Week 16: Bills at Pats - DISCUSSION

[Pete]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

I’ll visit this week

are there any Bills fans between Providence and Foxboro?  Im going to go down today.  The more the merrier.  Let me know asap.  I am going to leave in hour or two

 

[Rockinon]

11 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I think it's a low scoring game. The Pats should be able to dictate the pace of the game by being better in the trenches. Pats will mix it up with lots of short passes and various runs. I see them getting lots of fields goals. 

 

The Bills have to run the ball effectively. Last game, Motor ran the ball 22 times and it gave Allen more time to throw. The Bills Oline is not 100% and even at 100% they don't match up well with the Pats defense. The Colts pounded the Pats. The Bills don't have that of team. The Bills are a passing team and they need the best version of Allen to win. He can't come out of the gate playing like dog poop. Not sure what's going on with him? It's been a pretty consistent theme this year. It the Pats jump on the Bills it's game over. They will just tee off on a defenseless Allen. 

 

Lastly, I really like Coach McD. However, I just don't see McD out coaching BB. Although, BB made a huge error in kicking a field goal in the Indy game. I will be really watching in game adjustments. 

 

Gonna be a homer here. Bills defense bends but doesn't break. The offense gets a timely td. Bass hits the winning field to win it. 

 

Bills 19 Pats 16. Let's go Bflo!!!!!

Just read an article about Buffalo's run game. They have been very effective on 1st down, the last couple of weeks. Averaging over 5yds last week and over 10 the week before. Good sign. Buffalo doesn't need a juggernaut run game, just for it to be effective and a threat. This opens up passing plays too. In the last game nobody wanted to pass because of the very windy weather. That is Buffalo's strength on offense and wind won't be a factor. They are learning to set up pass plays better with the way defenses are playing them now. Really don't see NE holding Buffalo to under 20pts. Probably not even 30. On the flip side, I do see Buffalo holding NE to less than 20. NE has a good D, but they can't stop what is coming.

 

My prediction:

36 - 13 Buffalo

The Bills are pissed and it shows in this one.

[billybob71]

dont let NE dictate the pace and make this a low scoring grudge match, come out firing be aggressive and convert in the redzone. This will force Mac Jones to try and keep up and pass more, of course ol Belicheat is gonna do whatever he can to prevent this style of game.

[Greg S]

2 minutes ago, billybob71 said:

dont let NE dictate the pace and make this a low scoring grudge match, come out firing be aggressive and convert in the redzone. This will force Mac Jones to try and keep up and pass more, of course ol Belicheat is gonna do whatever he can to prevent this style of game.

 

Getting off to a good start is always important but I think its even more important in this game. If noodle arm has to match points with Allen then the Bills will win every time. Assuming of course the Bills don't lose the turnover battle which can be a great equalizer. 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

1 hour ago, HOUSE said:

 

This is why I pay big bucks for my ESPN subscription, its the keen inside information

To be fair, they create content for sports fans as a whole, outside of their beat reporters. I don’t think this content is targeted at fans with a detailed interest in a specific team/matchup. 

[Beerball]

57 minutes ago, Pete said:

are there any Bills fans between Providence and Foxboro?  Im going to go down today.  The more the merrier.  Let me know asap.  I am going to leave in hour or two

 

Have fun Pete! Be loud, be proud.

[Blainorama5]

9 minutes ago, Beerball said:

Have fun Pete! Be loud, be proud.

And make good choices.  😉

[TheBeaneBandit]

Any updates on Dawkins? I like our chances with him back in the lineup.

[Patrick Duffy]

7 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Any updates on Dawkins? I like our chances with him back in the lineup.

Yeah need all we can get. Rather not try the Brown at LT again if possible.

[PaattMaann]

8 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Any updates on Dawkins? I like our chances with him back in the lineup.

 

McD wont talk about him, hes on the covid list. Since hes vaxxed and still on the list, im assuming he has symptoms. Dont know what it means. 

