Rumor- Harrison Phillips not coming back

[pennstate10]

1 hour ago, SlimShady'sSpaceForce said:

If the Bills release Lotulelei, they can save about $4.25 million, and if they can trade him, Buffalo can recoup $6.8 million, per Buffalo Fanatics.
 

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/star-lotulelei-contract-cut-return/amp/

Per Joe Buscaglia those numbers are incorrect. Bills would only save 1.5 million by cutting Star. 

[Dopey]

6 hours ago, Beast said:

So, Harrison Phillips best friend (whoever the hell that may be and why he’s even in Buffalo) is thinking, “hmmmm, I need to vent to someone that Harry isn’t going to be a Bill next year. Let me go to this random guy and tell him I’m Harry’s best friend and show him Harry’s text messages,”

Either that or this guy is very persuasive. If he can get Phillips' BEST friend to divulge this kind of info, he can sell Colorado, ocean front property to anyone.

[Mr. WEO]

Kudos to OP.  He got at least 7 pages out of this.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

58 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Per Joe Buscaglia those numbers are incorrect. Bills would only save 1.5 million by cutting Star. 

 

It's over $4M if he is designated a June 1 cut.

 

Thing people don't understand is that he will still have dead money next year if they keep him around and wait to cut next year..........so it's not like the problem just goes away entirely NEXT year if you just pay him "$1.5M" and keep him.     That's not how it works.

[buffaloboyinATL]

15 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer

Giants?

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

It's over $4M if he is designated a June 1 cut.

 

Thing people don't understand is that he will still have dead money next year if they keep him around and wait to cut next year..........so it's not like the problem just goes away entirely NEXT year if you just pay him "$1.5M" and keep him.     That's not how it works.

 

True.  But in 2023, the Bills (currently) have $52M in cap room, and would have an additional $6.35M from cutting him.

[BADOLBILZ]

21 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  But in 2023, the Bills (currently) have $52M in cap room, and would have an additional $6.35M from cutting him.

 

The Bills will already be borrowing heavily against future caps so they are basically working off a multi-year model in determining their CURRENT spending..........and in your scenario there is zero net savings over the 2022-2023 combined caps if you keep him this season.

 

If they keep him........there is an extra approx $4M cap hit though.

 

He has a $250K roster bonus payment due in a couple weeks........then $225K in workout bonuses for the offseason..........and then $3.5M in unguaranteed salary that fully guarantees if he makes the roster for week 1.

 

That's $3.75M-$4M that you have to pay him THIS year(in addition to the $2.5M that he got for re-structuring his deal in 2020)..........that $4M is not only a "cap figure" that will further reduce the cap space of those two years(as opposed to cutting him now)............ but it's also real dollars that they can save and use to re-structure other deals.

Edited March 6, 2022 by BADOLBILZ

[LeGOATski]

16 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

He's played 7 good games his entire career. He won't have much demand for his services. They will be drafting a DT early.

Star and a rookie will split time at NT. Hope they move on from Zimmer too. He was limited athletically even before he got hurt. 

Justin Zimmer was limited athletically?

 

Craziest thing I've seen since Putin invaded Ukraine. 

[The Dean]

16 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year

 

Only read the 1st page,  so I can only assume this has already been said. But on the off chance it hasn't...

 

This sounds like COMPLETE BS. His "best friend " let some stranger read text messages about the details surrounding his FA plans.  Right. Sure. Best friends do that stuff all the time. That's what makes them the best,,,

 

Either you are simply a liar (my #1 guess here), or are stupid enough to actually believe some other, fairly obvious liar--then not have the sense to check your information before spreading it ( a strong #2 guess IMO).

 

In the very unlikely event your story is trueish, I have to assume the idiot you met is no longer Harry's "best friend".

 

 

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

17 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Met Harrison's best friend out in Buffalo tonight...showed texts to prove that he will not be coming back in free agency. I don't expect anyone to really believe this, but you'll just have to believe me haha. He will not be a Bill next year

i feel bad for this poor buddy of his that you accosted. 
 

“Show me the text evidence— now!”

[NewEra]

20 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Justin Zimmer was limited athletically?

 

Craziest thing I've seen since Putin invaded Ukraine. 

Word.  That’s the one thing never said about Justin Zimmer

[Buffalo Barbarian]

He's coming back

 

 

[Doc]

More like limited talently. 

[Alphadawg7]

17 hours ago, wiseman3 said:

Lol yeah like I said I don't expect anyone to believe me. But sounds like he'll be accepting another offer

 

I will take your word for it since it doesn't seem far fetched to me really.  And I dont really see the point to pile on you over it either like others are.  And mainly because I met Levi Wallace's 4 college best friends at the home opener as we sat next to them and we hit it off and still keep in touch on instagram.  And they have said multiple times to me that Levi loves Buffalo and that he absolutely wants to stay in Buffalo.  

 

Of course, that doesn't mean he will, just means that is what he prefers, I am sure it still depends on what McD and Beane want, would offer, and what other teams offer...but heading into the offseason they said he wants to stay.  And I have no reason to doubt them.  

