BillsFanForever19 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The kid was screwed by this organization. They should have put him on non injury leave and paid him until this played out. They couldn't. Since the incident occured before he was Drafted, the only options they had were to keep him a rostered member of the team or cut ties. There was no option for an Exemption from the league. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: They couldn't. Since the incident occured before he was Drafted, the only options they had were to keep him a rostered member of the team or cut ties. There was no option for an Exemption from the league. Ah gotcha. I still would have like them to state "innocent until proven guilty". Instead they caved to "me too" and media pressure. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Ah gotcha. I still would have like them to state "innocent until proven guilty". Instead they caved to "me too" and media pressure. They did state it was innocent until proven guilty and that it was a hard decision for them to make. I think there was more than just the pressure from media and fans that went into it as well. The fact that he knew this was going on and didn't say anything about it was also a factor. But the bottom line is they couldn't play him with what was going on. And they couldn't get an exemption. So they would have had to use 2 roster spots on Punters until he was cleared, without knowing if he would be. And you just can't do that, especially at the Punter position. Regardless of his name being cleared by law enforcement, as long as the civil case is still open and it's still hanging over his head, no one is going to give him a shot. If he played a more important position, maybe. But he hasn't gotten an opportunity because this hasn't fully gone away yet. https://www.kpbs.org/news/public-safety/2023/09/15/judge-denies-matt-araizas-request-to-hold-rape-lawsuit-trial-next-month Now... if Sam Martin continues to be hot and cold and if Araiza's trial is completed with a not guilty fully clearing his name and being done with everything and if Araiza wants to come back here - maybe they would bring him to camp next season. Because there is an Out in Sam Martin's deal after this season. But that's the soonest you'll see it, if ever, @Buffalo Barbarian https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/sam-martin-12447/ Edited November 7, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: "It has since emerged that the evidence does not add up to the accusations based on what the San Diego County District Attorney's office has revealed. It seems that the punter was not present at the time the act took place and the criminal charges against him have been dropped. " https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/matt-araiza-update-where-is-former-bills-punter-now/ar-AA1iWiwQ The Bills should bring him back, never really liked Sam Martin. So many teams now have a punter that can flip the field with booming punts and Martin is not that. I saw video of his accuser and the whole thing was a take down for money. Even if the season does not go anywhere it would be nice to give Matt another chance and see what he can do 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 One week ago, Sam Martin had the best punting game of the year in the NFL; this week, we're ready to ditch him. People? Special teams players of the week Sam Martin, punter, Buffalo. In an odd way, Martin had one of the most impactful games a punter ever could have Thursday night against Tampa Bay. Amazing that Martin is in here, seeing that he never booted the football for the first 39 minutes of Buffalo’s 24-18 win. His first punt, with 20 minutes left in the game, pinned Tampa at its 3-yard line. His second punt, with 14 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 4-yard line. His third punt, with 10 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 8-yard line. Crazy thing: Martin did it one more time, and the ball was hanging in the air at the 1-yard line, and the Buffalo gunner couldn’t bat it back into play. 6 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Sure. Bring back the punt g-d! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 55 minutes ago, CSBill said: One week ago, Sam Martin had the best punting game of the year in the NFL; this week, we're ready to ditch him. People? Special teams players of the week Sam Martin, punter, Buffalo. In an odd way, Martin had one of the most impactful games a punter ever could have Thursday night against Tampa Bay. Amazing that Martin is in here, seeing that he never booted the football for the first 39 minutes of Buffalo’s 24-18 win. His first punt, with 20 minutes left in the game, pinned Tampa at its 3-yard line. His second punt, with 14 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 4-yard line. His third punt, with 10 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 8-yard line. Crazy thing: Martin did it one more time, and the ball was hanging in the air at the 1-yard line, and the Buffalo gunner couldn’t bat it back into play. You new here? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Niagara Dude said: The Bills should bring him back, never really liked Sam Martin. So many teams now have a punter that can flip the field with booming punts and Martin is not that. I saw video of his accuser and the whole thing was a take down for money. Even if the season does not go anywhere it would be nice to give Matt another chance and see what he can do Now would be nice. Put him on the practice squad so he can be back around the team. Get all the media scrutiny out of the way now. Make a wrong, right. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Punter is the least of our issues. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 This ship has sailed…. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Now would be nice. Put him on the practice squad so he can be back around the team. Get all the media scrutiny out of the way now. Make a wrong, right. I agree, Martin is not the answer. Our special teams has been terrible most of the season and we are always losing the field position game 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 2 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said: The kid was screwed by this organization. They should have put him on non injury leave and paid him until this played out. Kid was screwed by at least half this board and public opinion, versus letting all of the facts play out. If people don’t recall, Beane’s hand was essentially forced, some here saying he took too long to act. 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said: I agree, Martin is not the answer. Our special teams has been terrible most of the season and we are always losing the field position game Araiza seemed like a good placeholder for Bass and could be a backup kicker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Only bad teams punt. So definitely bring him in. 🤣🏋️♂️🦬🏈 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Sam Martin has been above average overall and that’s plenty fine enough for me. Cutting him would result in almost $1MM in dead cap. Do I want to take that to potentially slightly upgrade our punter with a guy who is currently on the street? No. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 my favorite thread of the last 3 years was the pitchfork thread for this guy. probably the largest thread in this place over the last 3 years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 It all started going south once the Araiza stuff happened. Maybe we can right the ship. Bring him back 23 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Araiza seemed like a good placeholder for Bass and could be a backup kicker Not to mention that Bass has missed more this year than previously has he not? So maybe Martin is losing it at holding as well. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Jones Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, davefan66 said: Ok, dude would kill the ball from the 10 yard line and net over 50. Fine. Just wait until he is asked for a shorter coffin corner punt and he fails. Will there be “bring back Martin threads”? How do you know that MA hasn’t been working on that part of his game? I mean, he’s had a lot of free time, so I would assume that he’s not just sitting on the couch watching MeTV. And of course you can’t deny that he has one of the strongest legs in recent years. You did see that 80 yarder during the preseason, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 7, 2023 Author Share Posted November 7, 2023 47 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Kid was screwed by at least half this board and public opinion, versus letting all of the facts play out. If people don’t recall, Beane’s hand was essentially forced, some here saying he took too long to act. There’s a few major Bills accounts/groups that I will never support or follow due to how they acted during this. Absolutely shameful how some in this fanbase treated this kid. 2 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Would definitely solve all our problems. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) I think Araiza got done wrong by all parties involved including the Bills. That said why would he even give the Bills the time or day since they chose to kick him to the curb instead of standing by him! I wouldn't blame him one bit for ignoring the Bills and giving them the middle finger! Edited November 7, 2023 by LarryMadman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 50 minutes ago, mrags said: It all started going south once the Araiza stuff happened. Maybe we can right the ship. Bring him back Not to mention that Bass has missed more this year than previously has he not? So maybe Martin is losing it at holding as well. I would respect the Pegulas now that Araiza has been completely vindicated if the reports are true, to give him an opportunity. I don’t know if he has the directional ability to pin the ball close to the end zone based on where we are on the field. He definitely has the leg to boom it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, davefan66 said: Ok, dude would kill the ball from the 10 yard line and net over 50. Fine. Just wait until he is asked for a shorter coffin corner punt and he fails. Will there be “bring back Martin threads”? His career went into a coffin. Maybe he picked that up along the way… In all seriousness, a punter isn’t changing this season. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Hard pass -- just because he wasnt found guilty does not mean he was found innocent. Prosecuters declined to go after him based on single eye witness testimony from one of Arizas friends. So no one even had a chance to weigh his guilt really 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) NO. We've got enough problems as it is, and punter isn't one. 