Schefter; Herbert is "lock" for HOF, Mahomes / Herbert best young QBs in NFL

[Inigo Montoya]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

OP heard Schefters comment yet he missed them explaining why they had to delay the game like 6 times…

 

 

I'm definitely going to give myself a stern talking to about that.  I might even put myself on double secret probation...

[Allen2D̶i̶g̶g̶s̶TBD]

I would attribute his comments to having to fill 30 minutes and wanting to create a hot take to stir up discussion. 

 

Herbert is a great young qb, but saying that someone is a lock for the HOF after 18 starts is not wise. Consider some of these recent young players that started on that track and had their careers derailed:

 

Shawne Merriman (40 sacks in first 3 years)

Josh Freeman (2nd season had 3400 yards, 25TD-6INT)

Peyton Hillis and Vince Young (both made the cover of madden. Vince won ROY)

Steve Slaton (won rookie of the year)

RGIII (ROY)

 

There are countless others, but these were the first to come to mind.

 

Success in the NFL requires constant improvement and durability. One fluke injury can ruin a guy's whole career. I think once a guy has played at a high level over a decade we can start to have the discussion over whether he's HOF worthy.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2021 by Allen2Diggs

[FilthyBeast]

Herbert might end up being a great QB but as of right now the only accomplishment he has on his resume is winning against Mahomes in KC and being the AFCW division leader through 4 weeks. A lot can and will likely change in the coming weeks and I still find it hard to believe the Chiefs won't end up winning that division when the dust settles.

 

But coaching matters and having a very aggressive head coach who has shown so far he's going to go for it on 4th down frequently until it costs him has gone a long way to getting Herbert and the chargers to where they are. This is also why McDermott must follow suite this week against the Chiefs even if we have a 2 score lead at any point in the game.

[Malazan]

So I live in Texas and went to the Wendys drive through and they answered the intercom with "Hello, what can I get for you?" and not "Josh Allen is greatest QB of all time." so I started blasting until I made them all proclaim it with conviction. 

 

[Chandler#81]

This is so stupid of Sheftee. Ever hear of Greg Cook? RGlll? Dan Pastorini? 
The kid looks great. No doubt. But he’s only played a max of 20 games. Hardly a HOF measurement..🤦‍♂️
 

Shart happens. 🤷‍♂️

[ProcessTruster]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/los-angeles-chargers/nfl-world-reacts-to-adam-schefters-bold-justin-herbert-comment

 

Schefter made this pronouncement in the pregame commentary when the start of the game was delayed 30 minutes for a thunder storm.  (A $5 BILLION dome stadium and they can't play in it during a thunder storm?  What the h*ll?)

 

He also said during the same soliloquy that Mahomes and Herbert were the two best young QBs in the NFL and would be the choices of any NFL GM looking to start a franchise.

 

I'm not here to put down Mahomes or Herbert, I agree with Schefty that they are amazing young QBs.   I don't need to put them down to believe that Josh is fantastic too.  Was Schefty just throwing a hot take out there on the fly and just overlooked Allen, or does he really put Mahomes and Herbert in a different tier than Allen? 

 

I think Allen legitimately deserves to be in the conversation for best young NFL QB.  I would put Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Watson all in that group.  Watson obviously has some issues that could derail his career, and I could see some people leaving him out of that conversation right now because of it.  I'm not going to get mad about someone believing that Allen isn't the best of the three, but for Josh to not even earn an honorable mention is a bit strange.

 

For my money, I wouldn't trade Allen for either of them.  That's not a knock on Mahomes or Herbert, I just have a huge amount of faith in Josh and believe he has the traits to be an all-time great QB.  I also believe Josh's DNA fits Buffalo far better than either of the other two guys would.  

 

 

 

 

I want the franchise to be competitive, go win games big and small, and get to and win a SB or two.   Couldn't care less about power rankings and personal beauty contests.  For example, you think Edmunds is a two time "pro bowler"?   Didn't think so.   The beauty contest sh-t takes care of itself if your team takes care of business.   All three QBs are terrific and amazing to watch, along with Joe Burrow and a couple others.   The DNA fit stuff is irrelevant to the issue at hand.   Let's go find a way to beat KC as a team.   The media beauty contest judges will follow.  

