Kadarius Toney to the Chiefs for picks

[Rc2catch]

Seems like a smart move for them. I think they really needed some pass rush or secondary help a lot more than another receiver.. But maybe this was the only guy actually available they could get. I’m sure Reid will find a way to make him useful. 

[Jauronimo]

2 minutes ago, BillsShredder83 said:

He was a deep threat before Jones became his qb, but even more important than that, he's a homeowner threat anytime he touches the ball.

 

Mind blowing they didn't find a way to scheme him touches, Reid will make that work. He'll always be the fastest guy on the field and he's more slippery than tyreek.

 

Too bad for him he's a complete moronnnnnnn

Is he doing his own electrical work?

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think the character concerns are overblown… He’s been questioned about his playing time by the press and he’s handled it very well suggesting wins are all that matter. 

THAT’s why you think the character concerns are overblown?  ROFL!!!  Splash some water on your face and have someone slap some sense into you.  Because he didn’t have a melt down when answered some questions.
 

Not knowing the playbook.  Not attending OTA’s. Poor meeting behavior.  Driving around college with a loaded AK.  Painting an air soft gun to look like an AK and pointing it at people.  Always injured.  Several opinions stating that his rap career is more important than his football career.  Schoen and Dabol not wanting anything to do with him.  
 

But ok.  Sounds and looks like a mini Sammy watkins to me.  Always broken head case that doesn’t have his priorities in order.  Maybe a change of scenery can change things around for the kid?  I wouldn’t spend a 3rd and 6th on him.  No one else would either.  

[Gugny]

3 minutes ago, Jauronimo said:

Is he doing his own electrical work?

 

I was actually thinking that he does home invasions.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Eagles and Chiefs make a decent move. What will Beane do?

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

Seems to me this trade is a direct result of our game at Arrowhead 11 days ago.  It’s an arms race, and the Chiefs saw that they were losing.  Your move, Beane…

 

Does McD agree with giving up picks to improve the offense at the deadline is what I think this comes down to.  I don't know.

 

Their last attempt at a deadline deal was the move for Kelvin Benjamin 5 years ago.  Perhaps they feel comfortable again, but I think there's a prevailing mindset at OBD that Josh and their receiver group are enough.  I hope this is inaccurate, but so far their investment at WR and on the OL the past 2 off-seasons indicates a certain contentment with their guys.        

 

22 minutes ago, Florida Bills Fanatic said:

This trade tells me more about Sky Moore and Hardman than it does about Toney.  If either one of those two guys were playing well, the Chiefs would not have taken this kind of gamble.  I also believe that the Chiefs have come to the realization that they need to score more points to offset some obvious deficiencies on their defense.  This may also be an indication that KC is off OBJ's list of potential destinations and Toney is their plan "B".

 

Really doesn't matter what it says about underperformers.  Chiefs paid a price to acquire a guy they think will flourish in that scheme.  Kelce, Juju, Scantling, and Toney is a lot for any defense to matchup against. As for the offensive investment, Reid has the pull in that organization like McD does at OBD.  They build their teams based on the favored side of the ball.  

[OZBILLS]

Kadarius is a good dude. Character issues my ass.

 

I wanted him bad

[BillsShredder83]

3 minutes ago, OZBILLS said:

Kadarius is a good dude. Character issues my ass.

 

I wanted him bad

I been wanting this dude for 2 years, exactly the piece to dynamically change this offense. I knew it was never going to happen, buttttt every report I've seen is pretty contradictory to "good dude"

[YattaOkasan]

8 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Really doesn't matter what it says about underperformers.  Chiefs paid a price to acquire a guy they think will flourish in that scheme.  Kelce, Juju, Scantling, and Toney is a lot for any defense to matchup against. As for the offensive investment, Reid has the pull in that organization like McD does at OBD.  They build their teams based on the favored side of the ball.  

Those 4 players dont really scare me more than what they had when we played in week 5.  We played the 3-2-6 with Siran Neal and were fine with Hardman in for Toney.  I think we can still run that defense and have success running 2 man or cover 1 lurk.  Beyond that I think with Tre back we can replace Siran with Benford as the 6th DB.  I think were too good in nickel and dime and people are gonna really need to be clever to get us out of those personnel packages.  

[OZBILLS]

44 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think the character concerns are overblown… He’s been questioned about his playing time by the press and he’s handled it very well suggesting wins are all that matter. 

