MiltonWaddams Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 32 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: After the game, when asked about what happened on the 4th and 1 interception. Murray took full responsibility as you would expect a leader to do. Oh wait no he didn't he blamed the scheme .. which is the responsibility of course of the playcaller .. Kingsbury. Not a leader! Kyler Murray and Zach Wilson have the same life coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DabillsDaBillsDaBills Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: After the game, when asked about what happened on the 4th and 1 interception. Murray took full responsibility as you would expect a leader to do. Oh wait no he didn't he blamed the scheme .. which is the responsibility of course of the playcaller .. Kingsbury. Not a leader! I think it's fair to question the playcall, but you have to be a little more diplomatic about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 43 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: After the game, when asked about what happened on the 4th and 1 interception. Murray took full responsibility as you would expect a leader to do. Oh wait no he didn't he blamed the scheme .. which is the responsibility of course of the playcaller .. Kingsbury. Not a leader! This has always been known. I have watched him deflect all blame, throw teammates under the bus, and throw coaches under the bus the last 4 years. This isn't anything new. It's always been his MO. Larry Fitz's father put him on blast, but it got swept under the rug for the most part. Where do you think that came from? From being around Murray and talking to his son. He said the kid needed to humble himself, is spoiled, and needs to mature. I fully believed it at the time and it's even more evident now. I believe there were a lot of people shaking their head at AZ giving Kyler that big contract, regardless of how the sport media clowns were trying to paint it. They are reaping the fruits of their investment again right now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 The Murray move is something only a GM who is way too comfortable in their position would make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 They invested a LOT of draft capital in the QB position two years in a row. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsatlastin2018 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 On 11/27/2022 at 8:55 PM, H2o said: The same way the Broncos fell for it with Russell Wilson. Yes. But, the difference was many successful years. That was the good. The bad was ‘MANY’! You need to be very careful how much and for how long, you are offering mega $ to almost 35 year olds! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerome007 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) It makes me glad we have JOSH!!! BTW, my worry with him when selected was not that he would be a bust, but just good/very good and not truly elite. He has exceeded all expectations, both in his play and leadership/attitude. As for height, Flutie barely suffered because of it, nor Brees and (Seattle) Wilson. Flutie lacked arm strength, but his height rarely mattered much. Edited November 29, 2022 by Jerome007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Seems like the same few things lead to teams caving in scenarios like this. #1. It's a business, and it's tough to keep rears in seats without an exciting player. #2. If you're the GM, admitting you drafted the wrong guy, in scenarios like this is a death sentence. Who's going to trust you to do this a second time, when what you did didn't work and already lead to several blown seasons. Much easier to rally behind the guy, spend a quarter billion of someone else's money, then end up fired, and demoted in your next role lol Really takes a rich owner who can handle lower ticket sales, and have patience to start over. Move on from coach gm, move on from a huge chunk of the roster over 2-3 years... and hope the next guy starts to work because you're looking at 3-5 years between the time already wasted, and the time it takes to have an idea about new leadership. I don't envy the stress nfl owners invite in buying a team. Could you imagine spending a few billion... going .500 a few years, tearing it down, starting over, and you hire the wrong guys again. Lol!!!! Ever bought a car or motorcycle that sucks money and constantly breaks down and you don't ride more than a few times in a year cause its constantly in the shop 😆😆😆 Now imagine a $2-3billion investment, with yearly maintenance bills of $250m. Lol sounds frustrating to say the least Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 hours ago, MiltonWaddams said: Kyler Murray and Zach Wilson have the same life coach. Go get the bar of soap from the Lamar Jackson thread. 🤨 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Maybe he should start getting a list of the best Madden players out there and have them come in for interviews? I mean, what could go wrong here? Edited January 10, 2023 by Big Turk 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Negan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Call of Duty players welcome for interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 They don't want him to pull a Watson. If I were them, I'd pray he pulls a Watson and they can get a Watson-type trade deal for him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Bwahahahahaha, the Cardinals are an example of how to do everything the wrong way, Gee, let’s include the pouty little “B” in our decision making, that sounds like a good idea, 😂 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mushypeaches Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Any GM or coach candidates worth their salt are going to come in with a plan to trade Murray That team is going nowhere with that dude and his contract and the sooner they realize it, the sooner they become relevant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: They don't want him to pull a Watson. So if he doesn't get to pick his coach, he'll just start stacking up sexual assault claims like MUT cards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Murray: "What's your K/D on Call of Duty?' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Kyler showing up to the interviews in his best Hilary Clinton pantsuit Edited January 10, 2023 by KDIGGZ 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 11/27/2022 at 7:45 PM, Trock said: Murray is pretty bad but not the reason for their collapse. If your QB is "pretty bad", how is that not a significant reason for a collapse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiderweb Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 11/27/2022 at 8:45 PM, Trock said: Murray is pretty bad but not the reason for their collapse. Ah, he was one the big reasons for their collapse... Sorry.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said: Kyler showing up to the interviews in his best Hilary Clinton pantsuit just screams 'elderly mother-in-law easter outfit' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSJayDee Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 It makes sense that he have "input". They've got a lot of $ tied up in him as well as more importantly cap space, which is a more finite resource. You want to maximize that investment & much like having Allen's input on a OC, you should listen to what his opinion is, though it certainly shouldn't be the only factor. Now, as for how prudent it was to actually invest that contract in him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Big Turk said: Maybe he should start getting a list of the best Madden players out there and have them come in for interviews? I mean, what could go wrong here? So, when are they going to interview Kevin Murray, Kyler's dad? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Doc said: They don't want him to pull a Watson. If I were them, I'd pray he pulls a Watson and they can get a Watson-type trade deal for him. Outside of the Browns, who else would do a trade like that? Raiders? Commanders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 12 minutes ago, WhoTom said: Outside of the Browns, who else would do a trade like that? Raiders? Commanders? Panthers, Saints, most likely Tampa Bay after this season. Maybe the colts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Panthers, Saints, most likely Tampa Bay after this season. Maybe the colts The first three are needy enough, but are they that inept? The Colts, on the other hand - you might be right about them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Kyler Murray isn't nearly as bad a QB as many here are making out. Like the Cardinals had another choice in the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 This contract will become known in NFL history as the "Fail Murray". 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Kyler Murray isn't nearly as bad a QB as many here are making out. Like the Cardinals had another choice in the matter. If I were building a Franchise he wouldn't even be on my board. The guy isn't serious about football 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 40 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: Kyler Murray isn't nearly as bad a QB as many here are making out. Like the Cardinals had another choice in the matter. No he’s pretty bad and what makes it worse is that he doesn’t care about football and proves that by playing video games over studying his playbook. I think Kingsbury is happy to get away from him and the cardinals organization. Arizona is screwed for at least the next 2-3 years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Kyler showing up to the interviews in his best Hilary Clinton pantsuit Oakland A's new alternate shade of green? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 When he signed that contract, I said on this board somewhere that Murray would take the guaranteed money and run, and would be playing baseball within three years. With everything we have seen since then, it has only made me more sure of my prediction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkady Renko Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 minute ago, Special K said: When he signed that contract, I said on this board somewhere that Murray would take the guaranteed money and run, and would be playing baseball within three years. With everything we have seen since then, it has only made me more sure of my prediction. I would think he would have to give up guaranteed money if he walks away from football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 On 11/27/2022 at 9:08 PM, SoCal Deek said: Not trying to start an argument but if the list changes from year to year then I’d say those other guys aren’t really Franchise QBs. I believe the very definition is that they transcend the year to year up and downs. Good point. If you aren't in the playoffs annually or close you don't have a Franchise QB. A Franchise QB should be able to carry your team in almost any season. A Franchise QB is not a very good or above average QB it is the best of the best for a long period of time. Previous Franchise QBs on the decline... Aaron Rodgers Tom Brady Russ Wilson - unless H2o is correct above and Russ was never as good as he appears Matthew Stafford - is on the decline, but also previously declined some years back - but, he was a Franchise QB, Detroit was just so bad they didn't compete as much as they should have Current Franchise QBs Patrick Mahomes Josh Allen Justin Herbert - probably Joe Burrow Recently retired Franchise QBs Drew Brees Ben Roethlisberger 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Kyler Murray isn't nearly as bad a QB as many here are making out. Like the Cardinals had another choice in the matter. The choice was not to extend him and continue to play on his current deal which could have been two more year. They then could have franchised him for a 3rd year. They had options. Believing in their College Coach Kliff Kingsbury to be able evaluate a NFL Franchise QB and listen to him to pay him for a scheme specific team vs a traditional Franchise QB was the problem. Now the Coach is fired and the scheme is gone. The gimmick is gone. It is going to hurt. If his College Coach could not get him to study and he now is paid I am confident the new regime will struggle more with him. Just my thoughts and glad it is not our problem. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Would ya listen to this trade request? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 47 minutes ago, The Wiz said: Would ya listen to this trade request? Not thinking about these things till the season is over. He isn’t Adams or Hill not sure how much he has left - of his PEDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 People forget Kyler wasn’t like Russell Wilson or even Tom Brady back in the day where baseball was a hobby. He was a cornerstone Major League Baseball talent taken in the top 10 of the mlb draft. I always felt him looking at the contracts of Judge or Correa and thinking hey they don’t have to have 300 lbs defensive chasing him around and just catch ground balls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 27 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: People forget Kyler wasn’t like Russell Wilson or even Tom Brady back in the day where baseball was a hobby. He was a cornerstone Major League Baseball talent taken in the top 10 of the mlb draft. I always felt him looking at the contracts of Judge or Correa and thinking hey they don’t have to have 300 lbs defensive chasing him around and just catch ground balls. He ought to switch to baseball. Much easier sport to be individualistic at. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I'm kinda of a big deal at my company and I want some say when we get a new Manager - does that even make sense? I mean I know it's wayyyy different but this seems completely off to me. Let's cater to the spoiled guy because we don't want him to pout more- The organization will be set back IMO if they listen to that dude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGFOOTspaceman Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Not really that surprising. How many times did the Bills “fall for it?” Johnson Edwards Bledsoe Fitzpatrick Taylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrBob806 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said: Not really that surprising. How many times did the Bills “fall for it?” Johnson Edwards Bledsoe Fitzpatrick Taylor Yep, the Bills were certainly fortunate to land Allen. In reality, doesn't it seem that there's usually 6 or 7 standout QBs in the NFL? It's kind of cyclical. The Packers had Favre & Rodgers back-to-back, highly unusual (and "only won" two SBs with them). Of course the flip side there's teams that haven't had QBs for a very long time. Erase Mahomes from KC for example, their last long-term good QB was Len Dawson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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