[Captain Hindsight]

1 hour ago, LeGOATski said:

I'm more baffled by the delay of game...

 

Is it be cause the side of the stadium is open?

Pretty much. I read the top is basically a giant tarp

[QCity]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Pretty much. I read the top is basically a giant tarp

 

[FilthyBeast]

5 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

This is so stupid of Sheftee. Ever hear of Greg Cook? RGlll? Dan Pastorini? 
The kid looks great. No doubt. But he’s only played a max of 20 games. Hardly a HOF measurement..🤦‍♂️
 

Shart happens. 🤷‍♂️

 

I think the Herbert hype is similar to Mahomes (who did sit his rookie year) in that he's been so good out of the game and if the Chargers had better luck last year (i.e. not Anthony Lynn coaching) they may have even been in the playoff picture.

 

But yes agree that things can happen to derail the entire Herbert hype train.

 

It's pretty crazy though that regardless of the Bills seeding in the playoffs, they are certainly going to end up facing a guy like Herbert, Mahomes, Jackson, etc in the very first playoff game which goes to show how loaded the AFC.

[billybrew1]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/los-angeles-chargers/nfl-world-reacts-to-adam-schefters-bold-justin-herbert-comment

 

Schefter made this pronouncement in the pregame commentary when the start of the game was delayed 30 minutes for a thunder storm.  (A $5 BILLION dome stadium and they can't play in it during a thunder storm?  What the h*ll?)

 

He also said during the same soliloquy that Mahomes and Herbert were the two best young QBs in the NFL and would be the choices of any NFL GM looking to start a franchise.

 

I'm not here to put down Mahomes or Herbert, I agree with Schefty that they are amazing young QBs.   I don't need to put them down to believe that Josh is fantastic too.  Was Schefty just throwing a hot take out there on the fly and just overlooked Allen, or does he really put Mahomes and Herbert in a different tier than Allen? 

 

I think Allen legitimately deserves to be in the conversation for best young NFL QB.  I would put Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Watson all in that group.  Watson obviously has some issues that could derail his career, and I could see some people leaving him out of that conversation right now because of it.  I'm not going to get mad about someone believing that Allen isn't the best of the three, but for Josh to not even earn an honorable mention is a bit strange.

 

For my money, I wouldn't trade Allen for either of them.  That's not a knock on Mahomes or Herbert, I just have a huge amount of faith in Josh and believe he has the traits to be an all-time great QB.  I also believe Josh's DNA fits Buffalo far better than either of the other two guys would.  

 

 

 

 

I think Allen has the greatest potential of the three. I think he is practically unstoppable when he is. On. The trouble is I don't know if he has been "on" this year?

Close to it vs. Washington I guess. He played well vs. Houston by all accounts....

I think to beat KC this week he has to play better than he has this year....

In his defense, our ability to protect him has not been as good as last season although he killed it in games last season with poor(er) protection.

C'mon Josh! Just kick ass this week!

 

Go Bills!

[boater]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/los-angeles-chargers/nfl-world-reacts-to-adam-schefters-bold-justin-herbert-comment

 

Schefter made this pronouncement in the pregame commentary when the start of the game was delayed 30 minutes for a thunder storm.  (A $5 BILLION dome stadium and they can't play in it during a thunder storm?  What the h*ll?)

 

He also said during the same soliloquy that Mahomes and Herbert were the two best young QBs in the NFL and would be the choices of any NFL GM looking to start a franchise.

 

I'm not here to put down Mahomes or Herbert, I agree with Schefty that they are amazing young QBs.   I don't need to put them down to believe that Josh is fantastic too.  Was Schefty just throwing a hot take out there on the fly and just overlooked Allen, or does he really put Mahomes and Herbert in a different tier than Allen? 

 

I think Allen legitimately deserves to be in the conversation for best young NFL QB.  I would put Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Watson all in that group.  Watson obviously has some issues that could derail his career, and I could see some people leaving him out of that conversation right now because of it.  I'm not going to get mad about someone believing that Allen isn't the best of the three, but for Josh to not even earn an honorable mention is a bit strange.

