Was Allen concussed? Speculation with some circumstantial evidence.

[Einstein]

With 4:55 remaining in the 3rd quarter, Josh Allen stumbled forward and while on the ground, was hit in the back of the head by a very large and very heavy Quinnen Williams. The video of the hit is in the tweet below.

 

Circumstantial evidence:

 

1) In the video, you can see Quinnen Williams land on Allens head area. Once Quinnen rolls away, Allen raises his head for a moment, and then lowers his head back down to the turf (perhaps trying to compose himself) before getting back up. 

2) The very next play, Allen threw an interception into double coverage.

 

3) Prior to this hit, Allen was 21 of 25, 1 TD, 1 INT (84% passing)

 

4) After this hit, Allen went 8 of 16, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 Lost Fumble (50% passing)

 

Or it could also simply be coincidence. That is also possible.

 

The video:

 

 

 

Mods/@Simon - If this post is better suited within another thread, please feel free to merge. I just thought it was an interesting topic. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Einstein

[balln]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

With 4:55 remaining in the 3rd quarter, Josh Allen stumbled forward and while on the ground, was hit in the back of the head by a very large and very heavy Quinnen Williams. The video of the hit is in the tweet below.

 

Circumstantial evidence:

 

1) In the video, you can see Quinnen Williams land on Allens head area. Once Quinnen rolls away, Allen raises his head for a moment, and then lowers his head back down to the turf (perhaps trying to compose himself) before getting back up. 

2) The very next play, Allen threw an interception into double coverage.

 

3) Prior to this hit, Allen was 21 of 25, 1 TD, 1 INT (84% passing)

 

4) After this hit, Allen went 8 of 16, 0 TD, 2 INT, 1 Lost Fumble (50% passing)

 

Or it could also simply be coincidence. That is also possible.

 

The video:

 

 

 

Mods/@Simon - If this post is better suited within another thread, please feel free to merge. I just thought it was an interesting topic. 

Def possible.

 

also possible he’s trying to draw a late hit flag 

 

 

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Interesting theory.

 

Just searching for any reason to excuse away ab utterly awful 2nd half. 
 

I’ve got to imagine it’s much more likely we’re just grasping at straws to ease the pain.

[Dan in Owego]

WOW 🤔

[Aussie Joe]

Was he concussed or trying to force the ball to Diggs?

 

 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

 

I’ve got to imagine it’s much more likely we’re just grasping at straws to ease the pain.

 

Agreed. That is the most logical explanation.
 

There is quite a stark contrast pre and post hit though.

[BullBuchanan]

Doubt it. What we saw from him was his status quo. It wasn't inaccuracy or erratic behavior that caused his problems. It was well considered (from his perspective) poor decisions. You can explain each of his turnovers away through his pattern of decision making going back to college.

[PBF81]

There was another play after which he looked at the camera and it appeared that he was a little dazed.  I have no idea where it was, I'm guessing in the 1st half, but I thought then that he may have had a mild concussion.  

 

Either way, if he's not careful, play like he exhibited on Sunday's going to cost the team.  

 

 

[Einstein]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Was he concussed or trying to force the ball to Diggs?

 

Ask me again in an hour and my opinion may change. Shows how little I know 😂.

[Dan in Owego]

Not trying for excuses but I did comment sometime after the game his eyes looked glassy, like he was somewhere else. Could be possible that he got his bell rung, I just thought at the time he was on some kind of sugar high.

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, Einstein said:

 

Ask me again in an hour and my opinion may change. Shows how little I know 😂.

All good mate… I’m still in a bit of shock too 👍…

 

Whatever the reason… they better turn it around like now… these next two games are absolutely must wins ..

[Royale with Cheese]

When he first hit, I feared it but he bounced back quickly so I knew he was fine.  I’m sure we have all hit our head and was dazed for a split second…that’s what it looked like.

[Boatdrinks]

I thought at one point, not sure when , that he may have been hit in the head and fully expected him to go into the tent. He didn’t so I guess not 

[DapperCam]

Honestly, pretty solid circumstantial evidence. That was the equivalent of a rabbit punch.

[KDIGGZ]

I think he must have been concussed when he attempted a butt fumble in the 4th quarter 

[AuntieEm]

11 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Agreed. That is the most logical explanation.
 

There is quite a stark contrast pre and post hit though.

Not enough evidence but it certainly would be a valid reason for the play deteriorating by stats tracked. So it cannot be dismissed as not possible.  