[finn]

I notice the Bills protected Isiah Hodgkins. I think of him as a replacement for Davis, since they're built the same and seem to have similar strengths and weaknesses. But it's Beasley they need to replace. Any news on Sanders? If he's a no-go, I suppose McKenzie is the next man up, followed by Stephenson. After that, they'd have to put Kumerow in the slot, I suppose. 

[Do The Reich Thing]

1 hour ago, billybob71 said:

dont let NE dictate the pace and make this a low scoring grudge match, come out firing be aggressive and convert in the redzone. This will force Mac Jones to try and keep up and pass more, of course ol Belicheat is gonna do whatever he can to prevent this style of game.

 

I agree, but McD and Co play to the style their opponents dictate. This has been a consistent in his tenure. 

[newcam2012]

2 hours ago, Rockinon said:

Just read an article about Buffalo's run game. They have been very effective on 1st down, the last couple of weeks. Averaging over 5yds last week and over 10 the week before. Good sign. Buffalo doesn't need a juggernaut run game, just for it to be effective and a threat. This opens up passing plays too. In the last game nobody wanted to pass because of the very windy weather. That is Buffalo's strength on offense and wind won't be a factor. They are learning to set up pass plays better with the way defenses are playing them now. Really don't see NE holding Buffalo to under 20pts. Probably not even 30. On the flip side, I do see Buffalo holding NE to less than 20. NE has a good D, but they can't stop what is coming.

 

My prediction:

36 - 13 Buffalo

The Bills are pissed and it shows in this one.

I hope that you are correct. I do disagree with you. Why? It boils down to a few things. First, the Bills offensive is a serious problem. I just don't see them being effective enough to put up big points. Secondly, BB will do his best to talk away the Bills passing game. Lots of cover 2 and zone schemes. He will take his chance with the Bills running game beating him. Thirdly, can you feel confident Allen will have time to throw? Fourth, I see some long prolonged drives by the Pats via running and short passes. Bills will bend but not break ending up giving up field goals. However, it will keep the ball out of Allen's hands. I see a low scoring affair here. My last point is biased but I see the Bills getting several bad ref called again especially in Foxboro. 

Edited December 22, 2021 by newcam2012

[Fred Slacks]

Did anyone read Beasley’s Instagram post?  Not trying to bring that topic onto this one but it does crossover. He stated that one of his vaccinated teammates is hospitalized. I sure hope that not Dawkins after being hospitalized his first go around. 

[Stank_Nasty]

wrap it up, shoot it up, and rub a bit of dirt on it type of game.... give sanders a slap on the a** and send him out there.

[YoloinOhio]

Sanders should be able to take over in the slot for a lot of snaps

[PaattMaann]

22 minutes ago, Fred Slacks said:

Did anyone read Beasley’s Instagram post?  Not trying to bring that topic onto this one but it does crossover. He stated that one of his vaccinated teammates is hospitalized. I sure hope that not Dawkins after being hospitalized his first go around. 

 

I was assuming it was Feliciano since he has already admitted as much

[Fred Slacks]

Just now, PaattMaann said:

 

I was assuming it was Feliciano since he has already admitted as much

Copy that. I hadn’t heard about Feliciano. 

[JGMcD2]

17 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

We've needed 2 dependable TE's for 30 years. It never happens. Just another deficiency this organization has in finding offensive personnel. Right now all resources have to be directed to OL.

What has happened for 30 years has nothing to do with the organization in its current form. These are the most aggravating comments. 
 

Different owners, coaches, GMs. Unless we were constantly promoting from within or ownership was saying don’t spend resources on discovering TE… all that matters is the past 5 years. 
 

Yeah, we need a 2nd TE. The decisions of regimes outside of this one having no bearing on that. 