 

For my money, I wouldn't trade Allen for either of them.  That's not a knock on Mahomes or Herbert, I just have a huge amount of faith in Josh and believe he has the traits to be an all-time great QB.  I also believe Josh's DNA fits Buffalo far better than either of the other two guys would.  

 

 

 

 

Today, I consider Josh to be a Top-5 QB in the NFL.  But... for the reasons highlighted, I consider Josh to be, without a doubt, to be the Best QB in the league for the Buffalo Bills.

 

The events surrounding Josh's drafting by Buffalo are just short of a spiritual or religious event. There was more than luck at play during that period.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said:

Hes really turned into a tool. Read an article on him having a business that took bets with Kraft. Dude went from a lock, to an attention hoe, to less credible alllll the way down right untrustworthy. Huge conflict of interest. Idc what he says, and he's been wrong a ton lately. Anything he says I have to wonder how is he spinning this to make $, cause there's an angle 👎

 

Isn't he the one who was saying that Marrone would be the next coach of the Jets (the two of them shared an agent) after St Doug quit on the Bills?

[FLFan]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/los-angeles-chargers/nfl-world-reacts-to-adam-schefters-bold-justin-herbert-comment

 

Schefter made this pronouncement in the pregame commentary when the start of the game was delayed 30 minutes for a thunder storm.  (A $5 BILLION dome stadium and they can't play in it during a thunder storm?  What the h*ll?)

 

He also said during the same soliloquy that Mahomes and Herbert were the two best young QBs in the NFL and would be the choices of any NFL GM looking to start a franchise.

 

I'm not here to put down Mahomes or Herbert, I agree with Schefty that they are amazing young QBs.   I don't need to put them down to believe that Josh is fantastic too.  Was Schefty just throwing a hot take out there on the fly and just overlooked Allen, or does he really put Mahomes and Herbert in a different tier than Allen? 

 

I think Allen legitimately deserves to be in the conversation for best young NFL QB.  I would put Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Watson all in that group.  Watson obviously has some issues that could derail his career, and I could see some people leaving him out of that conversation right now because of it.  I'm not going to get mad about someone believing that Allen isn't the best of the three, but for Josh to not even earn an honorable mention is a bit strange.

 

For my money, I wouldn't trade Allen for either of them.  That's not a knock on Mahomes or Herbert, I just have a huge amount of faith in Josh and believe he has the traits to be an all-time great QB.  I also believe Josh's DNA fits Buffalo far better than either of the other two guys would.  

 

 

 

 

I can’t bring myself to care what he thinks.  

[MJS]

He could have his leg snapped and never be the same. I don't think it is wise to offer hall of fame takes until a player has significant seasons under their belt and have achieved something. Mahomes is close because he has already taken his team to two Superbowls, winning one, and he has been an MVP. He already has some hall of fame worthy accolades. But Herbert? Not even close. At least let him take his team to the playoffs first.

Edited October 5, 2021 by MJS

[billsfan89]

The NFL is loaded with quality young QB's. In the AFC alone you have Mahomes, Herbert, Josh Allen, and Lamar Jackson all performing at high levels (and if Deshaun Watson ever comes back that's another MVP caliber beast.) Then you have Burrow and Baker Mayfield who have shown stretches of good play and potential. Then of course you have the 2021 rookies who are still developing, Lawrence, Mac Jones, and Zack Wilson. 

 

That's 5 (including Watson) high MVP caliber QB's in the AFC age 26 or younger. Another 2 QB's playing a fairly high level and 3 more highly drafted rookies breaking in. Then in the NFC you have Kyler Murray who is killing it at an MVP level and Darnold showing some improved play too. I don't think I have ever seen 6 young QB's playing at an MVP level in the NFL like this ever. That's in addition to QB's still in their primes like Russell Wilson and vets like Aaron Rodger and Brady. 

 

The best time ever for QB play in my opinion. 

[billsbackto81]

Mahomes is the "default" QB when this topic pops up as well it should. The rest is subjective and opiniated. 

