97bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Success said: Why do you hope Holcomb isn't DC? Seems like he did a good job when he took over the Panthers' DC role... Because I think it will be more the same.. I want a new scheme , but that’s probably not going to happen.. I just want a more aggressive approach , I’m willing to sacrifice a big play to try and force the Qb into a mistake. I think you can play that kind of defense , the way our offense can score. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 I wish Leslie well. He is an unfairly maligned scapegoat for way too many fans. Excellent coach, even better person. Has done a great job here over the past 6 years. 7 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) As many have already said, Frazier won't be returning here if he returns. The defense has completely failed us on the biggest stages the last 3 years. Yes, they look decent in the regular season, but the Playoff gaffes have brought us to this point. Hopefully this means we are going to be heading towards more of a Jim Johnson style of defense. If so, that explains a bit about what we are going to be looking to do defensively with our offseason moves. Edited February 28, 2023 by H2o Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Bills Juggernaut said: Wasn’t there rumors last year the Daboll was going to leave the Bills last year even if he didn’t get a head coaching job? Something about butting heads with McDermott? And now a season later our DC, after basically all the coaching changes and coordinators positions have been filled, decides to ‘take a year off’? Odd. Very odd. Gotta love those rumors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDeerInTheHeadlights Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 As someone has already stated, hopefully everything is well in the health department. That's priority #1. If he is fine, this is good news, not so much because Frazier was the only or even the main reason for the lack of success when it really mattered, but because it may (hopefully) be a sign of a willingness to change, to do things differently from McBeane that may carry on during the draft and free agency. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 A much needed change from this bend and break defense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, 97bills said: Because I think it will be more the same.. I want a new scheme , but that’s probably not going to happen.. I just want a more aggressive approach , I’m willing to sacrifice a big play to try and force the Qb into a mistake. I think you can play that kind of defense , the way our offense can score. I wonder if people understand that whenever you make an entirely new defense often you need entirely new players, which means that the defense is going to take a step back for a year while they get those players in position Just something to think about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HereComesTheReignAgain Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Yeah but we didn't have a top defense when it matters most in the post season Which defenses played great throughout the post season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Bills Juggernaut said: Wasn’t there rumors last year the Daboll was going to leave the Bills last year even if he didn’t get a head coaching job? Something about butting heads with McDermott? And now a season later our DC, after basically all the coaching changes and coordinators positions have been filled, decides to ‘take a year off’? Odd. Very odd. The organization has always treated Frazier like he’s the Buddha or something. From giving the defense every possible resource to the constant drumbeat of saying it’s a travesty he ain’t a head coach to this weird-ass way of firing/not firing him. Weird all the way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wish Leslie well. He is an unfairly maligned scapegoat for way too many fans. Excellent coach, even better person. Has done a great job here over the past 6 years. He has built a great regular season defense. But it was time for a change. 2 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: Yeah but we didn't have a top defense when it matters most in the post season and there you go... So our GM/HC turns to our DC and says.... how do you want to leave? and this was the answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said: What’s the quicker path to OC, Dorsey being fired or Super Bowl winning OC/Head Coach Doug Pederson being fired? This wasn’t about a quicker path to OC. Do you want to learn from a 1st year coordinator or a Super Bowl winning offensive coach? Davis Webb followed Daboll and yet took a coaching job with Denver. He learned from Daboll and now gets to learn from Payton. All about gaining experience and the smart ones learn from multiple coaching trees. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Frazier is a good guy but this is the best news for the Bills this offseason so far. They need a shakeup on the coaching staff this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: I wonder if people understand that whenever you make an entirely new defense often you need entirely new players, which means that the defense is going to take a step back for a year while they get those players in position Just something to think about Well, I wouldn't say "entirely" new players, but definitely would need a few 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: This defense, which is McD's, depends on getting pressure with the front 4. When that doesn't happen, you get the results we got against good teams. The scheming isn't going to change as long as McD is here. Unless they can generate a better pass rush with the front 4, I don't see much changing. Maybe a little more aggressive play calling, but that's only going to go so far. Hopefully it will go far enough, 🤞 like I said in the post you responded to, “maybe” McDermott realizes his scheme needs adjustments, 🤞 and we all know Leslie is not one to make adjustments ever. Fingers crossed that it will be change for the better, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I wonder if people understand that whenever you make an entirely new defense often you need entirely new players, which means that the defense is going to take a step back for a year while they get those players in position Just something to think about I don't think we see a new scheme as long as McD is here. Same D, different play caller. Sometimes, that's all it takes to have vastly different results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said: Which defenses played great throughout the post season? Bengals, Ravens, 49ers, Eagles until the SB...really man ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
97bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I wonder if people understand that whenever you make an entirely new defense often you need entirely new players, which means that the defense is going to take a step back for a year while they get those players in position Just something to think about I’m not saying we need to switch to a 3-4 or anything. But you can call plays different with the players we have. And we probably will have a few different players next year because of the cap. But I get what you’re saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. 3 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I wish Leslie well. He is an unfairly maligned scapegoat for way too many fans. Excellent coach, even better person. Has done a great job here over the past 6 years. “Great” could describe his regular season accolades, “average to poor” could describe his postseason failures. If the bolded were true in terms of the entirety of his stay, I’d surmise he wouldn’t be taking a year off. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. No but it is sometimes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. People thinking the next DC will be able to stop the Chiefs are in for a rude awakening. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: and there you go... So our GM/HC turns to our DC and says.... how do you want to leave? and this was the answer That's what interrupted from my post? Interesting Edited February 28, 2023 by Patrick Duffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, nucci said: No but it is sometimes Let’s hope this falls under the sometimes area 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. I'll take a slide down in the regular season if it means better post-season performance with better situational playcalling when it matters. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papazoid Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 look for recently hired Al Holcomb to get the job as DC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People thinking the next DC will be able to stop the Chiefs are in for a rude awakening. I think we’ve got bigger problems than that we couldn’t stop the Bengals much less the Chiefs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People thinking the next DC will be able to stop the Chiefs are in for a rude awakening. If he can stop them in situational football like 13 seconds then it'll be an upgrade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Just now, Bruffalo said: I'll take a slide down in the regular season if it means better post-season performance with better situational playcalling when it matters. There is nothing to say that that would happen 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, nucci said: No but it is sometimes Exactly. And you ain’t ever gonna find out if you keep doing same thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QB Bills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Current job opening at OBD: Summary: Come in and be the face of a defense that you have no actual control over because it's run by the head coach, without saying as much to anyone. Qualifications: - ability to take misplaced blamed from fans who should know better - cover for head coach's idiotic and static defensive scheme - keep quiet and look around aimlessly when said head coach is wasting challenges and timeouts whilst figuratively $hitt**g all over himself in any pressure situation 1 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. This board loved a scapegoat. Presently Leslie is it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Patrick Duffy said: That's what interrupted from my post? Interesting no. just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: This board is hilarious. Guy gets his team in the top 10 for all but one year he is here and you guys automatically think the next guy will be better. Grass isnt always greener. How did he do in the playoffs last 3 years? That important? But ohh those regular season stats... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Lezlie Frazer was the Dick Jauron of our defense. Low key guy and complete class act who everyone loves but at the same time everyone wants him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LEBills Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Frazier was an excellent regular season DC. Was baffling how he couldn’t adapt to playoffs letting teams and especially corners play more physically. Let’s hope we get an improvement. Good luck to Leslie whatever he does next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 26 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Explain please Classic Bills Fan, getting exactly what we want and still complaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: People thinking the next DC will be able to stop the Chiefs are in for a rude awakening. Well, being that our most recent DC couldn’t, it a push then isn’t it…, GO BILLS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 28, 2023 Share Posted February 28, 2023 Al Holcomb certainly fits my prediction that Shaq Thompson will replace Edmunds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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