Von Miller knee injury (update - ACL intact, awaiting diagnosis on lateral meniscus)

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

RB knocked it out of his hands. It was a good play by the opponent 

 

 

Yeah I was kidding.   Edmunds wouldn't even have been in position to see and catch the football.   He, unfortunately, has no nose for the football whatsoever.   And I'm not kidding about that, unfortunately.   He's made significant strides this year but he just doesn't have the processing speed to transition from hit it to get it like guys like Poyer and Milano.

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I’ve never seen a sack turn into an interception either.  See you can play that coin on both sides.  
 

You want to fixate on what 5 or 6 more single plays a year, literally that’s what you’re complaining about, because if he had 4.5 sacks but got 6 more it would be 10.5 and you’d be begging to keep him.  Yet there are lots of people who get a few more sacks than Hughes but no where near the amount of pressures he had.  
 

I will take the guy who more frequently impacts the game over some guy who had a few more sacks but did very little else.

Sack numbers are grossly over rated.  Yes there are guys who pile them up and Frequently disrupt the game, but there a lot more who 7-10 sacks and suck outside of those few sacks.

 

Hughes was for us, and still is, a VERY good and disruptive DE that all opposing teams are forced to game plan for.  It’s not really even open for debate.  

 

Some sacks do result in fumbles. 

[Airseven]

9 hours ago, Comebackkid said:

well this sux for Von, the Bills and the fans.   what's the recovery time?

He should get the surgery now and be healthy next summer. He’ll be ineffective trying to play with it with brace.

[John from Riverside]

So best case scenario, he’s gone for a month
 

worst case scenario is we don’t see him till next year

 

we need groot back who is having a really good year minus the ankle sprain time

[stevewin]

18 hours ago, SMAKCruiser said:

I had a bucket handle tear back in 2014... The worst part was getting up from the toilet lol

If Von comes back this year then it doesnt seem like he'll be doing his Getting Off The Toilet sack celebration

[Solomon Grundy]

10 hours ago, Buffalo03 said:

He has played with pretty much everyone besides Von. Rousseau was here last year, Epenesa was here, Oliver was here, you mean to tell me he would be that much different?

So, he goes from 3 sacks a year to 6 in this defense opposite Von. Whoopty doo. Give him a $50 million dollar deal. What are we doing?

Tim Settle, Jordan Phillips and Daquan Jones are what was missing the most for Jerry Hughes. If you go back and watch Hughes last couple of seasons here, he was applying pressure off the edge. Problem was the opposing QB was escaping through the middle of the line. IMO, Hughes would be a major upgrade over Epenesa for the playoff push. IMO, the Bills made bad decisions letting Klein and Hughes leave this season. Luckily they were able to get Klein back. 

[SMAKCruiser]

23 minutes ago, stevewin said:

If Von comes back this year then it doesnt seem like he'll be doing his Getting Off The Toilet sack celebration

No. But in real life he'll have to get off the toilet with a torn meniscus and good luck to him

[Charles Romes]

13 hours ago, Success said:

Has anyone ever played a sport and "played through" a torn meniscus?

 

I'm wondering how much it will affect him.  Will he still be the guy we've seen to this point, which is at times dominating?  Is it just pain tolerance, or does it affect strength & quickness?

 

I think he still bring a ton to the table, even if he's not 100%. In a short period of time, he has become the heart & soul of this D. I think I'll be happy if he plays the rest of the season, even if it's not as effective.

 

 
 

The pain can linger get worse and never go away. Or, it can magically disappear overnight. Some say the meniscus tissue can actually regenerate and repair itself, faster with PRP. Some say it can’t. It’s a vast unknown. I’m hoping the fact he’s walking apparently without pain is a very good sign. If your meniscus is torn bad you are limping. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Charles Romes

[DJB]

 

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

Welp, that’s clear as mud.  
 

It sounds like it’s trending towards him missing a few games and coming back with a brace, but this team was apparently built on an ancient Indian burial ground, so we shall see. 

[DJB]

6 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Welp, that’s clear as mud.  
 

It sounds like it’s trending towards him missing a few games and coming back with a brace, but this team was apparently built on an ancient Indian burial ground, so we shall see. 

 

If he isn’t getting the surgery then he should sit and rehab until the playoffs then wear the brace

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, DJB said:

 

If he isn’t getting the surgery then he should sit and rehab until the playoffs then wear the brace

Agreed.  If he wants a few snaps against the Bengals and/or Pats to get comfortable, ok .. but bottom line is this offense needs to start doing what it’s capable of and hope the defense gets healthy.  We don’t need Von back until the Playoffs start. 