Allen, Herbert, Murray, Jackson usually follow as filler. Herbert was in the spotlight so it's convenient for Sheftner to mention. Don't be surprised if next Sunday night he says, Mahomes and Allen are this generations Brady and Manning. 

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

They mentioned Josh Allen a few minutes later, and Schefter clarified that Josh Allen belongs there too, but they were discussing young QB's that came onto the scene firing on all cylinders - whereas Josh was developed into the guy he is now. 

I would still argue allen came into the league firing on all cylinders relative to the talent around him.  Herbert and mahomes got dropped into  fantastic situations because the chargers couldn't win a single close game and the chiefs were already a solid team drafting a qb that they could groom.  Allen made Robert foster look like an all pro lol I can't think of anyone else that could do that.  This whole narrative of he was bad and then worked hard to improve is pretty exaggerated in my opinion...he won like half his starts with an all time awful roster with receivers that led the league in drops and were last in the league in separation

Edited October 5, 2021 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[ticketssince61]

2 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

 It is a beautiful stadium.  I'd love to see a Bills game there someday.  

 

There is a game there this coming February which we'd all love to see the Bills in!

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, SCBills said:

They mentioned Josh Allen a few minutes later, and Schefter clarified that Josh Allen belongs there too, but they were discussing young QB's that came onto the scene firing on all cylinders - whereas Josh was developed into the guy he is now. 

 

Appreciate the clarification, but shame on Schefty if so:  Mahomes sat his entire rookie season, then was handed the keys to an offense that was 6th in points, 5th in yards, 7th in passing yards his rookie season (while he sat on the bench and watched Smith run it). 

 

Did KC's offense take a big step forward with Mahomes 2nd season (the first season he played)?  Absolutely!  He was amazing his rookie year! 

 

But we'll never know if he "came onto the scene firing on all cylinders" because he spent his first year in the NFL on the bench.

[FireChans]

3 hours ago, Inigo Montoya said:

https://thespun.com/nfl/afc-west/los-angeles-chargers/nfl-world-reacts-to-adam-schefters-bold-justin-herbert-comment

 

Schefter made this pronouncement in the pregame commentary when the start of the game was delayed 30 minutes for a thunder storm.  (A $5 BILLION dome stadium and they can't play in it during a thunder storm?  What the h*ll?)

 

He also said during the same soliloquy that Mahomes and Herbert were the two best young QBs in the NFL and would be the choices of any NFL GM looking to start a franchise.

 

I'm not here to put down Mahomes or Herbert, I agree with Schefty that they are amazing young QBs.   I don't need to put them down to believe that Josh is fantastic too.  Was Schefty just throwing a hot take out there on the fly and just overlooked Allen, or does he really put Mahomes and Herbert in a different tier than Allen? 

 

I think Allen legitimately deserves to be in the conversation for best young NFL QB.  I would put Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, and Watson all in that group.  Watson obviously has some issues that could derail his career, and I could see some people leaving him out of that conversation right now because of it.  I'm not going to get mad about someone believing that Allen isn't the best of the three, but for Josh to not even earn an honorable mention is a bit strange.

 

For my money, I wouldn't trade Allen for either of them.  That's not a knock on Mahomes or Herbert, I just have a huge amount of faith in Josh and believe he has the traits to be an all-time great QB.  I also believe Josh's DNA fits Buffalo far better than either of the other two guys would.  

 

 

 

 

Who cares if Josh deserves to be mentioned off hand by an NFL reporter during a rain delay?

 

what are we talking about here

[Inigo Montoya]

9 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Who cares if Josh deserves to be mentioned off hand by an NFL reporter during a rain delay?

 

what are we talking about here

 

Stuff you talk about on a no-news Tuesday during the regular season.

 

Carry on.

 

😉

[buffalostu2]

3 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

I'm more baffled by the delay of game...

 

Is it be cause the side of the stadium is open?

Yes it is categorized as an open stadium and treated as such

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

Bills fans regarding JA

 

 

[Success]

If the choice was between Allen and Herbert, I doubt any GM in the league would pick the latter to lead their team for the next decade+.

 

Herbert looks great, but c'mon.

