BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/03/04/report-multiple-teams-have-called-raiders-about-derek-carr/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Why would Raiders trade him? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) Dak Prescott/Lamar Jackson dilemma with Derek Carr. Not good enough to make you a year in/year out contender. Not much postseason success. Will require substantial investment. However… arguably a Top 10-12 QB and do you really want to start over when you know your QB is in the upper third conversation? Edited March 5, 2022 by SCBills 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? Yeah, if they let him go, they would have to start all over. Do they really want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 3 minutes ago, SCBills said: Dak Prescott/Lamar Jackson dilemma with Derek Carr. Not good enough to make you a year in/year out contender. Not much postseason success. Will require substantial investment. However… arguably a Top 10-12 QB and do you really want to start over when you know your QB is in the upper third conversation? McDaniel took over Denver and stunned the league by indulging Jay Cutler's request for a trade (and also drafted Tebow in round 1 ). 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Maybe Raiders can get a King's ransom and bring back Mariota to be their QB. Mariota has more mobility than Carr. Maybe McDaniels think he can work with that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted March 5, 2022 Author Share Posted March 5, 2022 21 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? Because to extend him they would have to pay him 40 million or more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? Mark Davis is the answer. For no other reason than he looks like someone that has no clue about anything. Edited March 5, 2022 by The Wiz 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? It's a fair question and my answer would be this: Derek Carr is probably somewhere between the 10th-15th best QB in the NFL and if some desperate team comes calling you at least listen. If you can get a bounty for the 12th best QB in the league who's about to need a new expensive contract.....why not do it? 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, Estro said: It's a fair question and my answer would be this: Derek Carr is probably somewhere between the 10th-15th best QB in the NFL and if some desperate team comes calling you at least listen. If you can get a bounty for the 12th best QB in the league who's about to need a new expensive contract.....why not do it? Came here to post this. I don’t view Carr as the type of QB that can get you over the super bowl hump unless you surround him with a phenomenal team. He’s likely to stick them into NFL purgatory, right in the middle of the pack. That’s not something you pay 40 million per year for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, SCBills said: Dak Prescott/Lamar Jackson dilemma with Derek Carr. Not good enough to make you a year in/year out contender. Not much postseason success. Will require substantial investment. However… arguably a Top 10-12 QB and do you really want to start over when you know your QB is in the upper third conversation? I think thats just the reality of the NFL right now. The reality is there are maybe 5-7 teams who are legit Super Bowl Contenders year in and year out, and it has everything to do with the QB. But like you said, what are the other teams really supposed to do at QB? The real top tier guys are rare, so you cant expect to bottom out and just go get one in the draft, because like I just said, they dont come along that often. The league has parity week to week. But when it comes to Championships I'd argue they really dont. So what to do if you're one of 25-27 teams that dont have an elite QB? I'd say you keep someone like Carr and try to maximize putting fans in the seats, and make money off of delusional hope. Trading the guy, unless its for a better QB really doesnt do much for your organization. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beerme1 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Came here to post this. I don’t view Carr as the type of QB that can get you over the super bowl hump unless you surround him with a phenomenal team. He’s likely to stick them into NFL purgatory, right in the middle of the pack. That’s not something you pay 40 million per year for. Ah, the 8-8 Bills every year! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Derek Carr for Mac Jones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I don’t know why the Raiders would trade him, I also don’t know why anyone would want to trade for him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) Sometimes, shaking things up after several seasons of mediocrity is what needs to happen, most teams are not that brave and continue to pretend to be contenders. In this case they have had bad ownership, with a bad haircut, compounded by a bad GM, and HC, they now have a new HC & GM that may help, but the ownership problem remains, frankly they’re doomed, jmo. Edited March 5, 2022 by Don Otreply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Derek Carr has put up great numbers for most of his career. High completion percentage. Perennial 4K yard passer. He gets sacked more than most because the Raiders won't invest in a line to protect him. I hope he goes somewhere and kicks ass. Always liked this kid. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 5 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? because TMZ..err I mean PFT needs clicks in the offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I always tell my friends that are raider fans that carr is worse for their franchise than a terrible qb. How many years are the raiders gonna keep saying "if we just build around him and don't ask the world of him" He seems like a great guy and a great teammate but he has shown he does not have an IT factor and will always be a quality starter that doesn't have the extra edge to win a championship. I hope the best for him, leaving the raiders could be better for both parties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Just because teams are calling the Raiders doesn't mean Raiders are looking to trade him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 9 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? Because he just isn’t good enough. You aren’t going anywhere with Carr as your QB. I would have gotten rid of him a long time ago. He’s ok. He’s certainly not bad. But he’s not getting you where you want to go. I would have started Mariotta over him. At least that guy gives you something with his legs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Who’s going to actually give up real assets (a first rounder, plus) for him? What franchise thinks they’re “a Derek Carr away from the Super Bowl”? I can’t think of one… seems like something the Raiders leaked to generate interest… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Carr stays right where he is! He's in the perfect place to ease into a career in an Alice Cooper tribute band, somewhere off the Las Vegas Strip. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 9 hours ago, SCBills said: Dak Prescott/Lamar Jackson dilemma with Derek Carr. Not good enough to make you a year in/year out contender. Not much postseason success. Will require substantial investment. However… arguably a Top 10-12 QB and do you really want to start over when you know your QB is in the upper third conversation? True, but Prescott at least has help. Carr is all alone, Renfrow is his #1. The Raiders will get alot worse if Carr leaves the building, he isn't the problem. Jackson's situation is another can of worms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 10 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said: Why would Raiders trade him? He reached his ceiling. ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Maybe they should consider giving him something better than Renfrow/Jones? IIRC, the raiders drafts are generally always head scratchers. Start there. Carr, while not elite, isn’t the problem there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Carr and two firsts for Russell Wilson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, mannc said: Who’s going to actually give up real assets (a first rounder, plus) for him? What franchise thinks they’re “a Derek Carr away from the Super Bowl”? I can’t think of one… seems like something the Raiders leaked to generate interest… Bucs and Steelers might be interested...they have solid teams with no QB... Edited March 5, 2022 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybob71 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I hear Davis wants Fantastic Sams coupons included in any trade package 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrainwashedBillsFan Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 They just need receivers, that would be a classic raiders move for them to get rid of Carr. Give them a legit number 1 with the TE they have, watch out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 31 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Carr and two firsts for Russell Wilson? I’m thinking along these lines. New HC in town who already might have something in the works for a different QB. Now they are trying to pump up his value. I feel about Carr a lot like I felt about Stafford. What would he look like in the right situation? In Tennessee, for example. Lots of fans dramatically underestimate how much working with Daboll impacted Allen’s development. He had a stable, consistent environment and a scheme that was tailored to his strengths and minimized his weaknesses. There are a number of QBs we can look at as failures or under-performers that did not have that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I keep reading that the Raiders can't win a Super Bowl with Carr, but is Stafford really better than Carr? There were a lot of questions about him before he went to the Rams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDubya76 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: Maybe they should consider giving him something better than Renfrow/Jones? IIRC, the raiders drafts are generally always head scratchers. Start there. Carr, while not elite, isn’t the problem there. They did and that idiot got hammered and hit a minivan at 150mph 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 12 hours ago, Mark Vader said: Yeah, if they let him go, they would have to start all over. Do they really want that? In a division with top end QBs of Mahomes and Herbert, do they really want to commit to a mid tier QB is their dilemma. Personally I think Carr is good enough to keep, but only up to a certain price. He can’t carry a lesser team, so you need more cap flexibility to improve rest of roster more if you’re gonna commit to him and want to compete to win division. I suspect he’s gonna get over paid though either by them or other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 Multiple NFL teams: "hello, may I speak to Derek Carr?" Raiders: "Derek's not here right n..." Multiple NFL teams: (laugh loudly and hang up) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 I like Carr but I think both sides could benefit from a restart. Raiders simply aren't going to be able to compete with the likes of KC and the Chargers consistently with the guys they have at QB. Carr is also not without blame. He fumbles way too much. He's lead the league in fumbles 2 of the last 4 seasons and has had 11+ fumbles in 3 of the last 4 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 1 hour ago, JaCrispy said: Bucs and Steelers might be interested...they have solid teams with no QB... I agree re the Bucs…But that doesn’t seem like something the Steelers would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 45 minutes ago, vincec said: I keep reading that the Raiders can't win a Super Bowl with Carr, but is Stafford really better than Carr? There were a lot of questions about him before he went to the Rams. Did Stafford win the Rams a Super Bowl...or was it the All-Star cast they surrounded him with that got Stafford over the hump? Playing the Bengals with that team around them I would suggest any of about 16-18 QBs would have won that game....INCLUDING Goff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 13 hours ago, SCBills said: Dak Prescott/Lamar Jackson dilemma with Derek Carr. Not good enough to make you a year in/year out contender. Not much postseason success. Will require substantial investment. However… arguably a Top 10-12 QB and do you really want to start over when you know your QB is in the upper third conversation? I mean I get why they keep him but realistically you are trading being slightly above average to good for the potential of being great The GM and Coach are relatively safe with him in terms of job security(as long as they don't have emails come out about them), but do they have a chance of winning a Super Bowl? Only if they can put an unbelievable team around him...it's possible, but very hard to do. Like 2-5% chance of it happening versus 15-20% chance if you have a stud QB. Basically they have made their jobs a lot harder to do anything other than get a result somewhere between barely miss the playoffs to win a wildcard game and get bounced in the divisional round. Personally I think I'd rather get what I could for him and start over when there is a good QB draft and you can move up high enough to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I mean I get why they keep him but realistically you are trading being slightly above average to good for the potential of being great The GM and Coach are relatively safe with him in terms of job security(as long as they don't have emails come out about them), but do they have a chance of winning a Super Bowl? Only if they can put an unbelievable team around him...it's possible, but very hard to do. Like 2-5% chance of it happening versus 15-20% chance if you have a stud QB. Basically they have made their jobs a lot harder to do anything other than get a result somewhere between barely miss the playoffs to win a wildcard game and get bounced in the divisional round. Personally I think I'd rather get what I could for him and start over when there is a good QB draft and you can move up high enough to get one. I see both sides of it for sure. Easy for us to (now) say they should trade him… Many of us would have killed for a Derek Carr type QB during the drought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 5, 2022 Share Posted March 5, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SCBills said: I see both sides of it for sure. Easy for us to (now) say they should trade him… Many of us would have killed for a Derek Carr type QB during the drought. Yeah but after 10 years of Andy Dalton in Cincinnati how many people were sad to see him go? Carr and Dalton are pretty comparable in that way. Edited March 5, 2022 by Big Turk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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