Per Shefty - Bills “expected to lose” Poyer and Edmunds

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

We’re gonna miss Tremaine more than most think.  Good thing McBeane drafted his replacement last year 🙄

[Patrick Duffy]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Yes. As a matter of fact I remember the day, posting on the board as everyone was trying to figure out how we could pay him the expected $14-15M/yr, and everyone was pissed he was going to walk. And then the tweet hit that he signed at $11M. But most of us expected he was gone.

 

I get it....I'm just saying me personally I felt confident they would work out what was needed and Milano wasn't going anywhere.

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[ngbills]

We dont need Edmunds. With that money we can keep Taiwan Jones, Matakevich, Klein and Marlowe.

13 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

I think Edmunds is going to be disappointed the market won’t pay him

We will see. I expect he will get a big contract. Not a ton of guys with his age, measurables, and experience. Someone will pay. 

[NewEra]

29 minutes ago, Bigvinny said:

Nobody fears the Bills defense. They need a nasty dude in the middle. 

Like Mixon said, they ain’t the ravens.  He wasn’t wrong 

[Success]

14 minutes ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

We’re gonna miss Tremaine more than most think.  Good thing McBeane drafted his replacement last year 🙄

 

We will.  He was criticized here quite often - but he was an impactful player.  We can't really replace him, but if we get a capable LB in FA or the draft, we'll be okay.  Personally, I haven't given up on Bernard yet.

 

 

[boyst]

32 minutes ago, Bigvinny said:

Nobody fears the Bills defense. They need a nasty dude in the middle. 

Mixon? 

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6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

We dont need Edmunds. With that money we can keep Taiwan Jones, Matakevich, Klein and Marlowe.

We will see. I expect he will get a big contract. Not a ton of guys with his age, measurables, and experience. Someone will pay. 

You joke about those 3 but they are as important as others we drafted.  I'd take any of those 3 over AJE, Basham, etc. It was telling we had to bring In Marlowe and Klein for depth. 

[Reed83HOF]

2 minutes ago, boyst said:

Mixon? 

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You joke about those 3 but they are as important as others we drafted.  I'd take any of those 3 over AJE, Basham, etc. It was telling we had to bring In Marlowe and Klein for depth. 

And sign Beasley and brown as off the street wrs

[teef]

what next?  they'll be telling us we're not getting a dome on the new stadium???   @mrags

[SCBills]

I enjoy the random commentators on these networks bemoaning the fact we've moved on from Frazier, likely losing Poyer and Edmunds.. meanwhile most who follow the team think the organization finally "gets it", provided this speculation comes true. 

[boyst]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

And sign Beasley and brown as off the street wrs

The point is lost that we drafted poorly for depth and skill to try to strike gold in late round potential, early round luxury picks, etc.  Basham,the Clemson LB, Shakir, etc are examples 

[ROCBillsBeliever]

Ralph is cheap!

 

[Charles Romes]

20 minutes ago, ngbills said:

We dont need Edmunds. With that money we can keep Taiwan Jones, Matakevich, Klein and Marlowe.

We will see. I expect he will get a big contract. Not a ton of guys with his age, measurables, and experience. Someone will pay. 

I expect he’ll sign somewhere else for 14-15. As Beane suggested tagging at 21 was not an option because the tag level was dragged up by the edge rushers.  Still 14-15 ought to buy you a reliable OLman if you do your homework. 

Edited March 8, 2023 by Charles Romes

[mjd1001]

I'm fine with it if they lose both.  I'd prefer they find a way to keep Edmunds, but if the production they get is less than what they pay, let him go just find a replacement.  Poyer I have no problem with at all.  I'm not saying a rookie or free agent will be BETTER than him, but even at a supposed 'cerebral' position like Safety, the NFL has changed just in the past few years where you might be better off with more youth and speed/athleticism on your back end than someone who is a 'decent' athlete but who's strength is above the shoulders.