 

So your story doesn't seem far fetched to me as its not unusual for friends of players to boast they are friends of players.  Happens all the time, not sure why so many think this is such a crazy concept.  

 

16 hours ago, Paul Costa said:

My first question is why is Harrison’s best friend out by himself in Buffalo 🦬?  Harrison is from Nebraska and went to Stanford. So is his best friend out in a Buffalo telling people Harrison isn’t coming back? Or is Harrison’s best friend somewhere else in the World 🌎 telling people Harrison’s intentions? This is totally made up. Pretty weird to say the least. 😂😂😂

 

Not saying this is true or not...but I am sure he has a Buffalo best friend, he has been there a while.  This assumption he can only have a best friend elsewhere is a silly assumption.  

Edited March 6, 2022 by Alphadawg7

[Shaw66]

17 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’ll wait and see how it plays out. 

This is true for every rumor this time of year.   From my point of view, it's a pretty boring time of year.  I'll get interested about a guy when he actually signs with the Bills or actually leaves the Bills by getting cut, getting traded, or signing with another team.  The only exception is if the Bills are in the hunt for a serious talent, like being one of three teams with a shot at Mario Williams, stuff like that. 

[pennstate10]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills will already be borrowing heavily against future caps so they are basically working off a multi-year model in determining their CURRENT spending..........and in your scenario there is zero net savings over the 2022-2023 combined caps if you keep him this season.

 

If they keep him........there is an extra approx $4M cap hit though.

 

He has a $250K roster bonus payment due in a couple weeks........then $225K in workout bonuses for the offseason..........and then $3.5M in unguaranteed salary that fully guarantees if he makes the roster for week 1.

 

That's $3.75M-$4M that you have to pay him THIS year(in addition to the $2.5M that he got for re-structuring his deal in 2020)..........that $4M is not only a "cap figure" that will further reduce the cap space of those two years(as opposed to cutting him now)............ but it's also real dollars that they can save and use to re-structure other deals.

 

In his podcast, Buscaglia said the numbers from one site were incorrect, and that the Bills had shuffled $2.5 million during a restructuring.

 

And that Bills will only save $1.5 million off Stars cap # (around 8.3 million i think) by cutting him now or after June 1.

[John from Riverside]

I like the player....but he is replaceable

[ndirish1978]

Good news guys, I just spoke to Harry's 2nd best friend and he told me that Philips is staying. He didn't show me any text messages, but we did facetime with Harry's 3rd best friend and he confirmed it. 

[Buffalosouth]

I met his bestfriends best friend and he told me he was signing in the usfl.

[MrEpsYtown]

This is silly. But i don’t think Phillips will be back. If you pay him you cut into the Oliver fund. They get the same, if bot better production out of Zimmer for a fraction of the price. I like Phillips, but it really depends on the numbers. 
 

Conversations and rumblings happen at the combine and he may already know his price. 

[Big Turk]

3 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills will already be borrowing heavily against future caps so they are basically working off a multi-year model in determining their CURRENT spending..........and in your scenario there is zero net savings over the 2022-2023 combined caps if you keep him this season.

 

If they keep him........there is an extra approx $4M cap hit though.

 

He has a $250K roster bonus payment due in a couple weeks........then $225K in workout bonuses for the offseason..........and then $3.5M in unguaranteed salary that fully guarantees if he makes the roster for week 1.

 

That's $3.75M-$4M that you have to pay him THIS year(in addition to the $2.5M that he got for re-structuring his deal in 2020)..........that $4M is not only a "cap figure" that will further reduce the cap space of those two years(as opposed to cutting him now)............ but it's also real dollars that they can save and use to re-structure other deals.

 

Future caps are skyrocketing over the next 5 years and they already have the most expensive piece priced in at what will be a relative bargain in 2 years

Edited March 6, 2022 by Big Turk

[loveorhatembillsfan4life]

Sounds a lot like 

 

 

[wppete]

Don’t believe that for a second 

[RyanC883]

19 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

It's crazy to think he was a healthy scratch early in the year and now it would be a loss if we didn't re-sign him.  I'm pretty confident they'll get a deal done.

 

just shows how terrible Bean has been at constructing an effective front 7. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, pennstate10 said:

 

In his podcast, Buscaglia said the numbers from one site were incorrect, and that the Bills had shuffled $2.5 million during a restructuring.

 

And that Bills will only save $1.5 million off Stars cap # (around 8.3 million i think) by cutting him now or after June 1.

 

 

They did guarantee $2.5M of his 2022 salary..........you responded to a post where I noted that figure in the last paragraph.

 

I think you confused what Buscaglia said.  

 

Both spotrac and OTC have the figures matched up now and the owner of spotrac, Mike Ginnitti is a WNY'er who is on top of all the Bills contracts...........if Buscaglia knows,  Ginnitti knows.

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

57 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Future caps are skyrocketing over the next 5 years and they already have the most expensive piece priced in at what will be a relative bargain in 2 years

 

 

The caps will of course go up..........but the Bills cap situation is worse than it should be at this stage in their development...........even with normal risk factored in they should be about $30M below the cap without having to do heavy re-structure work.