[RunTheBall]

IDK why if it’s just a torn meniscus they are talking about season ending knee surgery unless they are thinking of repairing it which is rare in this age group and takes months to heal.  He could have a scope, get that trimmed and be back in a month. It can be as simply as a 15 minute procedure in skilled hands.

 

In terms of Von playing, it’s mainly a pain tolerance thing but depends on how large the tear is. Think of the meniscus as a thin, smooth disk in between the upper and lower leg bones. Now it has a frayed edge that can get caught in the joint as the knee flexes and extends. If it’s small, it just may be a small click but every time it clicks the meniscus gets pinched and yanked which equals pain and inflammation. If it’s a large tear it can completely lock the joint which means urgent surgery to unlock it. Time will tell.

 

[RobbRiddick]

17 minutes ago, DJB said:

 

If he isn’t getting the surgery then he should sit and rehab until the playoffs then wear the brace

I agree. I think the 1 seed isn't happening, so we need to make sure we're in the playoffs and then take the hard road, which probably involves another trip to Arrowhead.

 

Fire them up with the underdog narrative and see if they can wreck some other teams' dreams

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, RobbRiddick said:

I agree. I think the 1 seed isn't happening, so we need to make sure we're in the playoffs and then take the hard road, which probably involves another trip to Arrowhead.

 

Fire them up with the underdog narrative and see if they can wreck some other teams' dreams

If it were any team other than KC we were chasing, I’d say the 1 seed is wide open.  … unfortunately they are just so consistent and the AFCW is an absolute joke.  
 

Most frustrating aspect of the season, big picture speaking, is easily the fact that everyone hyped the AFCW for the entire division to fall on their face.. meanwhile, the AFCE becomes a gauntlet. 
 

Edited November 26, 2022 by SCBills

[Dr. Who]

49 minutes ago, SCBills said:

If it were any team other than KC we were chasing, I’d say the 1 seed is wide open.  … unfortunately they are just so consistent and the AFCW is an absolute joke.  
 

Most frustrating aspect of the season, big picture speaking, is easily the fact that everyone hyped the AFCW for the entire division to fall on their face.. meanwhile, the AFCE becomes a gauntlet. 
 

Hilarious in a completely unfunny way how before the season folks were arguing that the entire AFC West could make the playoffs and it turns out the Chiefs are yet again gifted a weak division, while the AFC East has four teams above .500 last week of November.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Von said on his twitch stream today that he will be back, hopefully in 1-2 weeks

[ngbills]

Anyone sitting at home with a few weeks of legs left? Dee Ford, Pernell McPhee, Alex Okafor? Back up plan if Von is out longer and Greg R does not heal up quick. 

[bigduke6]

story of this season,  injuries too key players,  ugh.    get well soon Von.

[Johnnycage46]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Hilarious in a completely unfunny way how before the season folks were arguing that the entire AFC West could make the playoffs and it turns out the Chiefs are yet again gifted a weak division, while the AFC East has four teams above .500 last week of November.

 

Which, along with the rest of the Bills opponents this year, could end up being a blessing in disguise.  The Bills are battle tested this season for sure.  No gimme games for the rest of the season or playoffs.

[ColoradoBills]

27 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Anyone sitting at home with a few weeks of legs left? Dee Ford, Pernell McPhee, Alex Okafor? Back up plan if Von is out longer and Greg R does not heal up quick. 

 

It seems to me that with IR only a minimum of 4 weeks they should put Von on it and bring up Mike Love full time.

 

Then if Von is ready, he would be eligible to come back for the Bengals and New England games to tune up for the playoffs.

If Love gets poached or he uses all his "call ups", they could get in trouble if there are any more injuries.

[WideNine]

1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:

Hilarious in a completely unfunny way how before the season folks were arguing that the entire AFC West could make the playoffs and it turns out the Chiefs are yet again gifted a weak division, while the AFC East has four teams above .500 last week of November.

 

Miami came on a bit towards the end of last season and many predicted Miami to be right behind the Bills... if it was not for a game played in 120 degrees with no shade that is likely where they would be.

 

The Jets have a defensive coach with a defensive system that he brought from the 49ers that was very good. With an embarrassment of high draft picks that team is coming together behind it's defense.

 

Belichick has probably the weakest roster, but usually finds a way to get the most out if it.

 

Thinking they would all sit idly by and watch the Bills own the division was a bit hopeful, but unrealistic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Low Positive]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Von said on his twitch stream today that he will be back, hopefully in 1-2 weeks

What gets me is that you post this, which is actual news, and people keep up the doom and gloom speculation below. The human psyche is endlessly fascinating.

[HappyDays]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Von said on his twitch stream today that he will be back, hopefully in 1-2 weeks

 

He said he'll be back playing, or back in the building to test his knee out? Because the latest report is that they won't know how severe it is for another couple of weeks.

