So Who Will Not Be a Bill by September?

[No_Matter_What]

2 minutes ago, Rico said:

Ex-Jet on an extremely cheap contract, it would be no big deal to let him go.

Quality of his play is a big deal. Why would we let go somebody who is like 100% top 5 WR on our roster? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

And the fact that he is on a cheap contract makes it even less likely.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

54 minutes ago, Rico said:

Crowder.

That would be a surprise for sure!

[UConn James]

Depending on how disgruntled he gets… possibly Poyer. Would kinda hate to break up that safety pairing, but there’s Neal and Johnson behind him, yes?

[chris heff]

4 minutes ago, UConn James said:

Depending on how disgruntled he gets… possibly Poyer. Would kinda hate to break up that safety pairing, but there’s Neal and Johnson behind him, yes?

Poyer is still under contract.

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Ford saves money but I still think he stays. They will give him one last shot under new OL coach and it's not like we have better options.

 

Haack is gone for sure but he saves only a little money. I think its less than $400k if you consider that he needs to be replaced by Araiza.

 

Don't you think that Matakevich could be cut? Cutting him saves quite a lot. Any chance that Spector (or anybody else) pushes him off the roster?

 

I'd be surprised if Matakevich is cut. Is it possible? Yes. But I'd be surprised. For Ford to stay he has to be AT LEAST their best backup lineman. If he is not that then he is overpaid for what value he offers the team.

[chris heff]

33 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

Why would you keep moss over duke?

Moss is better 

[Rico]

14 minutes ago, No_Matter_What said:

Quality of his play is a big deal. Why would we let go somebody who is like 100% top 5 WR on our roster? Makes absolutely no sense to me.

 

And the fact that he is on a cheap contract makes it even less likely.

Because it could be that all he knows is how to lose. Last thing you want on a true Super Bowl contender is someone who is anti-clutch. Maybe he steps up & I will tip my hat to him, maybe he’s the next Jeremy Kerley.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

You people on this crusade are going to be awfully disappointed when his 5th year option and long term extension get signed.   I can't wait

 

Wouldn't be at all surprised if this happens, at the least he's there for this season with $12 mil guaranteed and no one else to play MLB

 

Overall think Ford will be back unless they sign another experiences IOL.  He still may be their best and maybe only backup IOL

 

Good chance either Moss or Johnson are gone

 

Sweeney may be gone barring a strong camp.

 

IMO Matakevich could be gone.  A lot will depend on how they feel about some of these rookies taking their ST spots.   Think if it comes down to him or Jones they keep Jones.

Edited May 2, 2022 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

[Big Turk]

1 hour ago, JohnNord said:

I’m telling you, it isn’t a given that Araizia replaces Haack based on what Beane said.  Remember the Bills had a punter with a pretty strong leg in Bojorquez.  They replaced him with Haack, knowing that he wasn’t as powerful as a punter, but that was an excellent directional punter and holder.  If that’s what they value, than I think Bass has an inside track on the position.  Araizia is going to have to impress in those areas to win the job.

 

I guess I could see a scenario where Moss is traded, though my guess is he will assume the TJ Yeldon inactive RB3 role.  
 

Im not a fan of Epinesa, but I think his job is safe considering the Bills brought back a veteran like Shaq to push him.  He’ll have to have a terrible a TC to get released/traded.

 

The WR room could get interesting.  The only players I’m certain of will be Diggs, Davis, and Shakir.

 

I don’t anticipate Crowder or McKenzie get cut but Shakir has similar attributes, so you never know.  
 

I think the last spot will be interesting with Kumerow/Hodgins/Stevenson 

 

There is zero chance Haack is our punter next year. Unless Araiza gets injured.

 

What is the obsession with punters being holders these days? It used to be the backup QBs...

 

I guess it's so the backup QB doesn't have to leave to do special teams drills during practice and the specialists can just be off by themselves?

Edited May 2, 2022 by Big Turk

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Ford will be gone. Haack will be gone. They both save money and Brandon told Brown and Tasker today he still needs to save money to have a contingency fund for in season.

 

 

 

How much money will Ford save when you factor in paying his replacement... Isnt it likely who they keep in his place will cost more?

 

Im not saying he makes the team, but his cost wont be the reason..

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 hour ago, BillsBlue said:

He's not worth the money, he has poor instincts, the kid we drafted is his replacement sooner than later bank on it, there's only so much money to go around

The kid we drafted is a Milano clone.  And will most likely replace him eventually.  Milano will be 28

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

How much money will Ford save when you factor in paying his replacement... Isnt it likely who they keep in his place will cost more?