 

They are up against it because Beane inexplicably paid starting money for depth players in UFA over the years like Josh Norman or Ty Nsekhe.............and hung on too long to expensive players that he initially overpaid in UFA like Lotulelei, Trent Murphy and Vernon Butler.     He was throwing around $5M deals at every AJ McCarron and Quinton Spain within reach and then dumping those guys just months later.   

 

That stuff ADDS UP.

 

$4M may not seem like much to pay a player but if that player is washed and unreliable...........and it's reasonable to expect that's the case with Lotulelei...........that kind of nickel and diming is what got them up against the cap in the first place.

[par73]

Strongly doubt the veracity of this, but even if true-- who cares? The entire D-Line is mediocre at best. Add a FA and get one of the Georgia lineman (although I don't know if any will be available to Buffalo after what they did at the Combine).

[97bills]

I mean dose it really matter, the Dline in hole played bad this year. If he came back cheap for depth great if not ✌

Edited March 7, 2022 by 97bills

[Simon Says]

9 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Def. cleans up good! 

 

What always amazes me in these pictures is how Josh Allen (6'5") manages to look the same size or shorter than guys like Harrison (6'3")

 

 

 

 

OMG,because he is further from the camera 

[wppete]

3 hours ago, loveorhatembillsfan4life said:

Sounds a lot like 

 

 

[KOKBILLS]

IMHO DT is the Bills biggest need whether Phillips returns or not...I felt DT was a huge need last off season...But the 2021 Draft was one of the weakest DT Drafts I've seen in a bit...Plus I think Star's deal...and knowing he was coming back...hedged the Bills a bit. It shouldn't this year. The Bills need more disrupters inside...

[BobbyC81]

13 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Well there is a now 2 day legal tampering period where you can do those things. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen but id assume it’s not happening with the likes of a borderline role player that most people outside of Bills fans have never heard of. The only way that he can know he’s not coming back Is if the Bills told him they don’t want him. No way another team has this guy pegged enough to have him locked up 9 days before the legal tampering period. He’s just not that good.

Then you have Aaron Rodgers.  He says he has deals with 3 different teams.   How can he do that?  Different rules for the stars as always.

[Putin]

I like Harry but I sure as hell hope that we don’t overpay to keep him , do  we get a compensatory pick if we do lose him in the free agency? 

[KOKBILLS]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The Bills will already be borrowing heavily against future caps so they are basically working off a multi-year model in determining their CURRENT spending..........and in your scenario there is zero net savings over the 2022-2023 combined caps if you keep him this season.

 

If they keep him........there is an extra approx $4M cap hit though.

 

He has a $250K roster bonus payment due in a couple weeks........then $225K in workout bonuses for the offseason..........and then $3.5M in unguaranteed salary that fully guarantees if he makes the roster for week 1.

 

That's $3.75M-$4M that you have to pay him THIS year(in addition to the $2.5M that he got for re-structuring his deal in 2020)..........that $4M is not only a "cap figure" that will further reduce the cap space of those two years(as opposed to cutting him now)............ but it's also real dollars that they can save and use to re-structure other deals.

 

100% agree...

 

I can't imagine a scenario where the Bills would keep Star, even if they only save a buck this year. I mean...Why? I don't see the logic. Get younger, cheaper (for at least 4 years), and more dynamic in there. 

[BADOLBILZ]

20 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

 

100% agree...

 

I can't imagine a scenario where the Bills would keep Star, even if they only save a buck this year. I mean...Why? I don't see the logic. Get younger, cheaper (for at least 4 years), and more dynamic in there. 

 

 

IMO, they now have to change their "we need to be 2 deep with vets" at every position mentality with regards to contracts and instead focus available assets on protecting Josh Allen and making him look good............and get better at developing some of the positions they've been overpaying for depth at.    

 

If Denver were to come to Beane tomorrow and offer their two second rounders(40 and 64) and a 4th in exchange for #25 overall............so they had an extra 1st to deal to GB...........then I would say they should probably take it.     They need talent on rookie contracts.

[Maybe Someday]

Kind of surprised at how many are saying Harry was a healthy scratch in the beginning of the season. He tore his PCL in the preseason against the Bears.

As for the OP…I call BS. 
 

 

[Xwnyer]

My brothers wife sister in laws friend is a friend of someone who saw a text from so on who is a friend of the sister of someone and the text implied that harry may or may not be coming back 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

6 hours ago, Putin said:

, do  we get a compensatory pick if we do lose him in the free agency? 

No, but

does...🙁

[YoloinOhio]

7 hours ago, Putin said:

I like Harry but I sure as hell hope that we don’t overpay to keep him , do  we get a compensatory pick if we do lose him in the free agency? 

It would factor into the formula, yes. 

[GreggTX]

Now that he has fully recovered from his ACL injury, it would be foolish not to make a reasonable offer. He is on the rise and Star is the most overpaid guy on this roster by a mile. I don't want Star here.He's clearly not motivated and it shows. Sign Ioannis if possible. Edge, CB and OL are much bigger needs for us. I don't want to see a WR or DT in round 1 unless we have sizable upgrades at those positions already signed.