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

3 hours ago, SCBills said:

They mentioned Josh Allen a few minutes later, and Schefter clarified that Josh Allen belongs there too, but they were discussing young QB's that came onto the scene firing on all cylinders - whereas Josh was developed into the guy he is now. 

Thanks. This completely changes this conversation and might prevent Schefter being burned in effigy…

[RyanC883]

3 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

I saw the piece. It was Steve Young who chimed in a few minutes later about Josh Allen -- and he clarified that he would place Allen in a different category than Herbert or Mahomes because both of them were outstanding right away, whereas everyone knew that Allen came into the league so raw. Young said Josh has grown by leaps and bounds and that he will continue to do so -- essentially said that he has a limitless ceiling.

 

I think Allen and Jackson are both in that category.  Jackson has really improved as a passer this year. 

 

 

3 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:

I saw the piece. It was Steve Young who chimed in a few minutes later about Josh Allen -- and he clarified that he would place Allen in a different category than Herbert or Mahomes because both of them were outstanding right away, whereas everyone knew that Allen came into the league so raw. Young said Josh has grown by leaps and bounds and that he will continue to do so -- essentially said that he has a limitless ceiling.

 

was it Young or Schffner?  Who do we burn in effigy??.   Both are kind of boring, IMhO.  

Edited October 5, 2021 by RyanC883

[Scott7975]

36 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

 

I think Allen and Jackson are both in that category.  Jackson has really improved as a passer this year. 

 

 

 

was it Young or Schffner?  Who do we burn in effigy??.   Both are kind of boring, IMhO.  

 

Jackson seems the same to me.  He is up there in yardage but only has 75 completions which is second last to Mayfield of full time starters.  He also has a terrible TD/INT ratio 4 TDs 3 INTS.  Jacksons completion is 60.5%. which is 4% lower than last season.  What is the improvement in?  

[oldmanfan]

About 5 years ago I predicted that the star NFL QB would become extinct after guys like Brady, Brees, Rogers, Big Ben retired.  My logic was that the spread offenses and read option offenses that QBs run in college would never translate to the NFL game.  
 

Anyone surprised I’m not an NFL GM?

[Giuseppe Tognarelli]

Setting aside my Bills bias, if I were starting a franchise, I'm not sure who I'd pick between Herbert and Allen. I think I'd go with Allen, but... it's very, very close.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

was it Young or Schffner?  Who do we burn in effigy??.   Both are kind of boring, IMhO.  

 

durrr that's answered easily, we just burn Beasely

 

(kidding.  KIDDING!)

[Niagara Dude]

5 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

Does not matter,  you need to win or no one cares.  If Allen wins a Super Bowl he will get his props, Mahomes has won

 

[Dopey]

The nerve of that guy! 

[RangerDave]

I'm willing to bet that even Herbert would laugh at the comment from Shefter.  He doesn't seem like the type of person to get that full of himself, especially at this stage of his career.

[BigAl2526]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

They mentioned Josh Allen a few minutes later, and Schefter clarified that Josh Allen belongs there too, but they were discussing young QB's that came onto the scene firing on all cylinders - whereas Josh was developed into the guy he is now. 

Josh Allen's career trajectory would likely have been far different if he started for three years at a major university like both Hebert and Mahomes, or if he'd had the luxury of sitting behind a quality starter for a year as an NFL rookie like Mahomes.

[78thealltimegreat]

7 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Someone needs to remind Shefter that Mahomes got to sit for an entire year.

Exactly he also had a solidified oline and playmakers all over the place to make his transition to the nfl a little easier… give rookie Patrick Zay Jones, Charles Clay, Robert Foster, and Kelvin Benjamin and see how he does 

[Mrbojanglezs]

Herbert does look good throws a nice ball but Allen gives you a little extra magic 

[Zerovoltz]

1st.  It's kind of a waste of time debating who is the better QB among Mahomes, Allen and a few others.....to do so misses the bigger point which is that the Bills HAVE a franchise level QB capable of winning in the post season, and certainly one more than capable of guiding a team to a championship.  Too wich degree Mahomes, Allen, Russell and others....are the best etc...doesn't matter.  What matters is Teddy Bridgewater isn't your QB.  The Bills will be a contender for as long as Allen is healthy and able....

