Rumor- Harrison Phillips not coming back

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

IMO, they now have to change their "we need to be 2 deep with vets" at every position mentality with regards to contracts and instead focus available assets on protecting Josh Allen and making him look good............and get better at developing some of the positions they've been overpaying for depth at.    

 

If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it.     They need talent on rookie contracts.

 

I completely agree. They are at the point where Brandon is going to have to be willing to sacrifice depth for star power. Having AJ Klein and Jon Feliciano and Cord Ford and even Tyler Matakevich (who is genuinely a really good STer) coming in at $16m on your cap when none of them start on offense or defense is a luxury that having paid a Quarterback you have to learn to live without. Or else you end up with lots of guys but not many guys. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by GunnerBill

[Niagara Bill]

23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I completely agree. They are at the point where Brandon is going to have to be willing to sacrifice depth for star power. Having AJ Klein and Jon Feliciano and Cord Ford and even Tyler Matakevich (who is genuinely a really good STer) coming in at $16m on your cap when none of them start on offense or defense is a luxury that having paid a Quarterback you have to learn to live without. Or else you end up with lots of guys but not many guys. 

Tyler is a starter...special teams are important. May I remind you...Music City Debacle.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, Niagara Bill said:

Tyler is a starter...special teams are important. May I remind you...Music City Debacle.

 

Hey you don't need to preach to me that STs are important, I am the captain of that ship. But $3.25m cap hit for a STer who is neither a returner or a gunner is exactly the sort of luxury depth you have when you have a QB on a rookie deal. If Matakevich was due to account for $2m on the cap this year it is a no brainer you keep him, but that is a big number for a non-gunner, non-returner on a team paying their franchise QB.

[DCofNC]

Like the guy, but him being here has zero impact on the Bills winning a SB

[gordong]

whatever....   he played okay the last 6 games it not like it a huge loss.   if it over money let someone else pay him big money. 

[Doc]

26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Hey you don't need to preach to me that STs are important, I am the captain of that ship. But $3.25m cap hit for a STer who is neither a returner or a gunner is exactly the sort of luxury depth you have when you have a QB on a rookie deal. If Matakevich was due to account for $2m on the cap this year it is a no brainer you keep him, but that is a big number for a non-gunner, non-returner on a team paying their franchise QB.

 

Who needs STs anyway?  Just have Bass and Araiza boot TBs everytime...

[Billzgobowlin]

It's a 50/50 shot that you are right.  I don't get the feeling he would turn away from a super bowl contending football team unless the Bills don't want him back which I don't see either.  I do find it interesting the Bills haven't restructured any contracts yet.  Maybe there aren't many inevitable contracts to outgoing free agents

[Rigotz]

On 3/5/2022 at 11:29 PM, wiseman3 said:

Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer

 

He's not even allowed to have other offers yet. Why would he say he's taking another one when he doesn't know the market?

[BringBackFergy]

4 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

 

He's not even allowed to have other offers yet. Why would he say he's taking another one when he doesn't know the market?

We are in the “Pre-Double Secret-Tampering” period. 

[KOKBILLS]

9 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

IMO, they now have to change their "we need to be 2 deep with vets" at every position mentality with regards to contracts and instead focus available assets on protecting Josh Allen and making him look good............and get better at developing some of the positions they've been overpaying for depth at.    

 

If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it.     They need talent on rookie contracts.

 

Yep...They won't do that of course...But I agree...

[FilthyBeast]

If true I have zero issues with this for a number of reasons.

 

He's a great guy in terms of his off the field contributions and he defied the odds this year being a bubble guy that was inactive most the first half of the season to emerging as a key piece for this defense down the stretch.

 

But at the end of the day he's not worth the money that he probably can get on the open market which is why this is likely a valid rumor and still think we need a more dominant presence at DT next to Oliver.

[RochesterLifer]

4 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

If true I have zero issues with this for a number of reasons.

 

He's a great guy in terms of his off the field contributions and he defied the odds this year being a bubble guy that was inactive most the first half of the season to emerging as a key piece for this defense down the stretch.

 

But at the end of the day he's not worth the money that he probably can get on the open market which is why this is likely a valid rumor and still think we need a more dominant presence at DT next to Oliver.

You're still planning on losing your house when McDermott doesn't get fired next year, right?

[billsfan89]

If they can bring him back on a 4-5 million dollar deal I think that works good for both side. June 1st cut Star to make the space. I would rather have H.Phillips an in his prime player who is coming off a fairly good season than Star who is a veteran who while decent is massively overpaid. Just my two cents. Also rumors are just rumors from McDouchebag2k22 not really worth much. 

[wiseman3]

On 3/6/2022 at 9:49 AM, Kwai San said:

 

21 whopping posts and you say THAT???  Methinks there is more to you than what you are letting on to.