[dakrider]

40 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I hope that you are correct. I do disagree with you. Why? It boils down to a few things. First, the Bills offensive is a serious problem. I just don't see them being effective enough to put up big points. Secondly, BB will do his best to talk away the Bills passing game. Lots of cover 2 and zone schemes. He will take his chance with the Bills running game beating him. Thirdly, can you feel confident Allen will have time to throw? Fourth, I see some long prolonged drives by the Pats via running and short passes. Bills will bend but not break ending up giving up field goals. However, it will keep the ball out of Allen's hands. I see a low scoring affair here. My last point is biased but I see the Bills getting several bad ref called again especially in Foxboro. 

Pats only need to rush 4 to pressure Allen, leaving 7 in coverage most the time against 3 receivers and a TE.  Bills running game is no threat so Pats can let them try and run because they don't have to worry about it.  Josh is going to have to run more but hopefully not too many designed run plays but more roll outs and run if the D sits back. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, RochesterLifer said:

Yes, high of 38, 42% chance of rain. Most notably, wind forecast is down to 8 mph. Gotta like that.

Low wind is everything. 

[Rockinon]

34 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I hope that you are correct. I do disagree with you. Why? It boils down to a few things. First, the Bills offensive is a serious problem. I just don't see them being effective enough to put up big points. Secondly, BB will do his best to talk away the Bills passing game. Lots of cover 2 and zone schemes. He will take his chance with the Bills running game beating him. Thirdly, can you feel confident Allen will have time to throw? Fourth, I see some long prolonged drives by the Pats via running and short passes. Bills will bend but not break ending up giving up field goals. However, it will keep the ball out of Allen's hands. I see a low scoring affair here. My last point is biased but I see the Bills getting several bad ref called again especially in Foxboro. 

I watched that last game as the Bills entered the red zone twice as many times as NE. That was a game the Bills should have won. The offense was clearly limited by what they could do because of wind conditions. Add in the bad taste the Bills have in their mouths over that game and you are going to see a very different outcome in this game. Toward the end of that game, the offense began passing more frequently with success. I believe the Bills will overcome the refs, overcome whatever the NE D throws at them. Might even be a bloodbath game where Belichick is throwing stuff in anger again. He was lucky the weather gave him an edge in the last game. Ain't happening this time. They play smart football, but there are no lockdown corners on that team. There are no super stars. The quality of the players will be inevitable.

 

I see two stingy defenses and only one offense that is capable of taking a defense to the woodshed.....and ain't NE's.

[RiotAct]

2 hours ago, Son of a K-Gun said:

Playing the McD Clapping Drinking Game at 9am was not my best decision…

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/mic-d-up-sean-mcdermott-x3384

my wife just asked me what that… “ clapping” noise was coming from my office.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

👀

 

I have a feeling even if he's "out" he will find a way to (illegally) communicate on game day.

 

The way this week is going though, would a Josh McDaniels vs. Leslie Frazier coaching matchup shock anyone?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

👀

 

I'll bet he avoids getting tested somehow

[Blainorama5]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

Sanders should be able to take over in the slot for a lot of snaps

As long as they don't cut down on Gabe's snaps....

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, Gugny said:

 

 

This is not terrible news!!

 

I would like some rain, though.  Bill Belichick clearly doesn't trust McCorkle to throw the ball unless it's a perfect weather day.  The more predictable they can be, the better.

 

Thanks for the updates, fellas!

They were completely one dimensional and beat the Bills, so I’m not seeing the positive here. 

[YoloinOhio]

4 minutes ago, Blainorama5 said:

As long as they don't cut down on Gabe's snaps....

He would work more in sanders regular role in this case 

[Coffeesforclosers]

Oh, another reason why I'm high on this game.

 

Belichick has his hand picked Brady successor.  He had an enormous FA budget, and spent cash like water building a roster designed from the ground up to beat teams like KC and Buffalo.  He thinks he knows exactly what's coming and has all the tools he needs to beat it on both sides of the ball.

 

If he doesn't, it means NE's best shot wasn't good enough.  When are they gonna have $150 million in cap space again?  Yeaaahhh.

