[Name Only Title] Ed Oliver

[Freddie's Dead]

8 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

This is a confusing statement to make

 

Only if you think resign and re-sign are synonyms, which they are not.  I am for resigning Ed Oliver.  More clear?

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Only if you think resign and re-sign are synonyms, which they are not.  I am for resigning Ed Oliver.  More clear?

 

Ahhh, I see what you did there - Touche

[Hebert19]

They threw the ball quick on all but like 3 throws.  No D line is getting there that quick. 

[Freddie's Dead]

1 minute ago, SCBills said:

 

Ahhh, I see what you did there - Touche

 

I mused in the karma thread that perhaps it was because I've been backing off as the Grammar Nazi of TBD.  To correct and serve....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, Hebert19 said:

They threw the ball quick on all but like 3 throws.  No D line is getting there that quick. 

Ah, so, maybe spending 5 draft picks and multiple FA signings on the DL was a mistake?

 

[Success]

Pretty hot takey thread.

 

When he has played this season, he has been a force.  Players can have bad games once in awhile.  

 

[pocoboy]

5 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Only if you think resign and re-sign are synonyms, which they are not.  I am for resigning Ed Oliver.  More clear?

 

If we want to get all semantical and punctuational here, only the employee can resign, the employer terminates.

[Hebert19]

36 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ed Oliver, Knox, and Edmunds probably shouldn’t be re-signed.

 
Already signed 1. Poyer is much more important. Keep Jordan Phillips for half the price of Oliver.

Poyer over Edmunds shows you don't understand our D.  Draft a safety and bring back Edmunds. 

[Freddie's Dead]

2 minutes ago, pocoboy said:

 

If we want to get all semantical and punctuational here, only the employee can resign, the employer terminates.

 

Best I can do when people confuse resign and re-sign.

[DCofNC]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

This sums up your entire post and reminds us how little you know. 

Tyrod fooled a lot of fans into thinking he was good bc they had never watched a real QB. Same thing here, play next to Star and you look like one for simply not sucking.

 

Oliver is an average rotational player. 

[NewEra]

45 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

Tyrod fooled a lot of fans into thinking he was good bc they had never watched a real QB. Same thing here, play next to Star and you look like one for simply not sucking.

 

Oliver is an average rotational player. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

Poyer over Edmunds shows you don't understand our D.  Draft a safety and bring back Edmunds. 

It’s value of contract for me. I don’t see room for $15 million LB.

[Fred Slacks]

I think Ed Oliver has had like 3 sacks this season called back on CB's holding.  Plenty of pressure up the middle too.  Yesterday's game I think was an outlier for a lot of players on this team.  Oliver will be resigned.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Hebert19 said:

They threw the ball quick on all but like 3 throws.  No D line is getting there that quick. 

But what they were not able to do is take away the first read which this team has done before against other opponents.  The Jets had a good gameplan they were able to execute.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

Didn’t realize Bills played a whole season in one game yesterday.  

[Simon]

 

Some items for all the wags who have been telling us how awful he is:

 

> Ed Oliver not only led all DLinemen in tackles yesterday, he had twice as many as anybody else up front. 

     - He had more tackles than all the other DT's on the roster combined

      - The fumble that Epenesa recovered would never have happened without Oliver's play so he also had a hand in a turnover

     -  He also had the hustle play of the day when he sprinted 25 yards downfield on the opposite sideline and saved a 70+ yard TD

Going into yesterday Ed Oliver led all Bills DT's in QB hits despite missing 3 1/2 games with injury

He's also had multiple sacks taken away due to penalties on other players

 

 

Just because you don't "notice him" or some talking head fails to mention him, doesn't mean he sucks. It means that if you can't see what he's doing then you don't know what you're looking for. Some folks ought to  consider practicing some humility instead of spouting off about things that they don't understand.

 

 

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

What was your screen name before you changed it

Yes, it's the same utterly clueless crusader that you think it is

[msw2112]

7 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Some items for all the wags who have been telling us how awful he is:

 

> Ed Oliver not only led all DLinemen in tackles yesterday, he had twice as many as anybody else up front. 

     - He had more tackles than all the other DT's on the roster combined

      - The fumble that Epenesa recovered would never have happened without Oliver's play so he also had a hand in a turnover

     -  He also had the hustle play of the day when he sprinted 25 yards downfield on the opposite sideline and saved a 70+ yard TD

Going into yesterday Ed Oliver led all Bills DT's in QB hits despite missing 3 1/2 games with injury

He's also had multiple sacks taken away due to penalties on other players

 

 

Just because you don't "notice him" or some talking head fails to mention him, doesn't mean he sucks. It means that if you can't see what he's doing then you don't know what you're looking for. Some folks ought to  consider practicing some humility instead of spouting off about things that they don't understand.