 

Anyone else notice that after the initial LAMP and one follow up post by @wiseman3 he disappeared and now we have @BILLieve85 with 21 posts backing up this nonsense???

 

Mods???

Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other.  If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂

[Tuco]

23 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

If they can bring him back on a 4-5 million dollar deal I think that works good for both side. June 1st cut Star to make the space. I would rather have H.Phillips an in his prime player who is coming off a fairly good season than Star who is a veteran who while decent is massively overpaid. Just my two cents. Also rumors are just rumors from McDouchebag2k22 not really worth much. 

But June firsting Star doesn't give us the savings until June 1st. We would need to do something earlier.

[The Dean]

27 minutes ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other.  If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂

 

Bulls#it. This might very well happen despite you completely making up a story. 

 

I know this has turned into a discussion about Harry staying/ leaving.  But the real issue here is your completely unbelievable post, IMO

 

[TheBrownBear]

30 minutes ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other.  If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂

I believe you, dude.  Who decides to troll a message board by dishing secrets on Harry Phillips?  That's not a real "move the needle" player if you want to get a rise out of the fanbase.  Anyhow, hope it doesn't come to fruition, since he was becoming more of an impact player.

[Blainorama5]

On 3/5/2022 at 10:51 PM, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

a rumor and $2.50 will get you a cheap cup of coffee 

SMALL cup o joe

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Tuco said:

But June firsting Star doesn't give us the savings until June 1st. We would need to do something earlier.

 

I thought you could designate someone a June 1st cut earlier in the off-season?

[Tuco]

12 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I thought you could designate someone a June 1st cut earlier in the off-season?

You can. Doing so allows the team to cut the player early on to avoid paying roster bonuses, etc. but still give the team the benefit of being able to spread to prorated signing bonus (dead cap) into the next year as though the cut was made after June 1st. The catch is, that prorated roster bonus still counts against the cap until June 1st when it is then divided between this year and next.

 

So basically its-

1- cut the player early, like in March, and save on his roster bonuses, etc. and also -

2- Designate him a June 1st cut and push some of the dead cap into the next year, just as would normally be done if the player was cut after June 1st, but-

3- You still have to carry all of the dead cap until June 1st actually rolls around.

 

The June 1st designation has its place, but it's useless as a form of creating cap space at the start of the league year.

[TheFunPolice]

Phillips just isn't worth a big contract IMO.

 

Fine player and great human being (a couple people I know have met him at get togethers and say he is one of the most respectful and nicest people you could meet) but on the football field totally replaceable, as much as I hate to say it because I love the guy as a person. 

 

It's probably one of those situations where the Bills would love him back at a certain number but the agent thinks he can get much more on the open market, and hey, it only takes one team. 

Edited March 7, 2022 by TheFunPolice

[Max Fischer]

Not much of a friend if he's sharing personal texts with a random stranger.

 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, Billzgobowlin said:

It's a 50/50 shot that you are right.  I don't get the feeling he would turn away from a super bowl contending football team unless the Bills don't want him back which I don't see either.  I do find it interesting the Bills haven't restructured any contracts yet.  Maybe there aren't many inevitable contracts to outgoing free agents

 

They need to do something.  I'd be surprised if they don't at least want Bates and Zimmer, who are RFA.

 

They're at -$3.9M in cap space currently.  They can't even open the league year and do nothing without some moves.

 

My thinking is that as usual with Beane, he is gliding serenely across the surface of the combine water while underneath the surface, his little feet are paddling like hell to get somewhere

[That's No Moon]

Phillips can walk. Bye.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol, I can assure you I am not trolling or just doing this to get a reaction. You'll all owe me some wings when this happens! I don't know why people don't think this is believable...Alcohol is a hell of a drug when it comes to spilling secrets. And you'd have to be crazy to think that just because its not in the tampering window yet, that people aren't unofficially contacting each other.  If I'm wrong, make fun of me all you want. I can handle it! 😂

 

We owe you nothing even if this happens because "even a busted clock is right twice a day". 

 

We've explained why we don't think the absolute certainty of your op title "not coming back"  believable.  We all know that Phillips may go elsewhere. We all know that agents and FO guys talk.  It's entirely possible Harry's agents have a number from the Bills and have had informal spitball chats over drinks with FO from various teams that are enough higher that he's pretty sure the Bills won't match, but plausible deniability is important to these talks, and so there's a lot of details that might not prove out when he actually sees the final written contract.

 

We also get a lot of guys who come in asserting some kind of inside knowledge that doesn't prove out.  "Met Phillips best friend when he was drunk in a bar and he showed me texts proving this" is a relatively weak-sauce story.

 

 

[Paul Costa]

We will find out soon enough. I hope we get Harry back but if not we will have a great plan to replace him. It sounds like the Bills have built a great family like culture in OP. Harry seems like he likes it in Buffalo 🦬. Good luck to him if he decides to go elsewhere. 

