Matt Araiza

[Bferra13]

Just now, stinky finger said:

With what happened tonight….Punter? 
 

bad for sure but…

Well dudes getting paid a ton of money to do one thing. And he sucks at it. Like totally blows. I could argue his terrible punts cost us the game. He needs to go. We seem to be punting a lot these days so yeah, go away Mr Martin

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Bring Araiza back, martin is just a guy

 

 

[stinky finger]

6 hours ago, Bferra13 said:

Well dudes getting paid a ton of money to do one thing. And he sucks at it. Like totally blows. I could argue his terrible punts cost us the game. He needs to go. We seem to be punting a lot these days so yeah, go away Mr Martin

Punting is a byproduct of an awful offense. Let’s correct the real problem.

[uticaclub]

Another Beane whiff. I remember when someone tried to defend Beane by saying Martin was an elite signing. Lol

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 minute ago, uticaclub said:

Another Beane whiff. I remember when someone tried to defend Beane by saying Martin was an elite signing. Lol

Capaccio?

[davefan66]

Dude has fallen off for sure.  Wasn’t a train wreck early on, but last few games have not been great.

 

whatever is wrong with this team, is now affecting all aspects. Even special teams.

Araiza?  Sign him to the PS.  At the very least the pushes Martin.

[boater]

There are 32 teams and Araiza isn't playing for one of them.

 

What is keeping him out of the NFL?

 

I thought his name was cleared. I say sign him.

[Steve O]

2 hours ago, boater said:

There are 32 teams and Araiza isn't playing for one of them.

 

What is keeping him out of the NFL?

 

I thought his name was cleared. I say sign him.

Civil suit still pending 

[boater]

1 hour ago, Steve O said:

Civil suit still pending 

Araiza should be pursuing her with a Civil Malicious Prosecution case.

[gjv]

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

[teef]

one of the people you're talking about is a punter.  welcome to life.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, teef said:

one of the people you're talking about is a punter.  welcome to life.

Yeah I get it. I do wish one of the media members asked him why the difference in handling of situations. Would be curious to see how he responded.

[HomeskillitMoorman]

To be fair, Beane never condemned Araiza or anything like that, I believe he even implied that he believed him. 

[transplantbillsfan]

3 minutes ago, gjv said:

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

 

So your disappointment is in their current choice with Von or with their past choice in Araiza or with their current decision to not issue a formal public apology towards Araiza?

 

If it's their choice with Von, maybe they learned from their Araiza mistake.

 

If it's their choice with Araiza, yep, it was a mistake.  But you can understand their decision even if you don't agree with it based on the ugliness of the accusation.

 

If it's their current decision not to issue a formal public apology towards Araiza.  Really?  Is there any precedent of a team doing something like this in this situation?  It's not like Beane's decision ruined the kid's life.

[4BillsintheBurgh]

I'm happy he's not jumping to conclusions.

[H2o]

Von should be inactive. Simple. He's enough of a distraction without being on the field being a lump too. 

[Mr. WEO]

Unbelievable how some people simply cannot let go of a draft afterthought who had a cup of coffee one summer in Buffalo.

 

 

[JohnNord]

11 minutes ago, gjv said:

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

What exactly did you want Beane to do/say?  Should he have trashed Von?  Should he have released him?

[Warcodered]

11 minutes ago, teef said:

one of the people you're talking about is a punter.  welcome to life.

It's like people don't understand if we did the same thing with Von it'd still be like he was here with the massive cap hit hanging around.

[gjv]

3 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

So your disappointment is in their current choice with Von or with their past choice in Araiza or with their current decision to not issue a formal public apology towards Araiza?

 

If it's their choice with Von, maybe they learned from their Araiza mistake.

 

If it's their choice with Araiza, yep, it was a mistake.  But you can understand their decision even if you don't agree with it based on the ugliness of the accusation.

 

If it's their current decision not to issue a formal public apology towards Araiza.  Really?  Is there any precedent of a team doing something like this in this situation?  It's not like Beane's decision ruined the kid's life.

Disappointed with their rush to judgment in the Araiza case.  

 

Don't know of any precedent of a team making an apology. However, I don't believe precedence is needed to do the right thing.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

13 minutes ago, gjv said:

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

I wrote a song called “The Situations are NOT the same,” would you like to hear it? 
 

You are also judging 2 situations from different points in the legal process. This is day 6(?) for Miller, Bills knew about MA situation for a while before he was released. 

[gjv]

4 minutes ago, JohnNord said:

What exactly did you want Beane to do/say?  Should he have trashed Von?  Should he have released him?

Read the last sentence of my post.

[MJS]

I'm fine with both situations.

[JESSEFEFFER]

5 minutes ago, gjv said:

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

Some differences that matter greatly. 

 

Cutting a rookie punter that had not made the 53 has very little financial ramifications.  In Von's case, the ramifications are huge. 

 

With criminal and civil cases that were destined to wind their way through the entire 2022 season, it was clear the victim's lawyer was going to make it a media circus all the way.  That's nothing an NFL team wants to deal with.

 

We have no idea how Matt Araiza conducted himself when interviewed by the Bills' lawyers.  He may not have left a good impression.

 

In one case the alleged victim is recanting and in the other the alleged victim and her lawyer have not and the civil case goes on.

 

 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, gjv said:

Read the last sentence of my post.

MA lied to the team about that night. That is why he was released. 
 

Bills owe him zero apologies. 

[gjv]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I wrote a song called “The Situations are NOT the same,” would you like to hear it? 
 

You are also judging 2 situations from different points in the legal process. This is day 6(?) for Miller, Bills knew about MA situation for a while before he was released. 

Araiza was never arrested. 

Just now, TheyCallMeAndy said:

MA lied to the team about that night. That is why he was released. 
 