[Big Blitz]

 

[LeGOATski]

1 hour ago, finn said:

I notice the Bills protected Isiah Hodgkins. I think of him as a replacement for Davis, since they're built the same and seem to have similar strengths and weaknesses. But it's Beasley they need to replace. Any news on Sanders? If he's a no-go, I suppose McKenzie is the next man up, followed by Stephenson. After that, they'd have to put Kumerow in the slot, I suppose. 

Hodgins is not a Davis replacement. Despite his height, the two have different styles of play. I think Hodgins played in the slot a lot in college. He reminds me of David Nelson.

[P Riv]

4 minutes ago, Coffeesforclosers said:

Oh, another reason why I'm high on this game.

 

Belichick has his hand picked Brady successor.  He had an enormous FA budget, and spent cash like water building a roster designed from the ground up to beat teams like KC and Buffalo.  He thinks he knows exactly what's coming and has all the tools he needs to beat it on both sides of the ball.

 

If he doesn't, it means NE's best shot wasn't good enough.  When are they gonna have $150 million in cap space again?  Yeaaahhh.

 

As it stands they have 31.5 million in cap space next year, we have 8.9.  So that 150 mil we guarantee Allen is the same they laid out over a few years for multiple impact players, and they still have wiggle room.  Our guaranteed money got us a superstar QB and pedestrian OL to protect him.  I don't see where we won the offseason.  

 

[MiltonWaddams]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

I’m not sure why, but I really like that image of Josh as a deadeye. Not up, not down, just ready to rumble.

[boco357]

Just so you know per WEEI

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/bills-super-bowl-window-is-closed

 

[buffblue]

14 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

The Pats are likely to be in better shape than the narrative suggested at the beginning of this week.

 

Bourne is vaxxed and was showing no symptoms, and Stevenson finished the Colts game. They'll be close to full strength. We need Dawkins and Sanders back, and (crosses fingers) no more positive tests.

[Gugny]

49 minutes ago, WotAGuy said:

They were completely one dimensional and beat the Bills, so I’m not seeing the positive here. 

 

I'd like to think if we can hold them to 14 again, that we will kick their asses.

[Success]

13 minutes ago, boco357 said:

Just so you know per WEEI

https://www.audacy.com/weei/sports/patriots/bills-super-bowl-window-is-closed

 

 

That was thoroughly revolting to read & watch.

 

The level of arrogance in New England is at some sort of new, unprecedented level.  It's the kind of attitude I'd imagine the out-of-touch royalty had about the peasants just before the French Revolution - along those lines. It's cartoonish.

 

And I'm so tired of the argument that teams HAVE to win a SB on the QB's rookie contract, or the window is closed.  It's lazy.

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

You can’t just punt on the run game here. Get Singletary involved early and get him on the edge. He is a very solid back. The issue is the volume of touches and the playcalling. We can run it we just don’t. Do not make yourself 1 dimensional or this team will eat us alive

[LeGOATski]

3 minutes ago, Success said:

 

That was thoroughly revolting to read & watch.

 

The level of arrogance in New England is at some sort of new, unprecedented level.  It's the kind of attitude I'd imagine the out-of-touch royalty had about the peasants just before the French Revolution - along those lines. It's cartoonish.

 

And I'm so tired of the argument that teams HAVE to win a SB on the QB's rookie contract, or the window is closed.  It's lazy.

 

The team they root for has been vulnerable for the last two years after two decades of dominance.

 

When someone feels vulnerable, they're more likely to lash out. 

 

I agree that it's gotten weirder. We're getting a lot of Pats fans on this board and their media is being especially unprofessional. 

 

They're lashing out.

[dave mcbride]

24 minutes ago, buffblue said:

The Pats are likely to be in better shape than the narrative suggested at the beginning of this week.

 

Bourne is vaxxed and was showing no symptoms, and Stevenson finished the Colts game. They'll be close to full strength. We need Dawkins and Sanders back, and (crosses fingers) no more positive tests.

Yeah, they're pretty likely to be in better shape than the Bills on the roster front by Sunday. It's a real concern.