 

Im not saying he makes the team, but his cost wont be the reason..

 

His replacement is already included in the top 51. You are cutting Ford, saving $1.5m and instead the 53rd roster spot is going to a rookie. It isn't like they need to go and sign someone else. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Haack

Moss

[Matt_In_NH]

I think crowder or McKenzie could possibly be gone.   Especially if they get another outside receiver.  
 

Duke Johnson has an uphill battle. 

Edited May 2, 2022 by 13 Second Prevent Defense

[MAJBobby]

2 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

You people on this crusade are going to be awfully disappointed when his 5th year option and long term extension get signed.   I can't wait

100% agree. 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

McKittrick.  And anyone who calls him this.  This is my mission. 

[Aussie Joe]

6 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

His replacement is already included in the top 51. You are cutting Ford, saving $1.5m and instead the 53rd roster spot is going to a rookie. It isn't like they need to go and sign someone else. 

 

If he makes the team  it will be at the expense of Quessonberry or Mancz... one of whom I assume you have in your 51... Boettger is no doubt headed for IR /Practice Squad at the start of the season...

[BADOLBILZ]

53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I'd be surprised if Matakevich is cut. Is it possible? Yes. But I'd be surprised. For Ford to stay he has to be AT LEAST their best backup lineman. If he is not that then he is overpaid for what value he offers the team.

 

 

Yeah they don't really save anything cutting Matakevich or Smith Jr..   Maybe $300K if the player that replaces them is a rookie.   Insignificant.   If they are cut it will be because of their play and/or the trajectory the staff feels they are on versus one of the slightly cheaper options.

[frostbitmic]

Haack - They drafted Araiza and they aren't keeping two Punters. Araiza would get plucked from the PS on day one.

 

Shaq Lawson - He has been on three teams since leaving the Bills. When the Dolphins, Texans and Jests don't want you, that's a big red flag.

 

Duke Johnson - I think he was signed to be the receiving threat out of the backfield and that position now belongs to Cook. IMO, they'll keep the younger Moss for the Yeldon role and let Duke find another team.

[Punching Bag]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Kumerow might make it as a primary gunner this year because they will also need him as outside receiver depth (🤢) which for the first time means I don't think Taiwan Jones, who did look like he had lost half a step in 2021, is a lock.

 

Kumerow like other Bills gets disrespected because he is used as a WR blocker.

 

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Kumerow like other Bills gets disrespected because he is used as a WR blocker.

 

 

I have no beef at all with Kumerow. I like him as a gunner, he can block well he can even be out there in some short yardage packages. My issue is with him as your 3rd outside receiver. That is a spot too high on the depth chart IMO.

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said:

Clinton

 

Billy Blythe?

[FilthyBeast]

Obvious predictions:

 

Moss, Ford, Epensa, Hauck

 

Surprises:

 

McKenzie

Phillips/Lawson (if they underwhelm and fail to recapture 2019 magic)

Matakevich

Taiwan Jones

[Cash]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I have no beef at all with Kumerow. I like him as a gunner, he can block well he can even be out there in some short yardage packages. My issue is with him as your 3rd outside receiver. That is a spot too high on the depth chart IMO.

Agreed. But I’m also of the opinion that McKenzie can play outside (he’s done it some for us), and that McK would start over Kumerow if Diggs or Davis went down. Possibly Crowder as well, but I’ll admit that’s a pure guess on my part. 

[The Jokeman]

54 minutes ago, Cash said:

Agreed. But I’m also of the opinion that McKenzie can play outside (he’s done it some for us), and that McK would start over Kumerow if Diggs or Davis went down. Possibly Crowder as well, but I’ll admit that’s a pure guess on my part. 

I think Crowder stays so Khalil can focus on returning kicks his rookie season. 

[MasterStrategist]

1 hour ago, Cash said:

Agreed. But I’m also of the opinion that McKenzie can play outside (he’s done it some for us), and that McK would start over Kumerow if Diggs or Davis went down. Possibly Crowder as well, but I’ll admit that’s a pure guess on my part. 

Yes, Crowder and Shakir can play outside.  Maybe not fulltime, but either could play 20-30% of their snaps in that role.  Which is what each has basically done historically. That would leave say maybe 50% of snaps to "potentially replace".  But then keeping in mind Diggs moves around the offense alot (ie: motion to the "#2", lines up in the slot), we run bunch formations (which IMO who cares who is the "1/outside"), line up a TE or RB at the "1", etc.  So in reality, we don't need to fully replace Diggs or Davis outside snaps with a similar/same player, many options exist to mitigate a short-injury duration (ie 2-3 weeks).