100% 

I've followed him closely. He takes no ***** from the media who tried sucking him into clapping back.

 

He's just got a nagging hammy that's no doubt fine now he's at KC.

 

[ColoradoBills]

Injuries are crazy with this guy.

https://www.draftsharks.com/fantasy/injury-history/kadarius-toney/10774

 

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

Let's just sign OBJ in a month without giving up draft picks.

[beebe]

This wasn't a 2022 move for the Chiefs. This was a 2023-2025 move. They get Toney cheap. Reports surfaced before the '21 draft that GM Veach loved him. Now he gets his guy and he fills a need for next year (goodbye Hardman.) The Chiefs are probably happier with Toney than any receiver they could have drafted next year.

 

Historically, new WRs take time to acclimate to Andy's offense (it's no surprise Skyy Moore has started slow.) I can't think of many who have come in and made instant impacts. Reportedly, this addition doesn't take the Chiefs out of play for OBJ either. (The trade for Toney might have in part been motivated by the 450k the Chiefs just saved from Frank Clark's two-game suspension.)

 

The net of the Chiefs Tyreek Hill trade is starting to look really smart. The Chiefs have reloaded in a major way and look super healthy for another 5-year run.

 

They added four rookies who look like they'll be long-term impactful — DE Karlaftis and CB McDuffie and WR Moore and CB Watson — and they are already using three other defenders in the rotation from the '22 draft (CB Williams made the INT last week vs 49ers; LB Chenel and S Cook have both played significant snaps.)

 

KC's cap situation is fantastic: Next year the Chiefs have the 13th most cap space (and will be able to free up more space). Mahomes' deal is super team friendly and can be easily reworked. They have all their picks next year (actually a few extras). Had they kept Tyreek, they'd have almost no flexibility, and would not have been able to stockpile as much draft capital as they have. 

 

Oh, and then the obvious: KC's offense is #1 DVOA offense in the entire league. They lead in PPG despite playing many good defenses (Bills #1; Bucs #5; 49ers #7, Colts #11; and Chargers D pre injuries piling up.) The Tyreek Hill departure makes them less scary on offense, but it hasn't made them less efficient to date. And in theory, the new crop of WRs are just getting chemistry down with Mahomes. It's very early. 

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[chongli]

Thanks Schoen and Daboll for trading an asset to our chief rival. Payback is coming next year.

[gonzo1105]

51 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Who?

 

I explained in a later reply. Meant for malcontents and trouble makers not for reclamation projects.

1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

What are you referring to when you say, "Guys like this"?

 

Guys who are malcontents who have troubled pasts

59 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Think the character concerns are overblown… He’s been questioned about his playing time by the press and he’s handled it very well suggesting wins are all that matter. 

 

Lets not forget about the AR-15 the cops caught him with in his car at UF. 

[BillsFan4]

If he wasn’t a culture fit with the giants, he wouldn’t be a culture fit here.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

2 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

I guess we weren’t interested 

 

Essentially a 3rd RD pick for a former 1st RD just over a year ago.  
 

And it will be a high 3rd RD pick somewhere in the high 80s - 90s.  
 

 

Just goes to show you that the Giants didn’t want him

[BillsVet]

22 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Those 4 players dont really scare me more than what they had when we played in week 5.  We played the 3-2-6 with Siran Neal and were fine with Hardman in for Toney.  I think we can still run that defense and have success running 2 man or cover 1 lurk.  Beyond that I think with Tre back we can replace Siran with Benford as the 6th DB.  I think were too good in nickel and dime and people are gonna really need to be clever to get us out of those personnel packages.  

 

When has loading up on defense been proven as a reliable strategy in the playoffs to stop a very good or better offense?  

 

The Bills have beaten KC in the regular season twice in a row.  A solid pass rush helps, but a team that sits tight at the deadline with SB aspirations makes me wonder.  

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

As a few have already mentioned -  This is more about 2023 than now.

 

As of now, JuJu and Hardman are both free agents.  MAYBE KC signs up JuJu...but I dont see him and Hardman...and mabye both aren't back.