 

OK....so reading through here....I see a few more posts perpetuating the myth that Mahomes being good was due in some large or small part to "sitting for a year"

 

8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Someone needs to remind Shefter that Mahomes got to sit for an entire year.

 

5 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Appreciate the clarification, but shame on Schefty if so:  Mahomes sat his entire rookie season, then was handed the keys to an offense that was 6th in points, 5th in yards, 7th in passing yards his rookie season (while he sat on the bench and watched Smith run it). 

 

Did KC's offense take a big step forward with Mahomes 2nd season (the first season he played)?  Absolutely!  He was amazing his rookie year! 

 

But we'll never know if he "came onto the scene firing on all cylinders" because he spent his first year in the NFL on the bench.

 

 

The Chiefs keep getting praised for making a big mistake.  By all accounts Mahomes was ready to go by week 6 of his 2017 rookie season.  He would have been fine starting from week 1.

 

If you look at it in reverse....you have to ask....what happend while he sat, that caused him to come and out go 5000/50 in 2018?  the answer is NOTHING.  Are you telling me that had he not sat he'd only have gone 4000/40 in 2018?  That's rubbish.  

 

Some guys.....like Mahomes or Herbert....are ready to go out of the box, and land in good spots with a good roster, good coaches etc...Marino is another...

 

Some guys need time to get used to the NFL speed and learn some.  And Some need to do that AND need the roster around them to improve as they do.  Peyton Manning...Josh Allen come to mind.  

 

I didn't see the Schefter comments, but as it relates to Allen.....does it really matter his rookie year was spend developing with a very bad roster around him?  He is a great QB now.  The roster is better around him now.  He is a contender now.  HE developed EXACTLY like the leadership said he would when he was drafted as a raw, but super tools QB.  

 

Don't worry about Herbert or Mahomes etc....You've got a top tier QB...

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:

The Chiefs keep getting praised for making a big mistake.  By all accounts Mahomes was ready to go by week 6 of his 2017 rookie season.  He would have been fine starting from week 1.

 

If you look at it in reverse....you have to ask....what happend while he sat, that caused him to come and out go 5000/50 in 2018?  the answer is NOTHING.  Are you telling me that had he not sat he'd only have gone 4000/40 in 2018?  That's rubbish. 

 

Well, some people have said that he worked on his game a lot that offseason, and came back a much better QB his 2nd camp.

I don't remember who it was - Chiefs player, seems like more than one.

 

I'll look.

Hmmm....Tyreek Hill for one

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patrick-mahomes-hilariously-reacts-to-tyreek-hill-s-trash-talk-about-him/ar-BB1bz7Wx

 

You sound as though it's incredible to think something took place in the offseason but as Josh said about the 2020 off season "I got a lot better at football"

 

Whether he was ready right out of the gate or not ready right out of the gate, the point is, he didn't get to play right out of the gate so we'll never know if he was or not.

[Zerovoltz]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Well, some people have said that he worked on his game a lot that offseason, and came back a much better QB his 2nd camp.

I don't remember who it was - Chiefs player, seems like more than one.

 

I'll look.

Hmmm....Tyreek Hill for one

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/patrick-mahomes-hilariously-reacts-to-tyreek-hill-s-trash-talk-about-him/ar-BB1bz7Wx

 

You sound as though it's incredible to think something took place in the offseason but as Josh said about the 2020 off season "I got a lot better at football"

I have a hard time believing that Mahomes wouldn't have been at 5000/50 if he had played more in 2017.  

 

I'm not even saying that he couldn't have taken a big leap from 17 to 18....but to say NOT playing in 17 is the reason......if you reversed that....would you say then that if Mhaomes had started the final 8 games of 2017, that he would be worse than 500/50 in 2018?   

[klos63]

9 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

People need to stop declaring bust or HOF on such small sample sizes. Herbert has looked very good but so did Derek Anderson for a year.  Many thought Josh was a bust after year 1. Many think Tua is as well. 

These analysts need to decrease the hyperbole but then again that is what generates clicks now.

People need to stop listening to these people. Also need to stop getting worked up about it. Wasted energy.