Rex Ryan attempted to trade EJ Manuel for Geno Smith in 2016(article)

[Nineforty]

1 hour ago, Golden*Wheels said:

That was IK Enemkpali, who Rex later brought here. He decked Geno for not paying his gambling debt! Can you imagine Rex then bringing him here if IK was still on the team (not sure if he would have been)? LOL. Good old Rex.

 

 

I came here to make some snarky comment intended to skewer Rex's revisionist B.S. ...

 

something along the lines of what you brought up! He brought in the guy that hit Geno lmao

[BillsFan4]

11 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Reminds me of Gregggg Williams claiming he wanted to draft Drew Brees in 2001. 
 

Revisionist history from has-beens

to improve their bad reps. 

Yep.

 

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Henderson said the trade never came to fruition but it spoke to (Rex) Ryan’s confidence that he believed Smith would eventually be “a hell of a quarterback in this league.” 

😂

[SirAndrew]

Geno is and was terrible. He played very well for half this season, but it seems like a mirage. He’s regressed quite a bit the past few weeks, looking like Geno with the Jets again. 

Edited December 30, 2022 by SirAndrew

[hondo in seattle]

11 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Reminds me of Gregggg Williams claiming he wanted to draft Drew Brees in 2001. 
 

Revisionist history from has-beens

to improve their bad reps. 

 

Yeah, it's interesting Rex is telling this story now when Geno is finally playing well.    If true, why hadn't he talked about this before?

[Gugny]

58 minutes ago, Rico said:

Except EJ.  

 

What took you so long?

 

🤣

[RoyBatty is alive]

10 hours ago, Gugny said:

Anyone, including Geno Smith, would have been better that TuhROD. 

Tyrod wasn't bad at all, he just didn't have the mentality to be a #1 QB, was far too afraid to take any risks, the opposite of Josh Allen.

[CA OC Bills Fan]

First of all, I don't believe anything Rex says so I really doubt this happened. Secondly, one of the few good things Rex did was bring in Tyrod and have him start. Although not that good, he was far better than Geno or EJ. Tyrod started in 2015 through 2017 for the Bills.

[NoSaint]

11 hours ago, prissythecat said:

yes, EJ just needed more time to perfect his ability to miss receivers by a mile lol

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ej-manuel-threw-one-of-the-worst-passes-ever-gets-benched-for-cardale-jones/

he was a long shot, but the franchise did him no favors. Short of a luck or manning type of prospect, any guy was an incredible king shot in that spot. 
 

at least they traded back first.

[turftoe]

11 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Manuel was more of a "franchise QB" type due to his mannerisms. I totally think that EJ was ruined by the coaching staff of Saint Doug

One of the greatest flaws in Manuel’s game was that he had slow eyes. No coach is ever going to fix that.

[prissythecat]

1 hour ago, turftoe said:

One of the greatest flaws in Manuel’s game was that he had slow eyes. No coach is ever going to fix that.

 

plus EJ had that weird dart throwing passing motion that certainly did not help his accuracy

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Whaley/Nix picked Manuel over Geno when everyone and their mother said Geno was the #1 QB in the class and Manuel was a 3rd round project. 10 years later Geno is in the pro bowl and Manuel is a college football analyst

9 years later they were both irrelevant so everyone loses. 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

If true why did rex love the guy that knocked out geno in the locker room when they were on the jets 

[TBBills]

16 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

Whaley/Nix picked Manuel over Geno when everyone and their mother said Geno was the #1 QB in the class and Manuel was a 3rd round project. 10 years later Geno is in the pro bowl and Manuel is a college football analyst

Still wouldn't want either QB.

2 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

If true why did rex love the guy that knocked out geno in the locker room when they were on the jets 

He had great feet.

[Virgil]

I've never seen a college QB hit a wall like Geno did at WV.  He was an absolute monster the first half of his final season and on his way to being a top 3 pick.  And then out of nowhere, just couldn't get anything done in the second half.  It was bizarre to me.  I always liked the kid and am glad to see him getting a chance in Seattle.  

 

I also really like EJ and feel like he got hosed from a developmental standpoint, but oh well

[Dablitzkrieg]

Wow, we really missed out

[KHAN]

Here comes 20 pages of heated debate on EJ vs Geno.