Bills owe him zero apologies. 

What's your source?

[Boatdrinks]

Araiza was a punter who never played a down in the NFL. He was on a rookie contract for a team that almost never punted. The definition of expendable. 

[Bob Jones]

Von should be suspended today, and then they should find a way to get rid of him ASAP. The Buffalo Bills don't need a wife beater on the team. As I said in another thread:

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded. Obviously, she feared for her safety, or maybe even her life.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone fact.

 

Reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that recording exists, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

The notion that she later recanted her story is not surprising AT ALL. She does not want Von to lose MILLIONS of dollars and/or be jailed, as then her life would be severely affected. DV victims do the recanting of violence from their abusers ALL THE TIME, especially when lots of $$$ is involved.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

19 minutes ago, gjv said:

Araiza was never arrested. 

What's your source?

I’ll try to dig it up, I’m 99% Bean said in a press conference. 

[JohnNord]

37 minutes ago, gjv said:

Read the last sentence of my post.

I can’t your thread got merged.  Some of us get suspended for this 

34 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Von should be suspended today, and then they should find a way to get rid of him ASAP. The Buffalo Bills don't need a wife beater on the team. As I said in another thread:

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded. Obviously, she feared for her safety, or maybe even her life.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone fact.

 

Reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that recording exists, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

The notion that she later recanted her story is not surprising AT ALL. She does not want Von to lose MILLIONS of dollars and/or be jailed, as then her life would be severely affected. DV victims do the recanting of violence from their abusers ALL THE TIME, especially when lots of $$$ is involved.

So we’re calling the victim a liar now?

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 hour ago, Bob Jones said:

Von should be suspended today, and then they should find a way to get rid of him ASAP. The Buffalo Bills don't need a wife beater on the team. As I said in another thread:

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded. Obviously, she feared for her safety, or maybe even her life.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone fact.

 

Reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that recording exists, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation (which may help or hurt VM; we don’t know yet).

 

The notion that she later recanted her story is not surprising AT ALL. She does not want Von to lose MILLIONS of dollars and/or be jailed, as then her life would be severely affected. DV victims do the recanting of violence from their abusers ALL THE TIME, especially when lots of $$$ is involved.

It also needs to be pointed out that no one has been able to confirm that she was the one who sent that text. 

[Augie]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

It also needs to be pointed out that no one has been able to confirm that she was the one who sent that text. 

 

People who rush to judgement too often rush into egg on the face. I prefer to be fair to everyone and let’s figure it out what the facts are before having a firm or vocal opinion. Sometimes things turn out to be exactly what they looked like, but sometimes there is a lot more to learn. 

[Solomon Grundy]

8 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Araiza was a punter who never played a down in the NFL. He was on a rookie contract for a team that almost never punted. The definition of expendable. 

Holding for a FG kicker that rarely missed FGs

[Doc Brown]

8 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

MA lied to the team about that night. That is why he was released. 
 

Bills owe him zero apologies. 

I don't think he lied from what I recall.  The two main reasons he was cut according to Tim Graham was Araiza's attorney lying publicly between the allegations surfacing and his release that other teams knew about the allegations before the draft.  Also (and the main reason), they needed a reliable punter that didn't have legal issues hanging over his head in a season where they had Super Bowl aspirations.  They're stuck with Von and his disastrous contract whereas they weren't stuck with Araiza besides the wasted investment of a sixth round pick.

[BillsFanForever19]

11 hours ago, gjv said:

Just finished listening to Beane's press conference. I agree with Beane's argument to keep Miller active while the Dallas police do and complete their investigation. Like Beane said, "We don't want to rush to judgment". However, he and the Bills are coming across, to me, as being very disingenuous. I'm referring to the Matt Araiza situation. Unlike Miller. Araiza was never arrested. Also unlike Miller, the Bills rushed to judgment and released Araisa. For those of you who aren't aware, Matt Araisa was exonerated of all charges. From my perspective, I think the Bills owe Matt Araisa an apology and need to invite him back to try and make the team. 

 

Matt Araiza won't be signed by anyone until the Civil Case happens and he wins it. No one will sign a Punter who has a legal case involving sexual assault, regardless of what the cops have said. The proof is in the pudding. Not only are we not touching him, not a single team in the NFL has gave him so much of a whiff, outside of the Jets giving him a simple tryout.

 

If you have (the former HBO) Max, watch the Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel episode they did with him and this story. Andrea Kramer talked to GM's across the league and most said he's untouchable because of the public perception, possible backlash, and the position he plays.

 

You may feel he deserves an apology and a second shot and you aren't alone in feeling that way. But the situation just is what it is. Even after he wins his case, his reputation is forever tarnished. However unjustly that fact is. And no one is willing to deal with even the remote chance of controversy when it comes to a Punter.

Edited December 7, 2023 by BillsFanForever19

[Your Brown Eye]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/civil-suit-dropped-against-former-san-diego-state-punt-god-matt-araiza-193154343.html

[Fleezoid]

Is that workout with the Jets over yet? He's got to be exhausted by now. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Fleezoid said:

Is that workout with the Jets over yet? He's got to be exhausted by now. 

Only because Zach Wilson took him in tow, and they hung out on the benches, across from the beauty parlour at the mall.

[KDIGGZ]

Looks like Martin has a boo boo. Do we have Punt God on speed dial?

 

Anyone worried about the FG holding, Bass can't make a kick anyhow.

Edited January 16 by KDIGGZ

[Niagara Dude]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

Looks like Martin has a boo boo. Do we have Punt God on speed dial?

 

Anyone worried about the FG holding, Bass can't make a kick anyhow.

They need a punter,  you can't afford to have 30 yard punts against KC