 

It also would be a valid reason to bench Josh for a few plays to have the Bills staff  check him out  to be sure there.  That's we here the players themselves need to be front center when they get dinged a bit. 

[HOUSE]

This is the Best excuse I heard in 2 days

 

[BillStime]

Nah - Josh was just disappointed in the play. 

[Freddie's Dead]

There was also the play when Josh took off up the middle and #11 on the Jest made a shoestring tackle.  Josh face-planted hard.

[Bills!Win!]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

I think he must have been concussed when he attempted a butt fumble in the 4th quarter 

That was almost as bad as the butt fumble 

[GoBills808]

not for nothing but i cant believe thats not a flag

 

[Lost]

I thought the hit to the head looked kinda deliberate watching it live.  Looked like a Christian Wilkins kind of play.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

This is the Best excuse I heard in 2 days

 

this sums it up

[zow2]

I thought there was also a crushing hit in the first half where he got up with the black pellets all over his helmet. I recall his head hitting the turf hard on that one.

[pennstate10]

24 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

There was also the play when Josh took off up the middle and #11 on the Jest made a shoestring tackle.  Josh face-planted hard.

Actually,this is the play where I thought Josh was concussed. 
 

you see his head bounce off the turf. He stays down for a sec, then camera shows him with an empty ,expressionless look in his eyes. 
 

I was surprised he wasn’t pulled out of the game by the nfl observer. 

[Dick_Cheney]

Glad to finally see a thread with video about this. I believe it’s extremely possible, and maybe even likely. I want to say there was one other instance where a similar hit occurred as well. 

 

The numbers don’t lie, and personally, having a minor concussion is a much more reasonable explanation for his decision making than simply suddenly forgetting how the hell to play the position. 

 

No way that he or McD would come out and admit this, especially with how everything with Tua went down last year. 

[SCBills]

I wouldn’t rule this out.

 

I know we’re all looking for excuses, but this seems to be a potentially valid one. 

[Mango]

1 hour ago, balln said:

Def possible.

 

also possible he’s trying to draw a late hit flag 

 

 

I don’t think the flag theory is possible. Too much risk. 
 

Any reaction to a hit in the head could trigger a concussion evaluation from the booth.

 

If Allen was faking for a flag that was his first major risky decision of the night and we didn’t see a concussion. We saw the wheels start to turn for everything else that followed.  

[GoBills808]

yeah ive seen guys do that after a hit they took exception to

 

not so much trying to draw a flag but more just a moment of shock and a little anger getting hit when you didn't expect it

[Lost]

Josh is going to have to go to Judo training with Tua soon.  

 

 

[UKBillFan]

Either way it's bad. He wasn't concussed and he played bad football or he was concussed and no one pulled him out of the game.

 

The video does offer a possible concussion possibility and, even if he wasn't, he may have still be shaken up for the next play. But at the same time, he's made plays like the three interceptions and fumble when he hasn't hit his head so still needs to learn.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Doubt it. What we saw from him was his status quo. It wasn't inaccuracy or erratic behavior that caused his problems. It was well considered (from his perspective) poor decisions. You can explain each of his turnovers away through his pattern of decision making going back to college.

 

have you ever liked one Bills player?  

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

This would explain alot

[Arkady Renko]

I did wonder this. His late performance reminded me of Tua’s game last year against the Packers. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

It's possible, but unlikely. 

 

The problem is that Allen has played exactly like this in multiple games over multiple years.

 

His only diagnosed concussion was 2019 when he got knocked out of the game vs Patriots and was available the next week. 

 

If his erratic play was from an un-diagnosed concussion it seems likely that he's had multiple un-diagnosed concussions. While I think that's a possibility I think it's a pretty slim chance. 

[Sherlock Holmes]

2 hours ago, balln said:

Def possible.

 

also possible he’s trying to draw a late hit flag 

 

 

Well he ***** should've got the ***** flag, I mean what the ***** *****???

 

*****!!!

Edited September 14, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes

[artmalibu]

I think its possible..

 

Also on a different play he was tackled and he fell forwards and looked like he hit his head on the turf hard.  Shortly after that they showed him and he looked all glazed over.  

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

There was also the play when Josh took off up the middle and #11 on the Jest made a shoestring tackle.  Josh face-planted hard.

 

I believe you’re thinking of this play: 

 

 

 

[Doc]

Sure it's possible.  But only Josh knows and I doubt he's going to admit it.

Edited September 14, 2023 by Doc

[The Wiz]

So legit question, did they not flag either of those players for hitting Allen after he was already on the ground and then they jumped on the back of his head?