MrSarcasm Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Has anyone from the Belichick coaching tree been any good? Negative BatmanĀ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Htt2821 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said: Has anyone from the Belichick coaching tree been any good? I am sure you mean in the NFL, but Saban has done okay for himself at Alabama.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, LeGOATski said: Good coordinator, bad HC. Ā We've seen this a million times. Ā Let's just hope Miami extends his contract. Ā Even that, you need to put a * next to it as never sure how much BB was really pulling the strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 There is far too much talent on that team to have only one win. At some point you cannot keep playing man to man and wondering wh it doesn't work. Has to be coaching. Flores is probably done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Hooks Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 On top of all that, Eagles have their first rounder. Ouch! Thatās going to be a nice pick.Ā 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, eball said: This is hilarious. Since doing an āamazingā job his first year in Miami this guy has to be considered one of the worst head coaches in the league. Iāve posted many times before about how badly he botched Tuaās first year and how he had his team completely unprepared in last yearās finale, but the embarrassment of losing to the Jags takes the cake. Flores sucks and eff the Fish.Ā Ā 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
298Woody Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Flores success was directly tied to Fitzpatrick. Ryan turned around a horrible team and pulled the locker room together two years ago and again last year he was either winning the game or coming in relief to win it. Tua isn't even a team captan. Horrible organization from the top down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: Ā A lot of Dolphins fans have convinced themselves Herbert would not be any better than Tua if he was playing on that offense.Ā Ā Ā That's a standard losers lament. Ā We were even hearing that here on TSW as recently as a few weeks ago with regard to the Bills passing on Patrick Mahomes.Ā Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Kmart128 said: I for life of me cant figure out why theyvlet Fitzpatrick walk. He made them competitive. They are so much better with Fitz than Tua. That, and Tua just blows as a NFL QB, the guys fragile as balsa wood, and heās physically weak compared to any real QB with arm arroganceā¦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, LeviF said: I hope they hire every belichick acolyte from here to eternity.Ā Ā Acolyte??Ā Def.- a person assisting the celebrant in a religious service or procession. Well done! Had to Google that. Although I would hardly call Belichick religious, but good word! Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, PonyBoy said: Ā Acolyte??Ā Def.- a person assisting the celebrant in a religious service or procession. Well done! Had to Google that. Although I would hardly call Belichick religious, but good word! Ā Ā To be fair, religious isn't always "good" religious lol. But I get it... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 He's not a good HC.Ā But let's say Frazier takes a HC'ing job and Flores is fired: would you take him as a DC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Duffy Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Doc said: He's not a good HC.Ā But let's say Frazier takes a HC'ing job and Flores is fired: would you take him as a DC? Not sure. I would probably be patient to see what/how things play out. Could get a better DC.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheneneh Jenkins said: Not sure. I would probably be patient to see what/how things play out. Could get a better DC.Ā Ā True.Ā Flores' success with the Cheaters was probably all due to Belicheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, eball said: This is hilarious. Since doing an āamazingā job his first year in Miami this guy has to be considered one of the worst head coaches in the league. Iāve posted many times before about how badly he botched Tuaās first year and how he had his team completely unprepared in last yearās finale, but the embarrassment of losing to the Jags takes the cake. Flores sucks and eff the Fish.Ā He isn't. Ā I said the same thing the first time they pulled Tua and put Fitz back in. Ā You either try to win football games and get to the playoffs or you try to groom a rookie QB. Ā Can't play QB carousel to do both. Ā I knew right then and there that he wasn't a good coach. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 (edited) I think the dolphins problem is the lack of co-defensive coordinators! š¤£ it's working so well on offense...! Edited October 18, 2021 by foreboding 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Has anyone from the Belichick coaching tree been any good? I'll say it again.....Once you can no longer cheat, you can't win. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 3 hours ago, eball said: This is hilarious. Since doing an āamazingā job his first year in Miami this guy has to be considered one of the worst head coaches in the league. Iāve posted many times before about how badly he botched Tuaās first year and how he had his team completely unprepared in last yearās finale, but the embarrassment of losing to the Jags takes the cake. Flores sucks and eff the Fish.Ā The problem with Flores is that he never seemed to have a long term plan in any way. Ā After his team overachieved in 2019, he hired Chan to run a Taylor-made for offense for Fitzpatrickā¦knowing full well that the team would likely be drafting a QB. The QB drafted was a bad fit for the offense and he never had any plan for his development. Ā Then after the Tua failure in 2020, he hires two unknown commodities to call plays and run the offense to terrible results. Ā Ā To his credit Flores was a great motivator and helped his team overachieve at times - especially in 2019. Ā Heās also been a good defensive coach and his teamās ability to force turnovers (many times against poor competition) likely masked some of the teams problems. Ā I think overall heās an ok coach that in a bad situation with Miami. Ā A big part of his predicament is his fault , though the GM has been terrible as well Ā Ā Ā Ā 16 minutes ago, Scott7975 said: He isn't. Ā I said the same thing the first time they pulled Tua and put Fitz back in. Ā You either try to win football games and get to the playoffs or you try to groom a rookie QB. Ā Can't play QB carousel to do both. Ā I knew right then and there that he wasn't a good coach. This was a HUGE red flag for me. Ā I loved how many in the media brushed it off as though it was no big deal, when it could very well be the nail in his coffin.Ā Ā When you switch to a rookie QB you canāt give them the hook in a close game. Ā You need to ride or die with them.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 I thought Flores could be a good find for Miami but this season has proven otherwise. Just poor management of a situation that could have been way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 Sometimes a mechanic is only as good as his tools.Ā Ā Bills= Dewalt Fins= Harbor Freight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 17, 2021 Share Posted October 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Htt2821 said: I am sure you mean in the NFL, but Saban has done okay for himself at Alabama.Ā Thatās college, itās like being king of the playground, so it doesnāt count for anything in all reality.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: McD went 6-10 in year 2. Unless Flores has lost the locker room he will be back. So youāre comparing McDermottās Year 2 to Floresā Year 3? Ā Besides, McDermott finished 10-6 and made the playoffs in his 3rd season and his franchise QBās 2nd. Ā Ā Flores lost to a team that hasnāt won for nearly 2 seasons 3 hours ago, 298Woody said: Flores success was directly tied to Fitzpatrick. Ryan turned around a horrible team and pulled the locker room together two years ago and again last year he was either winning the game or coming in relief to win it. Tua isn't even a team captan. Horrible organization from the top down. Fitzpatrick and turnoversā¦. Even when Fitzpatrick was ābenched,ā Miami still won with Tua thanks to a defense that forced turnovers against average to bad teams. Ā Ā It was pretty clear that their model of winning wasnāt sustainable and there was no better example than Week 17 in 2020. Ā Ā I think if anything the 10-6 record last season was a bit of mirage and raised expectations a little higher than they shouldāve been Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Warcodered said: True but with all the players they traded away and how their season started people didn't think they'd get a win at all let alone 5. McDermott made the playoffs when the Bills did that. Flores sucks as a coach Edited October 18, 2021 by Captain Hindsight 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 He is the best Coach... For the rest of the teams in the AFC, especially the Bills.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsherd Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I need to see Mia win some games so they don't have very high pick that helps that more in getting Watson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, billsherd said: I need to see Mia win some games so they don't have very high pick that helps that more in getting Watson. the Eagles have their first round pick in '22. Ā The Dolphins have the 49ers' 1st rounder in '22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Williams Available Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said: Has anyone from the Belichick coaching tree been any good? Heās not even that good with Tom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: the Eagles have their first round pick in '22. Ā The Dolphins have the 49ers' 1st rounder in '22 Go 9'ers Ā 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716er Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Dolphins are a Desean Watson away from 6-11 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I think Flores is pretty good. There arenāt many coaches who can survive losing their closer in free agency.