[Dablitzkrieg]

Just now, HappyDays said:

 

He said he'll be back playing, or back in the building to test his knee out? Because the latest report is that they won't know how severe it is for another couple of weeks.

Playing 

[HappyDays]

5 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

Playing 

 

Do you happen to have a clip? Not doubting you I would just like to hear exactly what he says. If he knows he'll be back playing within 2 weeks that is incredible news and our Super Bowl hopes are still alive.

[Dablitzkrieg]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Do you happen to have a clip? Not doubting you I would just like to hear exactly what he says. If he knows he'll be back playing within 2 weeks that is incredible news and our Super Bowl hopes are still alive.

No, no clip.  I understand if people will not believe me.  I just subscribe to his channel 

[ngbills]

11 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

No, no clip.  I understand if people will not believe me.  I just subscribe to his channel 

Hopefully. Med reports so far have said re-evaluated in 7-10 days so playing in 1-2 seeks seem aggressive. 

[JaCrispy]

I predict he’ll be be back in time for the playoffs 

[Simon]

58 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said:

What gets me is that you post this, which is actual news, and people keep up the doom and gloom speculation below. The human psyche is endlessly fascinating.

 

Von Miller is a fine DE, but he is not a doctor. He can talk all day about how he'll be right back, but it's up to the knee, not to him.

[BigAl2526]

I'm assuming that Miller will need surgery at some point on his torn meniscus.  The question is, do they do the surgery now or slap a brace on his knee and let him have surgery in February (after the Super Bowl).  If Miller opts to wait on the surgery, and the tear isn't too bad, he may only need a week or two for the inflammation to calm down so he can play.

[BillsFanSD]

1 hour ago, WideNine said:

 

Miami came on a bit towards the end of last season and many predicted Miami to be right behind the Bills... if it was not for a game played in 120 degrees with no shade that is likely where they would be.

 

The Jets have a defensive coach with a defensive system that he brought from the 49ers that was very good. With an embarrassment of high draft picks that team is coming together behind it's defense.

 

Belichick has probably the weakest roster, but usually finds a way to get the most out if it.

 

Thinking they would all sit idly by and watch the Bills own the division was a bit hopeful, but unrealistic.

 

I have to admit to having gotten this one wrong.

 

I thought Miami would be a fringe playoff team this year, but not one that would give us any real problems.  That was based on me having a comparatively low view of Tua.  I'm still not convinced that he's legitimately good, but he's obviously good enough to take advantage of the weapons that the team put around him.  

 

I thought this would be the year that New England would just go away.  The talent level of their roster is really pretty bad, and Jones is probably not the answer at QB.  But as you note, Belichick figures out a way to make this team relevant even when it has no business being relevant.  I should have learned that lesson last year, when he got a 5-12 roster into the playoffs somehow.  

 

I've really like the last two Jets draft classes, but I thought they were still a year or so away.  I actually still kind of stand by this one.  They're not as good as their record and we had no business losing to them.  If they address the QB position this offseason I see them as a legit playoff team next year, but they don't have a playoff-caliber QB on their roster right now. 

[Nitro]

 Someone has a voodoo doll and doing a number on the Bills.  Never seen this team so decimated on one side of the ball with injuries.  The staring lineup against the Rams only two of them have not missed time due to injuries.  Brutal but this defense has kept the Bills in games.   

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Anyone sitting at home with a few weeks of legs left? Dee Ford, Pernell McPhee, Alex Okafor? Back up plan if Von is out longer and Greg R does not heal up quick. 

 

Bradley Chubb was available but draft capital 

 

Can’t just dump the 25th - 31st pick
 

If we have to watch him and Jeff Wilson Jr lead Miami to a division title or more, OBJ go to Dallas, CMC lead the 49ers to a SB well -   Boogie Basham James Cook Terrel Bernard AJ Epenessa and Matt Araiza’s lawsuit - these are the reasons we won’t.  Not counting on the 2022 rookies but they should have been expendable capital (trade up for Hall?  Pickens?) for this years team.  The future is now.  Ffs
 

They built this team they get all the credit in the world for turning it around.  
 

But the Miller contract was needed because Boogie and AJ weren’t enough and Groot was still an unknown.  Miller is 33.  We gave him that deal hoping for 2-3 years of great to elite production.  
 

Injuries NEED to be planned for.  They are INEVITABLE.  
 

You don’t want just 1 elite WR you need two.  You don’t want just one elite DE find a way to get 2.  You don’t just want one good RB you need 2.  Some of us were pounding the table for this all off season.    
 

Eagles 49ers Dolphins Bengals Chargers Vikings all understand this.  