 

[T master]

With his leadership it wouldn't have made a difference he along with a few other coaches that have been in B/lo didn't have a clue o how to bring along a rookie QB in the NFL . 

 

The Pegs put their faith and confidence in him to lead the team to some where other than where his ego took them . I think the Bills have had a couple of QB's they drafted that if with some more stability & under different HC's could have been much better than they turned out .

 

I'm glad Geno has had the chance to redeem himself a bit because he has had some really - - - really bad seasons in the NFL & because of the type of guy our QB at the time EJ i would have liked to see him have better success than he did . I think he had the tools just no leadership to speak of .

 

The first HUGE red flag for sexy Rexy was taking a top 5 - 4-3 defense & trying to make those players fit a 3-4 and expecting Schwartz was going to stay to run it HELLO .....

 

Thank God Rex is gone & Geno is doing better !!!  

[RoyBatty is alive]

2 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said:

If true why did rex love the guy that knocked out geno in the locker room when they were on the jets 

What a memory, I forgot all about that!

[CSBill]

19 minutes ago, T master said:

 

The first HUGE red flag for sexy Rexy was taking a top 5 - 4-3 defense & trying to make those players fit a 3-4 and expecting Schwartz was going to stay to run it HELLO .....

Of all the stupidity that was Rex Ryan, this was the best, or worst. And that is saying something as there were so many to choose from. His new defense sucked, gave up nearly 500 yards in the second game of the season to the Jets and his answer was to fire the OC (Graig Roman) after two games. The Defense would go on on to have a historic drop from top 3 to the bottom part of the league. 

[MrEpsYtown]

Man not the best draft in the world for us with all those guys gone. 
 

Interesting fact, we have a good number of players on our roster who came out of that draft: Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Xavier Rhodes, Sam Martin, David Quessenberry, Matt Barkley, AJ Klein

 

Obviously missed on hall of famers like Travis Kelce and Deandre Hopkins. But its a crapshoot

[ganesh]

11 hours ago, BuffaloBill said:

 

It is very interesting that Wilson has absolutely crashed and burned and now Geno is playing lights out. It does make you wonder how critical is coaching / system to the success of the “greats.”  

and may be better OL

[John from Riverside]

It was non-decisions like this. The kept them a mediocre team for a decade. This was just one of them.

[Mr. WEO]

Did Geno have “the it factor”?

 

no, he did not

[JohnNord]

23 hours ago, Big Turk said:

I'm not sure I have ever heard this before...kind of funny why it never happened as both QBs fell out of favor on their respective teams.

 

https://heavy.com/sports/new-york-jets/geno-smith-ej-manuel-buffalo-bills/amp/

I don’t think this ever happened.  I guess there’s a chance he suggested it behind closed doors but there were so many leaks back then, that if the story had legs it would’ve made its way into the media.  
 

Also if you remember, Rex signed IK Enemkpali for no other reason than to troll Geno and the Jets.  Doesn’t exactly sound like a player Rex thought too highly of.  
 

Finally in summer 2016, the Bills resigned Tyrod Taylor to an extension and seemingly were behind him as starter.  This kind of kills the whole “change of scenery” idea because what would be the point of trading one backup QB for another?  
 

More revisionist history from Rex trying to pretend he thought more of Geno than he did

[Ralonzo]

23 hours ago, prissythecat said:

yes, EJ just needed more time to perfect his ability to miss receivers by a mile lol

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ej-manuel-threw-one-of-the-worst-passes-ever-gets-benched-for-cardale-jones/

 

Manuel had physical talent. He could throw the JA17 patented deep over 25 yards downfield outside the numbers. The problem was he could only do it in preseason against basic defenses. He got confused and rattled awfully easily, just couldn't make the reads or process the game fast enough.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

On 12/30/2022 at 12:13 AM, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

 

Funny because Tyrod played significantly better then both before this exact season (geno), weird flex. tyrod was the qb that played for us when the streak ended, even if he was very average. Some bills fans have a weird hate for tyrod 

I’ve been in countless arguments defending TT on this board. It is weird indeed. We all know he wasn’t elite by any means, but u would think someone who helped break a 20 year drought would be regarded higher. I’ve had people telling me he wasn’t an important piece on that team. 

Edited December 31, 2022 by ChronicAndKnuckles

[Breakout Squad]

My recollection is EJ beat Geno in the Pin Stripe Bowl and the narrative was how could you take the losing QB from that game. That’s how I remember that icky draft. 

