Bruffalo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, John from Riverside said: There is nothing to say that that would happen You're absolutely right, but like they say "The definition of madness is trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results". I don't think Frazier was horrible, but a change is needed. He never performed well in the post-season. Our post-season success is Allen going superman on teams, and herculean efforts by individual players (Taron Johnson's 98 yard pick six). Frazier turtled in the big moments. I feel like we need somebody a bit more bold. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. That's not it for me. But our D has collapsed in the playoffs consistently. I'm not saying that entirely on Frazier, and we have faced great offenses - but I'm more interested to find out if someone else CAN be better, than possibly seeing more of the same year in & year out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 God is good!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, Don Otreply said: Well, being that our most recent DC couldn’t, it a push then isn’t it…, GO BILLS!!! Nope. Because the new DC might not be able to stop the rest of the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This might be a smart move by Frazier. Like it or not, true or false, there's a belief that deficiencies in play calling and scheme that have resulted in some big failures are on Leslie. So he takes a year off. Now we'll find out if its Leslie or Sean. If the Bills defense continues to make these scheme and play calling gaffes with a new coordinator then we can be pretty sure its on McDermott. And Frazier can go into next season looking for work and rightly claim its not on him. The danger is the Bills improve in those areas and it is him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somnus00 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 52 minutes ago, NewEra said: Great timing- This is the resigning equivalent of an 8 yard cushion on 3rd and 4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. He may have fielded a consistently good defense on the field during the regular season but they've also consistently fallen flat against top caliber teams in post season. Fans here want someone who might get us over that peak isntead of always 10ft short of the summit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Nope. Because the new DC might not be able to stop the rest of the league. Yes, because the entire team will be so depressed that Leslie is gone they won’t be able to play anymore… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 46 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This is really weird timing, and not too long after Chad Hall decided to leave. What is going on with the coaching staff? https://www.king5.com/article/sports/nfl/seahawks/seahawks-fire-offensive-coordinator-brian-schottenheimer/281-15c625cd-b3d6-4e1d-a4b3-76c1cb1da4b4#:~:text=The Seattle Seahawks fired offensive,%2C citing "philosophical differences." Sometimes you need to shake things up even when things look good statistically. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Yes, because the entire team will be so depressed that Leslie is gone they won’t be able to play anymore… What if the new play caller sucks? Al Holcomb has never had success as DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Hope springs eternal! Frazier has been a good coach/DC throughout his career. It has been no different in his time with the Bills. But it was definitely time for a new DC. We need a scheme that compliments our offensive scheme more, and with all the turnover/changes to this year's defensive roster, it's the perfect time. I wish Frazier the best, but defensive play calling has been such a HUGE problem as soon as we get to the playoffs every year for the past 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I want to be excited about this, but I also know that it’s McD’s defense regardless. Nothing will change schematically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: https://www.king5.com/article/sports/nfl/seahawks/seahawks-fire-offensive-coordinator-brian-schottenheimer/281-15c625cd-b3d6-4e1d-a4b3-76c1cb1da4b4#:~:text=The Seattle Seahawks fired offensive,%2C citing "philosophical differences." Sometimes you need to shake things up even when things look good statistically. Losing your 2 defensive captains and DC is a mighty big shake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I hope it’s not health related. I hadn’t even really considered that until I saw it mentioned here. Personally, I still think this was McDermott’s “classy” way of moving on from Frazier. When they say he intends to be back next season I think they mean as an NFL coach, not necessarily in Buffalo. I think he may have been looking for another DC job behind the scenes and when all those roles were filled they moved to this “take a year off” thing. well, whatever the reason he’s leaving I wish Frazier well! I thought it was time to move on. I thought he took us as far as he could. But I still feel bad for him. I’ve did a lot of good here and seems like a great man. Hope he’s able to find a DC role next year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This would have been Steve Wilkes if McDermott and Beane weren’t beaten to the punch by the 49ers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Hope he's healthy and it's just a break from the grind. If we promote someone on the staff then Bobby Babich makes a lot of sense. Eric Washington seems possible but I wouldn't be happy with it. I’m never happy with anything…😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This thread is sad. Never seen a classy guy who constantly had a top 10 unit get so much hate. celebrating a good guy not doing the thing he loves to do (and not knowing the reason) seems like very bad mojo. 3 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUNTANBILLS FAN Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Is Wade Phillips on any team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Frazier won’t be back after the one year hiatus unless it’s in a senior analyst role. This was a nice way of we’re moving on but probably have an internal candidate they’re going to give the job to. I hope it’s someone who wants to be more aggressive like Spagnuolo who gets crushed sometimes but always dials up the right one or two calls to get a stop when they need it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 17 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. I mean I get it because we have Super Bowl aspirations and the bar is set higher. But Frazier by every metric is better at his job than 90% of the world is at theirs. He obviously has flaws but what was he supposed to do this year? All the safety injuries, Miller, Tre White not being Tre yet, and spending high picks on d linemen who just might not be that good. easy thing in the world is to blame the coach. What if the talent isn’t really that good? 