Mikie2times Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? 8 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Just now, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? This will be hard I’m expecting Dalton to get around 600 yards and 5 TDs as I am taking Coach at face value about not having Josh do as much….translation a little more of a balanced attack and quick throws to the receivers to do things after the catch. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? I think it’s actually possible. I think he has 3 more games than Ditka did. Also, Kincaid has a winning combination of being a great receiver, the team not concerned about him being a good blocker and an excellent QB and passing offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 minutes ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? Question - Will there need to be a asterisk put by who ever breaks it because of the amount of games played when Ditka did it ? I would hope that if a modern day TE did break his record that has stood for so many years that they could break the record in either the same or a lessor amount of games than Mike did then there wouldn't have to be any excuses like the ones that say the RB's didn't break the 2K record in 14 games like OJ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 will be fun to see a long standing record beaten by 500 yards. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 With Josh Allen it’s possible. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 5 minutes ago, T master said: Question - Will there need to be a asterisk put by who ever breaks it because of the amount of games played when Ditka did it ? I would hope that if a modern day TE did break his record that has stood for so many years that they could break the record in either the same or a lessor amount of games than Mike did then there wouldn't have to be any excuses like the ones that say the RB's didn't break the 2K record in 14 games like OJ . Yeah, I agree. The record should be average yards per game instead of total yards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) I mean, anything's possible. But I have to imagine Ditka was the #1 Pass Catcher on that offense. Going to be hard to duplicate those kind of numbers when you're playing on a team with Stefon Diggs amongst other viable targets. Edited May 3, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPL Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 This is getting out of hand. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 3, 2023 Author Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, MPL said: This is getting out of hand. What? I don't think he has a chance. 62 years says as much. I wanted to get a sanity check on the outlook. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 17 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Yeah, I agree. The record should be average yards per game instead of total yards. With a minimum number of games played in a season to qualify. Remember when we weren't even on the yards per punt charts due to lack of participation? Good times. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? If Kincaid breaks that record, we are retooling the entire receiver corps next year. I see zero chance of it. If he breaks 40 catches, I’ll be pleasantly surprised. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ya Digg? Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, T master said: Question - Will there need to be a asterisk put by who ever breaks it because of the amount of games played when Ditka did it ? I would hope that if a modern day TE did break his record that has stood for so many years that they could break the record in either the same or a lessor amount of games than Mike did then there wouldn't have to be any excuses like the ones that say the RB's didn't break the 2K record in 14 games like OJ . Answer: No. to me that’s an argument made by older fans to try and hold onto something. It’s the same thing as when people say “when men played like men.” If he breaks the rookie record it doesn’t matter how many games he played. Elite athletes back in Ditka’s time had a major advantage that todays players don’t. They weren’t always going up against other elite athletes. If Kincaid breaks it now, he’s doing it against much tougher competition so doing it in more games kinda washes each other out 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? NO. Unless we 100000% change our playbook, I have our TE going 600-700 yards max the first year. And I am sure some on these boards will go flip with me just by throwing out those numbers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 That Ditka owns this record is amazing. He played a 14-game season back when running backs still ruled the gridiron. Even with 3 extra games, I don't think Kincaid will come close. Josh has too many weapons. Diggs may be a future HOFer... Shakir and Knox will get their share... 2 of our 4 backs are legit receiving threats - if Dorsey decides to use them... I even like our backup wideouts this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Possible? Of course. Probable? I don't think so. It would mean the coaches completely lose confidence in Knox as a receiver early on in the season and Dorsey has to be inclined to incorporate tight end as a far more integral part of the offense than he did last season. It's likely that pass receptions by tight ends will increase quite a bit because of Kincaid, but I don't think that the Bills thought poorly of Knox in the past. I think they still like Knox. I think the modest contribution by Knox compared with some lofty expectations of Kincaid, have more to do with Dorsey's philosophy than any opinion in the organization about Knox. So it's Dorsey's philosophy that has to change for Kincaid to reach lofty levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? I think its a highly unlikely he can break that record, doesn't feel realistic without injuries playing a role in it. Not because of ability, but I don't think he will get enough touches with how deep the offense is. From wanting to run the ball more than last year, getting our RB's also involved in the pass attack more and all the mouths we have to feed as receiving targets at WR and TE...I just don't see him getting enough targets. I think a more realistic good season from him will be more in that 600-700 yard range given all the weapons on this team right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Ditka could also be the most successful coach among superstar athletes. Extremely rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 minutes ago, Charles Romes said: Ditka could also be the most successful coach among superstar athletes. Extremely rare. Most overrated coach of all time. Only one Super Bowl win and appearance with that defense is pathetic. Horrible coaching job with the Saints. Hell of a player though. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 (edited) If they play him in the slot day 1 he for sure has a chance, there is alot of mouths to feed but he will get a ton of mismatches there. Edited May 3, 2023 by BuffaloBillsGospel2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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T master Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Ya Digg? said: Answer: No. to me that’s an argument made by older fans to try and hold onto something. It’s the same thing as when people say “when men played like men.” If he breaks the rookie record it doesn’t matter how many games he played. Elite athletes back in Ditka’s time had a major advantage that todays players don’t. They weren’t always going up against other elite athletes. If Kincaid breaks it now, he’s doing it against much tougher competition so doing it in more games kinda washes each other out Never really thought of it that way it does put a totally different spin on my thoughts that i put in my reply & you make a very good point sir ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iccrewman112 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 3 hours ago, 1ManRaid said: With a minimum number of games played in a season to qualify. Remember when we weren't even on the yards per punt charts due to lack of participation? Good times. I think it should just be average yards per games in season. Total yards/17 games weather you play them all or not. availability matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Will Josh target him 130 times? Possible. Will Kincaid stay healthy? Possible. Will Kincaid catch 90 balls? possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 No, I don't think he has a chance. But... you never know, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsNutHawaii Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 4 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Most overrated coach of all time. Only one Super Bowl win and appearance with that defense is pathetic. Horrible coaching job with the Saints. Hell of a player though. Most overrated coach of all time. Not even one Super Bowl win with that offense is pathetic. Horrible coaching job with the Chiefs too. Hell of a historian though. (Guess who?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 8 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 It’s very hard for a TE to transition to the NFL they have a lot to learn in a short period of time with that being said I believe Kincaid gets around 800yds at best with 7TDs . I fully expect him to play around 60% of the snaps and that won’t be enough to get him to around 1100yds . The Bills will use a bunch of different formations this yr and I also expect Harty, Sherfield , Hines, Cook & Harris to be featured as well in this offense. I predict Kincaid averages around 6 targets per game that’s 102 targets total he’ll catch about 70 balls at around 11yds per catch for about 770yds that would be a great rookie yr for him or any TE for that matter. I also believe his impact on this offense will be much more then just stats he will open this up for everyone and he’s gonna be a first down machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 1 hour ago, BillsNutHawaii said: Most overrated coach of all time. Not even one Super Bowl win with that offense is pathetic. Horrible coaching job with the Chiefs too. Hell of a historian though. (Guess who?) Ditka and Levy are both overrated. Levy made it to four straight Super Bowls though which has never been done before or since. Ditka won one and then Buddy Ryan left. Then he went 15-33 with the Saints before getting the ax. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAinLack. Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? Yes and Rookie of the Year also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 6 hours ago, The Wiz said: HA HA HA HA HA HA and I thought my Giph's were bad ha ha ha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 10 hours ago, LEBills said: I think it’s actually possible. I think he has 3 more games than Ditka did. Also, Kincaid has a winning combination of being a great receiver, the team not concerned about him being a good blocker and an excellent QB and passing offense. He won't sniff 1000 yards with Diggs on this team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: Will Josh target him 130 times? Unless Diggs gets hurt, no way this is happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 If he broke the record (which he won't even get half way there) it would be because he never lines up as TE. People need to stop calling this guy a TE. The asterisk would be needed not be needed because of the number of games but it would be needed because he really isn't a TE. And in fact if he turns out to be successful when his next contract is due his agent will argue he should be getting 5th year extension based off of a WR not a TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 13 hours ago, KzooMike said: I always thought this was one of the more remarkable stats in NFL lore. With the massive advancement in the passing game and more games being played, 62 years later, Mike Ditka STILL holds the record for TE receiving yards by a rookie at 1,076. Kyle Pitts would have broken the record if it wasn't for injury. Kyle Pitts was also one of the best TE prospects of all time. To think about how many elite TE's the league has seen the last 62 years. It really is remarkable that this record has held up. Do we think Kincaid has a chance? No shot unless Diggs misses a considerable amount of time. 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Most overrated coach of all time. Only one Super Bowl win and appearance with that defense is pathetic. Horrible coaching job with the Saints. Hell of a player though. He was the head coach of one of the most dominant teams in history and won a super bowl. I wouldn't put him on mount rushmore, but 7 10 win seasons in 11 years in chicago is pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 It’s possible because he has better hands than Gabe and Knox. Especially if Josh develops trust in him early in the season. But if he did break that record, there’d probably be controversy over whether Kincaid is really a tight end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 2 hours ago, HOUSE said: When the Bills throws to a tight end more then 5 times per game it's time for a big ass party. He won’t be playing the classic TE position. He’ll be more of a slot receiver. With that said there is very little chance of him breaking 1000 yards. If he gets 600 with 6 TDS I’d be very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 Mike Ditka was like an old-time fullback playing tight end. He was a total beast. I would guess that a lot of his yards were YAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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