[Billy Claude]

9 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I don’t think this ever happened.  I guess there’s a chance he suggested it behind closed doors but there were so many leaks back then, that if the story had legs it would’ve made its way into the media.  
 

Also if you remember, Rex signed IK Enemkpali for no other reason than to troll Geno and the Jets.  Doesn’t exactly sound like a player Rex thought too highly of.  
 

Finally in summer 2016, the Bills resigned Tyrod Taylor to an extension and seemingly were behind him as starter.  This kind of kills the whole “change of scenery” idea because what would be the point of trading one backup QB for another?  
 

More revisionist history from Rex trying to pretend he thought more of Geno than he did

 

 

Absolutely agree.   One of the first things McDermott did was to plug up all the leaks that were occurring regularly from the front office.

 

Also  heavy.com is probably one of the least reliable sources on the internet, which is saying something indeed.

 

[TBBills]

 

 

[Since1981]

Whaley Nix Brandon (maybe Wilson)

Vs McDermit Beane (TPegula)

 

Looking back now—-what a clown car we were sitting in!!

[VaMilBill]

Even if the trade happened it wouldn’t have mattered. What got Rex fired was his teams lack of discipline and the defense having a regression in both his seasons as HC from the 2014 Schwartz coached defense

[Kaenon]

On 12/29/2022 at 10:30 PM, Rico said:

"Trade EJ? Over my dead body!"

I've been looking for that zip-up for years!

I needed to buy one then and need to buy one now...

[Bookie Man]

Rex was playing 4d chess?

[Orlando Tim]

On 12/29/2022 at 9:49 PM, KDIGGZ said:

Whaley/Nix picked Manuel over Geno when everyone and their mother said Geno was the #1 QB in the class and Manuel was a 3rd round project. 10 years later Geno is in the pro bowl and Manuel is a college football analyst

Geno was hated by his teammates, which is no longer the case, and was not good for at least his first 4 years. EJ was better than Geno at the beginning and predicting this ten years later would be crazy. 

[machine gun kelly]

I’d like to make a motion we place a moratorium of all discussions of absolute horror 17 years of the drought.

 

Moving on.  6th year of the McBeane era.  Can we make the 17 previous years dead to us?

[butch rolle]

On 12/30/2022 at 10:00 AM, Nineforty said:

I came here to make some snarky comment intended to skewer Rex's revisionist B.S. ...

 

something along the lines of what you brought up! He brought in the guy that hit Geno lmao

Not only did he do that, but unless I mistaken he made Enemkpali a captain for the first game against the Jets.  Or am I just imagining that? What an absolute performative clown Rex was

[Nextmanup]

9 hours ago, Breakout Squad said:

My recollection is EJ beat Geno in the Pin Stripe Bowl and the narrative was how could you take the losing QB from that game. That’s how I remember that icky draft. 

I distinctly remember watching, very closely, the Orange Bowl in his senior year.  I wanted to focus purely on him as there was a lot of talk about him (and other QBs of course).

 

I watched the entire game, FSU won, but the entire time I was thinking "This guy is horrible by college football standards; he can't do A, B, C, or D...I project him to have zero future in the NFL."

 

And then the Bills end up with him!  

 

Keep in mind I also absolutely FEARED the Bills taking either of Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson! 

 

You win some, you lose some.

 

 

[The Jokeman]

On 12/29/2022 at 11:17 PM, Solomon Grundy said:

Manuel was more of a "franchise QB" type due to his mannerisms. I totally think that EJ was ruined by the coaching staff of Saint Doug

Truth is Marrone only cared about Marrone not necessarily the team hence him leaving once he learned Kyle Orton wouldn't be back. I still question why he brought in Hackett as a first year OC and QB coach with a rookie QB. 

[TBBills Fan]

14 hours ago, VaMilBill said:

Even if the trade happened it wouldn’t have mattered. What got Rex fired was his teams lack of discipline and the defense having a regression in both his seasons as HC from the 2014 Schwartz coached defense

That defense was really good. Amazing still how he ruined it so quickly. That's why I find it funny when the fire McDermott/Beane are made.  We have seen some bad front offices during the draught and this is a great time to be a bills fan. And that's because of our front office.