving life exit stage left, it's a little bit sad.

Palpatine and Darth Vader are gone. Who will I loathe now?

One thing I will say is that I begrudgingly like and respect Bill Belichick. Tom Brady? Not so much. Still don't like that guy. But Belichick? Away from football, he's eloquent, smart, extremely knowledgeable about football, and even has a dry sense of humor that's pretty amusing. Would love to have a beer with that dude and talk football for hours.

Aaannnyway...who are the villains now? Jackson Mahomes, Jalen Ramsey, and Christian Wilkins? Am I missing anybody?


 

[Rigotz]

I hope he coaches somewhere else and continues to show that he's nothing without Brady.

[JJGauna]

10 years ago I would of rejoiced, now it’s just kinda sad.

[GETTOTHE50]