 

So that leaves for2023 as of today -

 

MVS

Skyy Moore

Justyn Ross (remember that guy?  major talent from Clemson, but lisfranc foot problems.  KC put him on IR for the year to get him back to 100pct for 2023)

Toney

 

That's it.  IF any of those dudes hit, KC will have cheap, but talented WR group.  Maybe it works, maybe not, but the idea here is .....you have Mahomes....he makes cheap WR talent work, so you can spend your money on things Mahomes can't affect....like D-line.  Or ...maybe a trade for Tunsil....

 

For now, Toney could very well be the punt return man...KC has not done well with that. 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

As a few have already mentioned -  This is more about 2023 than now.

 

As of now, JuJu and Hardman are both free agents.  MAYBE KC signs up JuJu...but I dont see him and Hardman...and mabye both aren't back.

 

So that leaves for2023 as of today -

 

MVS

Skyy Moore

Justyn Ross (remember that guy?  major talent from Clemson, but lisfranc foot problems.  KC put him on IR for the year to get him back to 100pct for 2023)

Toney

 

That's it.  IF any of those dudes hit, KC will have cheap, but talented WR group.  Maybe it works, maybe not, but the idea here is .....you have Mahomes....he makes cheap WR talent work, so you can spend your money on things Mahomes can't affect....like D-line.  Or ...maybe a trade for Tunsil....

 

For now, Toney could very well be the punt return man...KC has not done well with that. 

 

I have more faith in Justyn Ross being a player in the NFL than I do Toney. 

[ColoradoBills]

9 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

When has loading up on defense been proven as a reliable strategy in the playoffs to stop a very good or better offense?  

 

The Bills have beaten KC in the regular season twice in a row.  A solid pass rush helps, but a team that sits tight at the deadline with SB aspirations makes me wonder.  

 

 

 

With the exception of the Rams last year, tell me all these recent SB winning teams and their big deadline trades.

The biggest name was the Eagles trading for Jay Ajayi in 2017.  I went back to 2015.

 

This deadline trade stuff to win SBs is urban legend.

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have more faith in Justyn Ross being a player in the NFL than I do Toney. 

 

Let it go man. You were beating that drum during draft season and I kept telling you no one was going to take him in the draft because of his serious injuries. Then he  gets hurt again. Justyn Ross is lucky he's walking let alone going to be a star in the NFL. 

Edited October 27, 2022 by gonzo1105

[blacklabel]

Talented but has rocks for brains and a crap attitude. 

[KDIGGZ]

3 hours ago, Logic said:

For those saying Toney is a bust...

He has not failed to produce for TALENT reasons.

Health and attitude are major question marks, but he is extremely physically talented. He reminds me of Percy Harvin in his prime.

IF he can stay healthy and learn the playbook, he'll be a playmaker for them. Big "if", though.

He's a Percy Harvin type player in that he's quick and shifty buts he's no Percy Harvin! In his prime he was possibly the best athlete in the entire league.

For anyone who is worried about this, KC already has Sky Moore and they don't even play him.

[zow2]

Somehow Twitter has convinced me that KC just got a hybrid of Tyreek Hill/Antonio Brown….and we should all be shaking in our boots. 

Yet he did next to nothing with Daboll and the NYG.  What’s the deal with this guy? 

[Nextmanup]

They are loading up for the playoff push, which is the only part of the season that matters for a team of KC's ability.

Good for them.

If you are standing still at the deadline, you're really moving backward.

 

 

[JohnNord]

3 hours ago, wolfpack78 said:

Conditional 3rd and a 6th

I think it’s a good pickup for KC - he definitely makes their offense better. I don’t think he’ll pick up any of the slack left by Tyreek, but I can see Andy using him as a gadget player.  

It really is telling though that NYG couldn’t find any use for him.  Their WR room is pretty sorry.  They gave him away for next to nothing 

[The Wiz]

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

JuJu is putting up the second best YPR of his career, the second best YPG of his career and already has 400 more yards than he did last season. 
 

it’s not that early to say that was a successful move. He was basically regarded as a scrub and his career has turned around.

Maybe you're just easier to impress than I am? In any event he's played 2 maybe 3 "good" games as a Chief. The rest of the time he's been fairly absent. I think it's fair to say that there is some promise of upside...but to say it was successful may be a premature statement so far. Let's see how the rest of his season goes.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, chongli said:

Thanks Schoen and Daboll for trading an asset to our chief rival. Payback is coming next year.

I tried to warn folks they are closet Bills haters. They could've traded us Saquon before the season 😎

[aristocrat]

Future hall of famer Toney. I’m shaking in my boots. 