 

 

Yes, it's the same utterly clueless crusader that you think it is

 

Good post.  I was disappointed because the defensive line has not had a good past 2 games against the run and I didn't notice Oliver making much of a difference (and yes, I didn't hear his "name called" by the TV announcers).  I was at the GB game and also didn't see/hear much from Oliver.  He was great in LA (I was at that one too) before he hurt his ankle and then he was out for a few weeks.  He had a great season last year.

 

It's good to see some positive information and another viewpoint.  I was in the "Oliver isn't doing much category."  I'm now more in the "keep an open mind" category.  Let's hope his name is called a lot next week.  I recall in past seasons (maybe last year) the Bills run-D having a couple of bad games and the team making some adjustments.  They were getting AJ Klein on the field, who played well.  Hopefully, they can insert another LB who can help (given that Klein is no longer on the roster), and maybe Milano will be back too.  If the run-D is solidified, that will take some of the negative attention off of the interior d-linemen like Oliver.

[RyanC883]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ed Oliver, Knox, and Edmunds probably shouldn’t be re-signed.

 
Already signed 1. Poyer is much more important. Keep Jordan Phillips for half the price of Oliver.

 

Knox has been blocking and for whatever reason the coaches/JA forget we have receiving options beyond Diggs/Davis.  

[Roundybout]

41 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Some items for all the wags who have been telling us how awful he is:

 

> Ed Oliver not only led all DLinemen in tackles yesterday, he had twice as many as anybody else up front. 

     - He had more tackles than all the other DT's on the roster combined

      - The fumble that Epenesa recovered would never have happened without Oliver's play so he also had a hand in a turnover

     -  He also had the hustle play of the day when he sprinted 25 yards downfield on the opposite sideline and saved a 70+ yard TD

Going into yesterday Ed Oliver led all Bills DT's in QB hits despite missing 3 1/2 games with injury

He's also had multiple sacks taken away due to penalties on other players

 

 

Just because you don't "notice him" or some talking head fails to mention him, doesn't mean he sucks. It means that if you can't see what he's doing then you don't know what you're looking for. Some folks ought to  consider practicing some humility instead of spouting off about things that they don't understand.

 

 

Yes, it's the same utterly clueless crusader that you think it is

 

Half this board demands he's the second coming of Warren Sapp. He's a damn good lineman who draws double teams all the time. 

[HOUSE]

He likes horses and lives in East Aurora....he stays

(Private joke )

 

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Edited November 7, 2022 by HOUSE

[Victory Formation]

5 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

He’s good, if not very good but shouldn’t fetch top dollar. He’s worth bringing back at the right price.

[Billz4ever]

Outside of Von and Rousseau, this entire D-Line, has seemed to get worse and worse each week that goes by.  I don't know if it's due to the rotation they are on or what, but you would think with them getting the frequent breaks from swapping, they would be good and fresh.  This doesn't seem to be the case. Poor tackling, taking themselves out of run plays by not staying home and clogging up their assigned gaps because it seems the focus is more trying to get up field and after the QB, etc.

 

The D-Line was supposed to be a big strength of this team this season, but they seem to be on a downhill trajectory lately.

 

If Von needs to get on them and tell them they each need to start pulling their own weight, I hope he's able to do that and be Von the captain, the leader, and vet, not just Von the nice guy.  

 

Time to get on them, Captain.

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by Billz4ever

[CoudyBills]

9 hours ago, Fred Slacks said:

I think Ed Oliver has had like 3 sacks this season called back on CB's holding.  Plenty of pressure up the middle too.  Yesterday's game I think was an outlier for a lot of players on this team.  Oliver will be resigned.

That's Ed's best attribute.  Run defense leaves a bit to be desired.

[GreggTX]

He's a hair's width above average for a NFL starting DT. He won't be selling insurance any time soon and I doubt he'll ever be invited to a probowl. We need to focus more on the OL.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

13 minutes ago, GreggTX said:

He's a hair's width above average for a NFL starting DT. He won't be selling insurance any time soon and I doubt he'll ever be invited to a probowl. We need to focus more on the OL.

Correct! And on offensive weapons. No more resources to the defense 

[IndyMark]

17 hours ago, Simon said:

 

> Ed Oliver not only led all DLinemen in tackles yesterday, he had twice as many as anybody else up front. 

     - He had more tackles than all the other DT's on the roster combined

      - The fumble that Epenesa recovered would never have happened without Oliver's play so he also had a hand in a turnover

     -  He also had the hustle play of the day when he sprinted 25 yards downfield on the opposite sideline and saved a 70+ yard TD

 

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

Edited November 8, 2022 by IndyMark

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

39 minutes ago, IndyMark said:

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

Ergo, all the "pass rush win rate" foolishness. Sure, he beats his blocker. But he never makes the play.