[Bill from NYC]

18 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it.     They need talent on rookie contracts.

Agreed but I would much prefer a 1st round pick in 2023 to be part of the deal.

 

Jmo.

[Steptide]

IF this is true, I really wonder what the coaches thoughts are on Tremaine Edmunds. I mean Edmunds has been better than Phillips, but not by much and definitely not for a 1st round pick. 

[wiseman3]

17 hours ago, The Dean said:

 

Bulls#it. This might very well happen despite you completely making up a story. 

 

I know this has turned into a discussion about Harry staying/ leaving.  But the real issue here is your completely unbelievable post

Its just a joke my man. Noone owes me anything. I've already said multiple times that I don't expect anyone to believe me! The texts and multiple pictures with Harrison, telling us he was great friends with him, storys etc etc made me believe him 100%. Felt that I needed to share the story with everyone...nothing deeper than that. I will gladly eat crow if he's back. Go bills

[No_Matter_What]

20 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They need to do something.  I'd be surprised if they don't at least want Bates and Zimmer, who are RFA.

 

They're at -$3.9M in cap space currently.  They can't even open the league year and do nothing without some moves.

 

My thinking is that as usual with Beane, he is gliding serenely across the surface of the combine water while underneath the surface, his little feet are paddling like hell to get somewhere

If Bills want to do that basic RFA stuff with Bates, when is the deadline for it?

Edited March 8, 2022 by No_Matter_What

[Artful Dodger]

Harrison is the sort of player the Bills like.  A good team guy, very bright, and a hard worker.  He's also an improving player who looks as if he's figured it out.   If they can afford him, they will keep him.

[junior]

 

[BarleyNY]

7 minutes ago, junior said:

 

That’s what I would do if I were them.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

18 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

They need to do something.  I'd be surprised if they don't at least want Bates and Zimmer, who are RFA.

 

They're at -$3.9M in cap space currently.  They can't even open the league year and do nothing without some moves.

 

My thinking is that as usual with Beane, he is gliding serenely across the surface of the combine water while underneath the surface, his little feet are paddling like hell to get somewhere

 

Agree on Bates, Zimmer being injured, likely can get him back for less than the tender guarantee, believe it's $2.5 mil?  Sign him to vet min contract??

[JaCrispy]

1 hour ago, junior said:

 

Good!

 

We want upgrades anyway...😉

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

If want to do they that basic RFA stuff with Bates, when is the deadline for it?

 

That's a really good question.  I assumed it was the first day of the new league year, but I don't really know and a quick google search turned up what the tag values are, but not what the deadline is.

 

Anyone?  @YoloinOhio?

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

4 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Its just a joke my man. Noone owes me anything. I've already said multiple times that I don't expect anyone to believe me! The texts and multiple pictures with Harrison, telling us he was great friends with him, storys etc etc made me believe him 100%. Felt that I needed to share the story with everyone...nothing deeper than that. I will gladly eat crow if he's back. Go bills

I actually believe you.

 

I meet people all the time who claim to know NFL players.  Then they show me pictures, selfies, etc.  I don't think its any big deal.

 

In fact, isn't there a poster here who received a love letter from Dawson Knox ?

[buffaloboyinATL]

4 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Its just a joke my man. Noone owes me anything. I've already said multiple times that I don't expect anyone to believe me! The texts and multiple pictures with Harrison, telling us he was great friends with him, storys etc etc made me believe him 100%. Felt that I needed to share the story with everyone...nothing deeper than that. I will gladly eat crow if he's back. Go bills

I have done this before on credible information that I have received from someone in the know as well. (Years ago I knew one of our coaches). I appreciate you sharing what you heard despite the slings and arrows it brings with it. 
 

As far as Horrible Harry, I would love for him to remain with the Bills, but only if they do not have to overpay for his services. Hopefully the market is not there, but most likely it is. 

[The Dean]

8 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I actually believe you.

 

I meet people all the time who claim to know NFL players.  Then they show me pictures, selfies, etc.  I don't think its any big deal.

 

In fact, isn't there a poster here who received a love letter from Dawson Knox ?

 

 

Do these people you meet claim to be the player's BEST FRIEND?  Did they then tell you about his private, personal business?  Did the person claiming to receive Knox's letter claim to be his wife?

[MrEpsYtown]

13 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

I actually believe you.

 

I meet people all the time who claim to know NFL players.  Then they show me pictures, selfies, etc.  I don't think its any big deal.

 

In fact, isn't there a poster here who received a love letter from Dawson Knox ?

I played with this dude:

 

 

Great guy. So I know like 3 people who played in the NFL, so I never say never. 

Edited March 8, 2022 by MrEpsYtown