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Now we’ll see if Beane can make a move to improve our defense. “Bend don’t break “ has been the mantra in the Frazier era. Now with the potential loss of two productive starters, Poyer and Edmunds, we are in danger of taking a step back unless personnel moves and a new coaching philosophy are meaningful. Please no more Carolina retreads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: Is Wade Phillips on any team The same wade fans ran out of town 20 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Brand J Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: This thread is sad. Never seen a classy guy who constantly had a top 10 unit get so much hate. celebrating a good guy not doing the thing he loves to do (and not knowing the reason) seems like very bad mojo. “Classy” and “likable” mean nothing in sports if the job isn’t getting done. It’s a cutthroat industry, all that matters is results. If Frazier was a total d*ck, but called a defense that played above the talent he had on the field. No one would care. McD has now parted ways with both of his initial coordinators. Our HC is classy and likable as well, but if the Bills don’t show progress, guess who’s next on the chopping block? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Well it seems as if Frazier may be on here and reads how much the Bills Mafia B**CH's about him so he''s taking a year off to clear his head & let those fans B**CH about someone or something else as far as the D goes . It will be interesting to see what happens this will either prove 1 of 2 things that Frazier calling of the game was better than the fans here ever would give him credit for & the drop off this season will be noticeable . Or the D will stay the same & be almost as good as it has been which will give those here that complain a "See I Told You SO" moment . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 For me, this is a positive if we can focus on these key components: Continue to keep the same core defensive principles and scheme that has resulted in consistently strong regular-season defenses. "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water" Be able to PROACTIVELY prepare and respond to how playoff opponents with strong coaching staffs might plan to attack you. When 72,000 fans in the stands can see that the problem is not having your DB's playing 10 yards off, that's an issue Have someone on the sidelines with some fire in their belly - who can ATTACK when needed, and get the players focused and fired up. Nothing bothered me more than seeing Frazier stand there with no expression like Jauron 2.0 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Bengals, Ravens, 49ers, Eagles until the SB...really man ? 49ers allowed 31 points against the Eagles. Ravens allowed 3 less points than the Bills did to the Bengals. Eagles allowed 38 points to the Chiefs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, SUNTANBILLS FAN said: Is Wade Phillips on any team Wade Phillips is coaching in the XFL just saw him the other day And I love him as a coach, but he coaches at 34 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigdaddyinOrlando Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Classy guy who produces but in late situations seems to not be aggressive enough. Doubt he comes back but his in season defense was really good! Hope his health is good and wish him the best! Onward and upward hopefully Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, stevestojan said: Oh happy ***** day! Seems like a “quit before I get fired” routine, but either way, good riddance. His contract ended. He had nothing to be fired from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: This thread is sad. Never seen a classy guy who constantly had a top 10 unit get so much hate. celebrating a good guy not doing the thing he loves to do (and not knowing the reason) seems like very bad mojo. I haven't seen anyone giving "hate", although I haven't read the entire thread...but from what I have seen is posts stating while they acknowledge the fact of a top 10 regular season, post season not so much. If that's what you would consider "getting hate", then I just don't see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DisplacedBillsFan Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 "Since 2017, the Bills have allowed an average of 20 points per game (3rd in the NFL over that span), 315 total yards per game (1st), 202 passing yards per game (1st), 107 passing touchdowns (1st), have racked up 99 interceptions (2nd) and 158 takeaways (2nd)." Imagine being upset about this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radar Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, dma0034 said: Wonder who they'll get for DC. I'm happy, I can't stand Frazier My guess they won't get another DC. McDermott is the coordinator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: There’s a ton of replacement candidates here on TBD. Were any of them with the Panthers’ organization? If not, they probably won’t be considered as an option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babulator Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Al Holcomb was Carolina's interim DC last year. He was just hired as our Sr. Defensive Assistant. My guess says McD will be more active on the D side and Holcomb will fill in the gaps and maybe call plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, DisplacedBillsFan said: "Since 2017, the Bills have allowed an average of 20 points per game (3rd in the NFL over that span), 315 total yards per game (1st), 202 passing yards per game (1st), 107 passing touchdowns (1st), have racked up 99 interceptions (2nd) and 158 takeaways (2nd)." Imagine being upset about this. He was/is a great regular season DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, HOUSE said: Here comes Rob Ryan, I knew it... Frazier won’t be dragging down his overseer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 53 minutes ago, Beast said: He had his moments. He frustrated Lamar Jackson. The defense rose to the occasion at KC last season. It feasted on lesser opponents. Unfortunately when I think of Frazier, and even McDermott, 13 seconds is at the forefront of my memories. wuttttttt lol are you talking the reg season game that nobody cares about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, harmonkillebrew said: What quality DC is going to accept a job for one year?? This is an odd move. If they're serious that he'll be back in 2024 then they'll probably just look to fill his shoes from within. This is so weird it’s almost dysfunctional. It’s certainly not one year away and he’s back. It’s a polite “thank you for your time” from a class organization with abundant patience. Just as I see it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Rc2catch said: Weird.. Doesn’t change anything probably but weird to take a year off It’s convenient and respectable way to move on. Much like a “mutual decision to part ways.” I’d be shocked if he wasn’t done in Buffalo. Thanks and so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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