 

[Billzgobowlin]

Yet we were missing him in the first few games he was injured says a lot of people on here.  I have a feeling he is playing a little injured

[mrags]

If we resign him I’ll be severely disappointed. However I’ll also be disappointed when we draft another defender to replace him. Not addressing the OL or weapons for Josh is going to be an ongoing thing and it angers me 

[hemma]

I think he’s a hard worker, but his arms are 31 3/4”, which is the bottom 7% of DT.  I checked arm length vs performance back before we drafted him and was unable to find an all-Pro DT historically with his length arms or shorter.  Compound that with the fact he’s a bit undersized and I’m not surprised with his output.  

May have been over drafted but bottom line, I think I’d be a pass on pushing big money in his direction, given our other needs.

 

 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

It's amazing how many people watch the same thing but draw such different conclusions 

[T master]

22 hours ago, ToBillsFan said:

Who can justify resigning this man?

 

0 sacks 0 effect on the run game. All this in his contract year where he should be destroying everything in his way.

 

I kind of agree i personal think he's playing out of position he doesn't have enough ass for where he's playing i wish they would tying him as a DE on a few plays given he supposedly has a great first step i think he may be able to be more effective form there .

 

You put what 287 against s0me O linemen at 320 or so unless they are really slow that makes life so much harder on him he's a good player but i don't think he will be wanting much more than what he's worth .

 

They played him at a different position on the D line in college which was where he made a name for him self so try him in different spots & see what he might be able to do they said this is the better position for him but i feel he's undersized where he's at . 

[DCofNC]

2 hours ago, IndyMark said:

 

I appreciate the above as I have been super cold on Ed as there is a chasm between his statistics and the eye test.  I have to admit I am likely biased against him due to his underproduction based on his draft pick status (9 overall?), which I know he did not control. 

 

As someone above (GreggTX) states, he is a hair above "average".  No way he is top 10, that is just goofy to consider. But he is not horrible, either.

 

He is replaceable and not worth a heavy re-signing at all. 

 

He seems like a good guy, works hard, but he is inconsistent and while he can hit the quarterback rarely does it have impact.  The image of him sliding down Mahomes as he is trying to sack him, yet, Mahomes stays upright and throws a TD, is quintessentially Ed Oliver.....close, but not close enough.

He’s a better Justin Zimmer. 

[Sharky7337]

23 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

Disagreeing is when people say that they think Oliver is "doing his job". What I read so often on here is people flaming on the post, implying that the person isn't a real Bills fan.

Yep.

[ArtVandalay]

On 11/7/2022 at 10:51 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

no he wasn't.

 

he's NEVER performed to the level of his draft selection.

 

I've tried to say this over and over.  People just don't get it.  He's been an average player at best. I wouldn't have given the 5th year option but it's 1 year i understand taking the chance.  No chance he signs an extension though just flat out not worth it. 

 

You'll never get many to admit it because people don't want to be critical of players.... just like Dawson Knox. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 minutes ago, ArtVandalay said:

I've tried to say this over and over.  People just don't get it.  He's been an average player at best. I wouldn't have given the 5th year option but it's 1 year i understand taking the chance.  No chance he signs an extension though just flat out not worth it. 

 

You'll never get many to admit it because people don't want to be critical of players.... just like Dawson Knox. 

It's been a battle I've fought since the day he was drafted. You just DON'T draft that position at 9.

 

i wouldn't have felt that way had he been a second rounder.

 

[SoCal Deek]

13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

It's been a battle I've fought since the day he was drafted. You just DON'T draft that position at 9.

 

i wouldn't have felt that way had he been a second rounder.

 

It’s interesting but I’ve never cared when somebody was drafted. It’s sort of like being in a company and not carrying where your degree is from. You’re either going to be a stand out performer on the job or flounder around in the staff workroom. Each year that passes your draft order becomes less and less important. If Ed was going to become a stand out, he already would have. It doesn’t make him a bad person. It’s just reality. 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

I was opposed to the Oliver pick during the draft. He will likely never live up to his draft status. He appeared to be slowly getting better each year. 

I 100% agree with picking up his option. You control him for another year and delays the decision to commit to him for another year. They can walk away after 2023 with no cap hit. 

Im not even sure he is above average.  If he wants to sign an extension that pays him like a 20-25th starting DT in the league that would be fine. It would be relatively low risk overpay and at least you know what you are getting.

 

Beane needs to draft offense round 1-3. 

[damj]

Whenever I see a player name thread, I think "Oh hell, now HE'S injured"

[JerseyBills]

On 11/7/2022 at 10:45 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Slowly but surely, people are seeing what I've known to be true for years.

 

It's a shame because he has so much potential.  Just very inconsistent