 

Kumerow may not be ideal, but serviceable, if called upon.  Speedy is a huge unknown, he was liked enough to keep on the 53 and coming off a foot injury that possibly kept him from being at full health last year.  He's likely a "slot guy" too.  He struggles when pressed, hopefully something he improved with a year of NFL tutelage.  He can be a playmaker for us, another McKenzie type.

 

Long way of me saying, I think we run enough "empty" sets that favor versatile playmakers.  We can split out Cook, Motor, Knox, OJ (doesn't have to always be Diggs or Gabe), and feature our slot guys as well (we have an abundance of them).  Key thing is getting more RAC/YAC this year.

[muppy]

6 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

Haack is gone for sure.

 

Epenesa stays (95%), Ford stays (90%).

 

Moss is a tough one. We are not keeping all four RB. I can imagine a world when we decide to keep Duke Johnson. 

 

Gilliam, Matakevich and Taiwan Jones might be gone.

PLUS 1.  Concur in all respects.

[Estro]

Tyler Matakevich

[JohnNord]

4 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said:

The kid we drafted is a Milano clone.  And will most likely replace him eventually.  Milano will be 28

That’s a possibility…there’s a potential out in his contract after 2023

[SoMAn]

7 hours ago, jkeerie said:

Beane says that Ford has been working hard in the off season and knows this is his final contract year.  So, we'll see.

And going into last season he exclaimed that he had a whole new attitude and his head was now on straight (or something to that affect).  He was almost worse than the year before. 
Bust.

[BillsfaninSB]

13 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

And going into last season he exclaimed that he had a whole new attitude and his head was now on straight (or something to that affect).  He was almost worse than the year before. 
Bust.

He did have the knee injury to rehab going into the previous off season.

 

At least this summer it appears he is fresh and injury free.  Hopefully that helps. 

[Comebackkid]

16 hours ago, chris heff said:

Moss is better 

I'm not sold on that but we'll see.  

[RyanC883]

23 hours ago, Gugny said:

Ford.

 

I'd agree, but we have no depth there.  Not that Ford is great depth, but is cheap and I'm not sure what else is out there.  

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Ford

Lawson

Haack

Gilliam

Kumerow

Boettger (cop out as he will be on PUP list)

 

Even though they did not draft a guard, Ford has been really awful. It would be great if he was serviceable, but he looks like a complete bust.

 

As I posted elsewhere, I think they bring back Hughes and Lawson is the odd man out on the DL. Epenesa gets one more year to suck and then is let go.

 

Gilliam should not have been on the roster last year. With two credible TEs and no need for a FB bye bye

 

Kumerow Bills drafted an extra CB and LB that can play teams. I think they are set at WR with Diggs, Davis, McKenzie, Crowder, and Shakir. Add Stevenson for a returmer and I think that is all the WR spots they will keep.  I would favor bringing Sanders back if they want to keep 7 or if they cut Stevenson.  Kumerow mainly lined up at outside WR in obvious passing downs. That should be Howard or Cook lining up outside on those plays. Kumerow offers little that younger cheaper guys can do instead.

16 hours ago, SoMAn said:

And going into last season he exclaimed that he had a whole new attitude and his head was now on straight (or something to that affect).  He was almost worse than the year before. 
Bust.

He was worse. Honestly he played RT better than he played either guard spot. He is a bust.

17 hours ago, Estro said:

Tyler Matakevich

Good call. They drafted two linebackers that can account for his 5 tackles a year.

[BillsBlue]

TREMAINE EDWARDS

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

15 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

TREMAINE EDWARDS

He isn't on the team now.  Who is this Tremaine Edwards that you speak of?

[Lagoon Blues]

WR cuts are sure going to be a tight race imo.

[BillsBlue]

15 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

He isn't on the team now.  Who is this Tremaine Edwards that you speak of?

2 players that never lived up to expectations, both looked decent year 1 and steadily got worse......

they remind me of eachother lol 

[Roundybout]

18 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

He isn't on the team now.  Who is this Tremaine Edwards that you speak of?

 

Trent's long-lost bastard son

[Mike in Horseheads]

48 minutes ago, BillsBlue said:

TREMAINE EDWARDS

Thats a few times you have said his name at least learn how to spell it