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I've been pretty big on keeping Edmunds - but I'd also be okay if we used that money elsewhere. They can probably get another effective LB for half the price; not as impactful as Edmunds, but we don't necessarily need that if we shore up other areas.

 

 

I agree completely. I want to keep Tremaine, but would it be better to have him, or sign both Okereke and Nate Davis for the same price.

[sven233]

When you have a defensive minded coach that has the reputation that McDermott has, it should be expected that you get a little extra boost with scheme and coaching. Obviously talent and players are important, but when you specialize on that side of the ball, you should not need top payed players at every position to make your defense work. To this point, I think more has been invested into players, both money and picks, on the defensive side of the ball than should have been necessary to put a respectable defense on the field. 

 

I think the organization has the right idea on offense. It's a big play, passing league and that's what they've been trying to do scheme wise which is great, but with so much invested on the defensive side of the ball, they just haven't had the horses on offense to execute the way they need to. So it's time to shift some focus to the offense and give the scheme they want to run a shot to do so. That starts up front on the line and making sure Allen doesn't have a dude in his face a split second after the snap. Hard to push the ball down the field when you're constantly just trying to avoid garbage in the backfield and trying to read a defense at the same time. So get some real lineman in here and give Allen a chance to read what's actually going on.

 

Then, of course, get him more receiving help. We need speed and guys that can actually hold onto the ball. Right now Diggs is the only player besides Allen that defenses have to fear. If you can't add at least another one or two guys on offense that defenses actually respect, then it will remain difficult to move the ball consistently. Yes, we had a good scoring offense last season statistically. But a lot of that was because we have a freakshow at QB that can cover up for so many other mistakes. It's time to make Allen's job easier. That can be done by letting some of the higher priced defensive players walk and investing more resources into the offense while hoping your defensive guru coach can make up for some of the lack of superstars on defense and put a solid defense on the field regardless. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, Success said:

I've been pretty big on keeping Edmunds - but I'd also be okay if we used that money elsewhere. They can probably get another effective LB for half the price; not as impactful as Edmunds, but we don't necessarily need that if we shore up other areas.

 

 

This right here. But they gotta get a few clear upgrades, not band-aids.

[nucci]

didn't see this coming. Great reporting

[KDIGGZ]

Poyer used to play for Cleveland. He should know the grass isn't always greener. Edmunds doesn't know anything other than being on a playoff team. Send him to Chicago or Houston and he can get his $ and be miserable 

 

I agree to spending the money on the offense. Get a big time #1b receiver like Hopkins and score more points to make up for the lack of a defense 

[nucci]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

Poyer used to play for Cleveland. He should know the grass isn't always greener. Edmunds doesn't know anything other than being on a playoff team. Send him to Chicago or Houston and he can get his $ and be miserable 

why are you against these guys? Most likely Bills are not offering contracts so it's not like they're leaving because they want to. Plus you can't "send" them anywhere

[Mark Vader]

1 hour ago, BuffaloRebound said:

I could still see Poyer returning.  Edmunds will get a lot more money somewhere else.  

I think Poyer returns only if other teams are not willing to pay him what he wants.

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, BruceVilanch said:

We were expected to lose Milano too. I will wait until everything shakes out before I start worrying. 

 

Milano is actually good though.   Tremaine is replaceable with one of the other 5 ILBs on market.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, Mark Vader said:

I think Poyer returns only if other teams are not willing to pay him what he wants.

 

I think if all things are equal, he will choose sun and tax-free, unless the offers are really terrible. 

