Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 What in the world does Congress have to do with this ?? They have more important matters to take care of. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern_Bills Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 hours ago, ProcessTruster said: not sure on that one... been in DC area 30+ years and if there's one thing Snyder loves it is his beloved childhood team. Plus I believe it's all he has, don't think he will let it go. It's not like he has other Biz interests of any import, the 'skins are it. The league will stop well short of forcing a sale (not sure they can do that anyway without a ton of evidence) as he has dirt on them as well. Yeah, I'm not saying he will. I know his love for his team is large. I just feel for the league to come out clean they have to work a deal with him where he walks away quietly. Not sure that's possible, but that's what they need. 14 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What in the world does Congress have to do with this ?? They have more important matters to take care of. Very true, but when you let tax dollars get involved in your business, along with antitrust law considerations. You invite the government in, just like baseball and steroids. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 3 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: His football career either on the field or on TV is already dead. At this point and time he’s really got nothing left to lose As they say Time heals all wounds. Give enough time and him asking for forgiveness, can see him getting some type of role back in football. Announcing MNF, or HC in the league, no, but some position by some team, maybe scouting area or something. Could see it happening years down the road. Seems others have done worse and got back again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 33 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What in the world does Congress have to do with this ?? They have more important matters to take care of. Rich old white men having to worry about emails they sent a decade ago? Most of congress has a lot to worry about. JMO. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Just now, The Wiz said: Rich old white men having to worry about emails they sent a decade ago? Most of congress has a lot to worry about. JMO. Serves em right LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: What in the world does Congress have to do with this ?? They have more important matters to take care of. I agree with you but then there was the baseball stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 7 hours ago, Beast said: Are they a normal part of the way the league operates? I think that's what people want to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billznut Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Muppy said: He's taking his millions and going away for good how much u wanna bet..... as far as Im concerned Jon Gruden is retired and off my radar which is where he belongs. He's not a Bill, an ex Bill and frankly he and his elevator sneakers can go take a hike. See ya won't miss ya. SMH What a waste of football acumen. If he was from a different era this would not even be out in the light of day though. Harder to prove unrecorded phone conversations eh mates.. My own dad was a bigot. I can smell my own. Its a reality of our country and its ugly. Go away Jon you are detracting from human civility. Raiders are my 2nd fav NFL team. It gives me no pleasure this debacle. None. SMH jmo Jon Gruden’s emails will be a needle in a haystack if ALL of the NFL’s emails are finally released. Everyone is focused on Gruden. That is nothing. My guess is the NFL will spend billions to keep the rest of the emails from ever surfacing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Hopefully Goodell is part of this mess. He’s done good things for the game, but I hate how soft the league has gotten under his rule. Give me a commish somewhere between Tagliabue and Goodell and we can get away from the “No Fun League” and flag football for QBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: What is there to fear exactly? Do the words "antitrust exemption" mean anything? The NFL will do anything to preserve it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 4 hours ago, JayBaller10 said: Hopefully Goodell is part of this mess. He’s done good things for the game, but I hate how soft the league has gotten under his rule. Give me a commish somewhere between Tagliabue and Goodell and we can get away from the “No Fun League” and flag football for QBs. I don’t think that toothpaste is ever going back into the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 The issue I see with releasing private emails and allowing their contents to be judged based on how offended the public happens to be is that being offended is such a subjective thing. Let's assume there are emails between owners and Goodell where they are throwing racial slurs at Kaepernick. That one isn't really subjective (I guess to rednecks it would be). But what about an email where someone says he doesn't believe there should ever be a female head coach? You know someone would be crucified for this and held up as a misogynist. But that could be an opinion where it's not simply black or white. Now for the record I don't agree with this this line of thinking, it was just the first example that came to mind. The problem with society now is that Twitter seems to have a build-in outrage-o-meter which is used to determine whether something justifies a punishment, and that's pretty troubling to me at least. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 18 hours ago, RiotAct said: nice that they have the luxury of worrying about stuff like this. We must be in a really good place right now. Problem is they've got video of McD practicing his clapping while reading email... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Not that I’m diminishing the issue here, but doesn’t Congress have more pressing issues impacting the nation as a whole? Just spitballing here ….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv's Neighbor Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 IF we had Congressional term limits there would be no worries, because everyone that was there, would now be gone. Now we'll see endless hearings that solve/resolve nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastie Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Congress does have more important things, that's why they have so many committees. Junior members get less important ones to serve on and sometimes they might latch onto a high profile issue to boost their own profile. Or maybe I'm just a bit cynical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Roger messed up enormously here. His leaking of emails to destroy Gruden made this an enormous scandal. Also, Florio is in heaven with this stuff. Anything to tear down the league he profits from himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 Hahaha! Let’s release all the private emails of the self righteous “members of Congress” and then you’ll see real fear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, buffaloboyinATL said: Hahaha! Let’s release all the private emails of the self righteous “members of Congress” and then you’ll see real fear. Two wrongs don't make a "right." It's quite sad how many people in this thread voice the opinion, basically, that Congress should not be concerned with a widespread trend of racist, homophobe, and misogynist behavior within the foundations of the NFL, given the level of influence the sport has in modern American society. What does the NFL have to lose? How about the fact that they are a de facto and arguably de jure monopoly in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act? How about Congress deciding it's time to go after the NFL and deny them their "special" status within the construct of current American law? So there's that, to name one concern. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said: Roger messed up enormously here. His leaking of emails to destroy Gruden made this an enormous scandal. Also, Florio is in heaven with this stuff. Anything to tear down the league he profits from himself. lol Goodell leaked the emails? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 (edited) On 10/24/2021 at 12:15 PM, Nextmanup said: Two wrongs don't make a "right." It's quite sad how many people in this thread voice the opinion, basically, that Congress should not be concerned with a widespread trend of racist, homophobe, and misogynist behavior within the foundations of the NFL, given the level of influence the sport has in modern American society. What does the NFL have to lose? How about the fact that they are a de facto and arguably de jure monopoly in violation of the Sherman Anti-Trust Act? How about Congress deciding it's time to go after the NFL and deny them their "special" status within the construct of current American law? So there's that, to name one concern. And then when that is done let’s target all of the employees of Microsoft because it is an important part of American culture and they get a bunch of tax breaks, so we have to hold them to a higher standard. Oh, and when that witch hunt is done, let’s review the private communications of all federal employees, because they work for the taxpayers and we have the right to know what they say and do behind closed doors. Where do you draw the line? Edited October 27, 2021 by buffaloboyinATL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 22 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/10/22/member-of-congress-fears-jon-gruden-emails-are-the-tip-of-the-iceberg/ I do wonder also if Gruden is gonna come gunning for Goodell and company after telling HBO that the truth will come out? The NFL is weaponizing these findings to basically threaten anyone who goes against them that has emails mixed up in there with them "leaking" to the press "anonymously". Honestly it's pretty screwed up how they are handling this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 17 minutes ago, Big Turk said: The NFL is weaponizing these findings to basically threaten anyone who goes against them that has emails mixed up in there with them "leaking" to the press "anonymously". Honestly it's pretty screwed up how they are handling this. They are handling it like any other corporation would, information in this case represents power and control, do you think for even one second that any power hungry entity (corporations) would do something different? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 I hope the Bears sign Gruden, yes he made a mistake but he is still a good HC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I hope the Bears sign Gruden, yes he made a mistake but he is still a good HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Shots fired! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DQW87 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 NFL probably has already made the emails disappear for good just like the spygate tapes that were so bad they had to be destroyed on the spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Goodell is a piece of crap. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I don’t care what “side” you’re on with this, I just wish everyone could admit that Goodell is a disaster. The NFL has had nothing but controversy during his reign. Some of it was on him, other times not so much, but he’s never done anything to bring calm or clarity to a situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Banner week for Mr. Goodell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 hours ago, DQW87 said: NFL probably has already made the emails disappear for good just like the spygate tapes that were so bad they had to be destroyed on the spot. Any good IT staffer would have months or even years of backups. So, they made the entire archive disappear? I don’t think so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 11 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Not defending Roger but this is a stupid statement by the lawyer - just because some of the people she represents don't want anonymity doesn't mean there are none who came forward who do. Guess she's just doing her job stirring crap up 1 hour ago, SirAndrew said: I don’t care what “side” you’re on with this, I just wish everyone could admit that Goodell is a disaster. The NFL has had nothing but controversy during his reign. Some of it was on him, other times not so much, but he’s never done anything to bring calm or clarity to a situation. Goodell works for the owners - the average value of their franchises has gone up to 3.5 beeeeelion during his tenure. That's what they care about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 I get this is completely relevant to our sport but holy hell! This thread is the anti-viagara to a wet dream of a season! It's not mutually exclusive but don't let yourselves get too wrapped up in this garbage in a season alot of us have waited their entire adult life for! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, stevewin said: Not defending Roger but this is a stupid statement by the lawyer - just because some of the people she represents don't want anonymity doesn't mean there are none who came forward who do. Guess she's just doing her job stirring crap up Goodell works for the owners - the average value of their franchises has gone up to 3.5 beeeeelion during his tenure. That's what they care about. That’s a good point, they’re making money, and that’s all that counts. The NFL has been on auto pilot for years, with its natural increase in popularity bringing huge profits. I think if I were an owner I’d be slightly concerned that chaos could cook the golden goose if it keeps up. I’m not able to fully attribute the increase in profits to Goodell. I think it’s more of a natural increase brought on by various factors, and I think the NFL succeeds in spite of Goodell, not because of him. You’re correct though, Goodell has a job as long as profits are soaring. Edited October 27, 2021 by SirAndrew 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 hours ago, DQW87 said: NFL probably has already made the emails disappear for good just like the spygate tapes that were so bad they had to be destroyed on the spot. Nothing is secret in today's digital age... it leaves a fingerprint somewhere... good luck trying to whitewash it... just makes the cybernerds more determined to look... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Regarding the tax status people keep mentioning. I recall the NFL giving up their not for profit status a few years back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 hours ago, DQW87 said: NFL probably has already made the emails disappear for good just like the spygate tapes that were so bad they had to be destroyed on the spot. Nope, not in today cyber world, they cat has been LONG out of the bag on that one. No way the NFL is putting that toothpaste back in the tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 Maybe if Bezos gives Snyder a space station in addition to $3-4 billion for the team he would take it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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