Ā 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Good coordinator, bad HC. Ā We've seen this a million times. Ā Let's just hope Miami extends his contract. Your opponent makes mistakes donāt get in the way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 hours ago, billsherd said: I need to see Mia win some games so they don't have very high pick that helps that more in getting Watson. Ā We want Miami losing every game they can this year - to the point of replacing Jacksonville and going 1-16 after winning week 1. Ā That Miami pick goes to Philly and with their other potential pick makes them more likely to get Watson - potentially 3 first round picks in the top 10. Ā We also want teams like Seattle (NYJ have their #1) and SF (Miami has their #1) to get better and get more wins. Ā My biggest takeaway is the bungle of a job Miami did this off season after making a big trade with SF and making a huge profit with Houstonās pick - to give most of that profit up for a WR was just dumb. Ā That trade could end up being the biggest reason they canāt Ā get Watson and canāt get a new QB next year. Ā Maybe it all works out, but currently they screwed them selves and I love it. Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 14 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Good coordinator, bad HC. Ā We've seen this a million times. Ā Let's just hope Miami extends his contract. Was Flores ever a coordinator? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 19 minutes ago, mannc said: Was Flores ever a coordinator? Ā No. He called defensive plays his final year in New England but his official title remained linebackers coach I believe.Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 15 hours ago, eball said: This is hilarious. Since doing an āamazingā job his first year in Miami this guy has to be considered one of the worst head coaches in the league. Iāve posted many times before about how badly he botched Tuaās first year and how he had his team completely unprepared in last yearās finale, but the embarrassment of losing to the Jags takes the cake. Flores sucks and eff the Fish.Ā Ā Lets hope they don't fire him or the GM 8 hours ago, billsherd said: I need to see Mia win some games so they don't have very high pick that helps that more in getting Watson. Ā If those 22 women have anything to say Warson's next game might be against the Bulls......the guards team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Yesterday was a super weird situation for me. Ā Team 1- Ten win team the year before with coach of the year candidate.Ā Have their "franchise QB" back from injury. Ā Team 2- First overall draft pick and on 20 game losing streak.Ā Rookie QB playing under hack college coach more known for cheating on his wife than getting wins.Ā Home field advantage lost to neutral site game.Ā Other first round pick out with injury. Ā I bet actual currency on Team 2, and WON.Ā Legit "buy a cheeseburger" moolah in my pocket from being more confident at this point in Team 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I confess... Ā Last year I read/heard stories about how the Dolphins were the following the Bills blueprint and that Flores was South Florida's McDermott: a team-first, follow-the-process, culture builder. Ā When the fins finished 10-6 last year - doubling their win total of the year before, I believed those stories.Ā Silly me. Ā Btw, as a reminder, the only time McD didn't get the Bills into the playoffs was 2018 when the we had the lowest active cap spending - and arguably the weakest roster - in the NFL.Ā Just earning 6 wins that season was a solid bit of coaching.Ā Ā Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I confess... Ā Last year I read/heard stories about how the Dolphins were the following the Bills blueprint and that Flores was South Florida's McDermott: a team-first, follow-the-process, culture builder. Ā When the fins finished 10-6 last year - doubling their win total of the year before, I believed those stories.Ā Silly me. Ā Btw, as a reminder, the only time McD didn't get the Bills into the playoffs was 2018 when the we had the lowest active cap spending - and arguably the weakest roster - in the NFL.Ā Just earning 6 wins that season was a solid bit of coaching.Ā Ā That disciplinarian "I am smarter and tougher than anyone else" act works for a while but then wears thin.Ā Reports are that that is what eventually wore thin with Brady.Ā Bellichick had Brady to back him up (for most of the run) and they won.Ā But with that kind of coach things tend to snowball when a team starts losing.Ā It's hard to listen to a coach who screams at you because he knows better than everyone else, when his record is 1-5.Ā That's always been the problem with the Belichick coaching tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 14 hours ago, foreboding said: There is far too much talent on that team to have only one win. At some point you cannot keep playing man to man and wondering wh it doesn't work. Has to be coaching. Flores is probably done. But that the thing they don't just play man to man. They play zone as well. The problem is the times that they SHOULD be playing man they play zone and vise versa. Why that is, I have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Flores is doing an outstanding job this season coaching the Dolphins. He has the Fins right where I want them. Good job Coach!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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