[billsbackto81]

4 hours ago, Warcodered said:

Guess they're not getting OBJ? 

That's what I was thinking as well. Maybe too rich or already has a destination in mind.

[BillsVet]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

With the exception of the Rams last year, tell me all these recent SB winning teams and their big deadline trades.

The biggest name was the Eagles trading for Jay Ajayi in 2017.  I went back to 2015.

 

This deadline trade stuff to win SBs is urban legend.

 

Melvin Ingram  impacted that Divisional game last time.  Oh, and there was another guy last season...Von Miller?  Anyone heard of him?  He went from Denver to the Rams.

 

Trades at the deadline used to be a rare occurrence...but teams are seeing the benefit now and why deals are happening more often.  Check the number of deals in 2020-21 versus 10 years previous.  

 

 

[Logic]

2 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

With the exception of the Rams last year, tell me all these recent SB winning teams and their big deadline trades.

 

"Other than just last year, when a trade deadline acquisition resulted in a team winning the Super Bowl, when was the the last time it happened!"

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

 

Let it go man. You were beating that drum during draft season and I kept telling you no one was going to take him in the draft because of his serious injuries. Then he  gets hurt again. Justyn Ross is lucky he's walking let alone going to be a star in the NFL. 

 

I accept he could be too injured to ever get on the field. But if he does get on the field he is a legit NFL starter. I'd still have been willing to take a flier of a day 3 pick on him. 

[frostbitmic]

Every pass that goes his way is one less going to Kelce.

[ColoradoBills]

15 minutes ago, BillsVet said:

 

Melvin Ingram  impacted that Divisional game last time.  Oh, and there was another guy last season...Von Miller?  Anyone heard of him?  He went from Denver to the Rams.

 

Trades at the deadline used to be a rare occurrence...but teams are seeing the benefit now and why deals are happening more often.  Check the number of deals in 2020-21 versus 10 years previous.  

 

 

 

If you read my post accurately, I said, "other than the Rams".

Hey, I've already said adding a guy like OBJ could be a good move.

Trading for some guy using draft picks and taking on big money is not a great move IMO.

 

Let's see what Beane does by Tuesday.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, beebe said:

Oh, and then the obvious: KC's offense is #1 DVOA offense in the entire league. They lead in PPG despite playing many good defenses (Bills #1; Bucs #5; 49ers #7, Colts #11; and Chargers D pre injuries piling up.) The Tyreek Hill departure makes them less scary on offense, but it hasn't made them less efficient to date.

 

That's all fair, but as a Bills fan I dont care how you guys perform against other defenses. Tyreek Hill being traded away makes it much easier for our defense to stop you, and we saw that two weeks ago. I would argue that the improvement in offensive DVOA from last year to this year is more about Mahomes not inexplicably forgetting how to play QB like he did over a several game stretch last year. He's back at his usual elite level, but even playing at that level we were able to hold you to 20 points. In the long term the trade makes sense, in the short term it makes you less likely to win a Super Bowl this year.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

He’s handled the benching/lack of playing time well… despite being pressed by the media to give them some snark, disrespectful or immature remarks about the organization and staff.

Perhaps he’s turned a corner? 

Honestly think OBJ is an option come a few weeks…. Number one concern with this team for me remains offensive line… and by concern I mean what might hold them back from winning the SB.

Perhaps.  I wouldn’t use that as evidence to support that his character concerns are no more.  Definite character concerns.  But perhaps.

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Maybe you're just easier to impress than I am? In any event he's played 2 maybe 3 "good" games as a Chief. The rest of the time he's been fairly absent. I think it's fair to say that there is some promise of upside...but to say it was successful may be a premature statement so far. Let's see how the rest of his season goes.

No it's all about the risk-reward and what the player was thought of before he took that deal.

 

JuJu's last two seasons, he average a dreadful 8.7 YPR.  That's like a running back stat line.

 

His first year as an FA, he signed a 1 yr $8M deal with $7M GTD with the Steelers.  He had 15 catches for 129 yards and only appeared in 5 games.

 

He then hits FA again and his deal with KC was team-friendly to say the least. 1 year $3.7M with 2.7M GTD. And then, like I said, he's on pace to have the second best year of his career.

 

For what KC paid to get him (a 1 year low-cost prove it deal on a WR bordering on out of the league), he's absolutely working out.