 

What about the Chiefs?  They have the ultimate cheat code in Kelce.  But they’re as flawed currently as us - JuJu and “the others” are enough so long as Mahomes plays great.  If Mahomes is off they won’t win.  And he’s been great since they lost to us.  
 

Because our D is decimated, that’s us now.
 

Allen will need to catch fire for this team to win it all.  

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

3 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Bradley Chubb was available but draft capital 

 

Can’t just dump the 25th - 31st pick
 

If we have to watch him and Jeff Wilson Jr lead Miami to a division title or more, OBJ go to Dallas, CMC lead the 49ers to a SB well -   Boogie Basham James Cook Terrel Bernard AJ Epenessa and Matt Araiza’s lawsuit - these are the reasons we won’t.  Not counting on the 2022 rookies but they should have been expendable capital (trade up for Hall?  Pickens?) for this years team.  The future is now.  Ffs
 

They built this team they get all the credit in the world for turning it around.  
 

But the Miller contract was needed because Boogie and AJ weren’t enough and Groot was still an unknown.  Miller is 33.  We gave him that deal hoping for 2-3 years of great to elite production.  
 

Injuries NEED to be planned for.  They are INEVITABLE.  
 

You don’t want just 1 elite WR you need two.  You don’t want just one elite DE find a way to get 2.  You don’t just want one good RB you need 2.  Some of us were pounding the table for this all off season.    
 

Eagles 49ers Dolphins Bengals Chargers Vikings all understand this.  

 

What about the Chiefs?  They have the ultimate cheat code in Kelce.  But they’re as flawed currently as us - JuJu and “the others” are enough so long as Mahomes plays great.  If Mahomes is off they won’t win.  And he’s been great since they lost to us.  
 

Because our D is decimated, that’s us now.
 

Allen will need to catch fire for this team to win it all.  

This is a bit unfair. It is really rare for teams To have two all-pro defensive ends. I think the Bills’ plan B if Miller got injured was the young guns at end they invested a ton of high draft capital in. To me, that is acceptable planning. 

[Big Blitz]

19 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

This is a bit unfair. It is really rare for teams To have two all-pro defensive ends. I think the Bills’ plan B if Miller got injured was the young guns at end they invested a ton of high draft capital in. To me, that is acceptable planning. 

 

True I don’t disagree with our approach to DE at least.  Doesn’t excuse the AJ and Boogie picks but teams whiff.  My point about valuing those picks as if they’re sacred and to get more of them is for teams looking to rebuild imo.  For the “trade back” crowd.  

 

 

Hoping that your 2 are Groot and Miller is fine.  They have done a good job with D line depth.  Everywhere else is not the depth we thought - I’ll remain open to Davis needing more time.  
 

 

[Dan]

13 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

True I don’t disagree with our approach to DE at least.  Doesn’t excuse the AJ and Boogie picks but teams whiff.  My point about valuing those picks as if they’re sacred and to get more of them is for teams looking to rebuild imo.  For the “trade back” crowd.  

 

 

Hoping that your 2 are Groot and Miller is fine.  They have done a good job with D line depth.  Everywhere else is not the depth we thought - I’ll remain open to Davis needing more time.  
 

 

How can anyone say this?  We’re currently 8-3 (better record than last year) and we’ve had to rely on our depth players all over the field since week 1.   We’ve had day 1 starters miss multiple games at pretty much every position except QB and RB.   I would say our roster depth has been tremendous. 

[Bob Chandler's Hands]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

It seems to me that with IR only a minimum of 4 weeks they should put Von on it and bring up Mike Love full time.

 

Then if Von is ready, he would be eligible to come back for the Bengals and New England games to tune up for the playoffs.

If Love gets poached or he uses all his "call ups", they could get in trouble if there are any more injuries.

Or they could sign Love to the active roster and cut one of the useless linebackers who were easily replaced by picking up AJ Klein off the waiver wire, as an upgrade. 

 

I don't think we're at huge risk of Mike Love being signed by another team. Always possible, but he's been available around the league for several years now. 

[vanhalen26]

He’s on twitch again playing call of duty.  I heard him say the limited treatment he’s already had has helped and he’s hoping it’s 1-2 games and then he’ll give it a try.  So no reason to believe the gloom and doom just yet, we’ll see.  It’s give it a try vs good to go, so he really doesn’t know the season outlook.

[NickelCity]

11 minutes ago, vanhalen26 said:

He’s on twitch again playing call of duty.  I heard him say the limited treatment he’s already had has helped and he’s hoping it’s 1-2 games and then he’ll give it a try.  So no reason to believe the gloom and doom just yet, we’ll see.  It’s give it a try vs good to go, so he really doesn’t know the season outlook.

 

Is this real?