🙄 Edited November 7, 2023 by EasternOHBillsFan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Martin stunk the other night, but he is pretty darn good at those pooch punts inside the 10. That's probably more valuable than punt god 65 yarders with 20 yard returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 hours ago, CSBill said: One week ago, Sam Martin had the best punting game of the year in the NFL; this week, we're ready to ditch him. People? Yes because Bills fans are more reactionary than Iran. 17 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said: Hard pass -- just because he wasnt found guilty does not mean he was found innocent. Prosecuters declined to go after him based on single eye witness testimony from one of Arizas friends. So no one even had a chance to weigh his guilt really There’s a reason no other team has touched him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, boyst said: my favorite thread of the last 3 years was the pitchfork thread for this guy. probably the largest thread in this place over the last 3 years. I got lynched by the mob on their way to Araiza, I defended him like no other, told everybody it was how it was and almost nobody cared. I have a lot of Crow waiting to cram down their throats! 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: I got lynched by the mob on their way to Araiza, I defended him like no other, told everybody it was how it was and almost nobody cared. I have a lot of Crow waiting to cram down their throats! Dude, we don't care about a punter. You're talking about a PUNTER. We're Bills fans, not Aztec fans or Araiza fanboys. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Dude, we don't care about a punter. You're talking about a PUNTER. We're Bills fans, not Aztec fans or Araiza fanboys. Speak for yourself ****boi,, we're here to support Araiza, deal with it and eat your Crow! Edited November 7, 2023 by Sherlock Holmes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 What's Brian Moorman doing? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Speak for yourself ****boi,, we're here to support Araiza, deal with it and eat your Crow! LMAO OK, we being the small group of a couple of people still trying to save the Houston Oilers. 🤡 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 I remember when the Bills led the league in fewest punts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsFan692 said: Hard pass -- just because he wasnt found guilty does not mean he was found innocent. Oh sure. He was cleared but let's never hire this talented young man for the rest of his football life. In this case, never mind the Bills, why isn't he hired somewhere in the league? He is a free agent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Oh sure. He was cleared but let's never hire this talented young man for the rest of his football life. In this case, never mind the Bills, why isn't he hired somewhere in the league? He is a free agent. The civil trial is still hanging over his head. No team will touch him until that case makes its way through the court system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 7 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Oh sure. He was cleared but let's never hire this talented young man for the rest of his football life. In this case, never mind the Bills, why isn't he hired somewhere in the league? He is a free agent. I recall he had a workout with the Jets, but no other action I can remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 18 minutes ago, Jerome007 said: Oh sure. He was cleared but let's never hire this talented young man for the rest of his football life. In this case, never mind the Bills, why isn't he hired somewhere in the league? He is a free agent. 'Cleared'.... el oh el Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, CSBill said: One week ago, Sam Martin had the best punting game of the year in the NFL; this week, we're ready to ditch him. People? Special teams players of the week Sam Martin, punter, Buffalo. In an odd way, Martin had one of the most impactful games a punter ever could have Thursday night against Tampa Bay. Amazing that Martin is in here, seeing that he never booted the football for the first 39 minutes of Buffalo’s 24-18 win. His first punt, with 20 minutes left in the game, pinned Tampa at its 3-yard line. His second punt, with 14 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 4-yard line. His third punt, with 10 minutes left, pinned Tampa at its 8-yard line. Crazy thing: Martin did it one more time, and the ball was hanging in the air at the 1-yard line, and the Buffalo gunner couldn’t bat it back into play. Yeah but he doesn't have a cool nickname! Honestly I'm willing to be wrong but I'd rather flip the field then coffin kick, and maybe the kid can get it under wraps. It really should be no surprise that fans want something "exciting" at a boring position. Not even saying their right, but it's not illogical either 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 Araiza's civil trial wont be until February next year. So he will have to wait until then to have any chance of an NFL comeback. There's a good chance that he will be exonerated at that trial too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 6 hours ago, davefan66 said: Ok, dude would kill the ball from the 10 yard line and net over 50. Fine. Just wait until he is asked for a shorter coffin corner punt and he fails. Will there be “bring back Martin threads”? nope, if you are that close with this offense, you go for it. 33 minutes ago, prissythecat said: The civil trial is still hanging over his head. No team will touch him until that case makes its way through the court system ridiculous. The Civil Trial is a money grab with a lower standard of proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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