[KDIGGZ]

Just now, nucci said:

why are you against these guys? Most likely Bills are not offering contracts so it's not like they're leaving because they want to. Plus you can't "send" them anywhere

Milano took less to stay with Bills. Shaq and Big Phil went elsewhere and saw it's not all about the money and came back. At the end of the day what's the difference between having 50 mil and having 55 mil when it comes to happiness and being on a competitive family first team? These guys are stupid rich either way

[wppete]

Sad to see Tremaine leave after investing a first round pick and 5 years of development. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, KDIGGZ said:

Milano took less to stay with Bills. Shaq and Big Phil went elsewhere and saw it's not all about the money and came back. At the end of the day what's the difference between having 50 mil and having 55 mil when it comes to happiness and being on a competitive family first team? These guys are stupid rich either way

 

Edmunds will be fine wherever because of the type of athlete he is, people will find a way to use him. Poyer will not be okay if he leaves. He will regret leaving after he gets the bag and rides off into the sunset. Scheme fit is paramount for Poyer imo. 

[CNYfan]

1 hour ago, BadboyBills said:

We and the Cheaters should get a comp pick then.

*Pats may get Edmunds

[GunnerBill]

I wonder what Tremaine's number is. 

[Mark Vader]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I think if all things are equal, he will choose sun and tax-free, unless the offers are really terrible. 

This is quite possible. He may not get exactly what he wants, but be satisfied if it's fair.

[nucci]

4 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Milano took less to stay with Bills. Shaq and Big Phil went elsewhere and saw it's not all about the money and came back. At the end of the day what's the difference between having 50 mil and having 55 mil when it comes to happiness and being on a competitive family first team? These guys are stupid rich either way

what was the Bills offer to each player so we can compare when they sign elsewhere?

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, gobills404 said:

Need as much cap space as possible to sign more 30+ year old defensive linemen

 

and draft at least 3-4 of them too. CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH

[jahnyc]

We really don't have any replacements on the current roster for Edmunds or Poyer, which is unfortunate.  How much of an impact their loss will have on the defense will depend on the free agents signed or draft picks made that will replace them.

Edited March 8, 2023 by jahnyc

[dorquemada]

4 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

*Pats may get Edmunds

 

Oh, in that case 2 comp picks for the Pats, one for the Bills

[Nextmanup]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

Good. Spend the money on the offence.

Amen Bro!  Thank God Edmunds is going for the cash, b/c I'm pretty convinced Beane and McDermott love the guy and would have retained him if they could.

 

Bills fans are about to learn just how replaceable he is.

 

 

[somnus00]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

I don't see how this is a surprise. I don't believe it is an indictment on Tremaine. He can simply get more on the open market than what we can prudentially alot for his position. Poyer is great, but he's old with significant wear and tear. Cheaper replacements and more resources devoted to oline and offensive weapons is the right strategy. I'm hoping they follow through, whilst anticipating a pretty good chance they go D in the first . . . again.

I like what you said here. And I'm glad the Bills gave Poyer a little bonus this year as a classy way of saying thank you (and maybe avoiding an unnecessary distraction). He really gave us his all,  but this is the business side of things.

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I wonder what Tremaine's number is. 

Regardless, he's young enough were you could structure the contract anyway you like to manage the cap hit.  

 

I thought for sure Beane was going to practice what he preaches with drafting and paying his own.  For all the positive talk they would always provide the media on Tremaine, this action speaks the loudest.

[Captain Hindsight]

8 minutes ago, CNYfan said:

*Pats may get Edmunds

That wouldn't shock me at all.

[Kiva]

This isn’t new news. Edmunds “Mr whitewash” was a major liability and not mean enough.  Poyer is constantly injured. 
 

We will improve just by not having them on the field. 

[Mark92]

If they both are gone then after we restructure Allen and Miller we should have around 20 million to fill the holes and pay the draft class.  Beane is going to earn his keep this off season.  Going to be some tough decisions but we need to look long term as long as we have Josh.  

[Starr Almighty]

1 hour ago, SWATeam said:

Pretty big indictment on Tremaine.

 

Beane talks constantly about drafting and retaining.  But they are going to let a 24 y/o first round pick team captain walk without giving him a second contract?

 

I was under the impression he was turning 18 this season.