billsherd Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 One advantage Chiefs have is the experience in playing in game like this last year and in Superbowl. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Keep Kelce under 90 yards and Bills win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: whoa. They’re really going to try to play man against the Bills? Good luck with that. If they're allowed to hold they'll get away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 23, 2021 Author Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I have seen chiefs fans this week brag about how their defense has been the best against WR’s— I guess least number of yards by WR’s. What do you all make of that? Something about that stat seems fishy LOLOLOL! Well YEAH it's fishy! Receiving yards are receiving yards. When you're facing a team, you shut down its players. Two of the top 10 receivers in the league this year are TE. Who is the Chiefs top receiver - KELCE! I bet the teams that face the Chiefs all pound their chests and say "Kelce hung 159 yards on us, but HOT DAMN we sure did shut down their WR!!!! If receiving yards by TE don't count, I bet the Chiefs previous opponents all want Kelce's 1416 yds and the gains and scores subtracted Ok, well, I guess not. The Chiefs have faced a number of teams with strong receiving TE - Hunter Henry, Mark Andrews, Waller who is top 10 (2x), Gronkowski, Hayden Hurst, even Fant. I suppose their point is to say "see, we're better at shutting down WR so since you don't have a good pass catching TE surrender now", but teams who make the TE an integral part of their passing game pass less to the WR, drrr. And when Gronk is hanging 106 on you it still counts It seems like one of those stats created to make the team look good that may not really mean much 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zerovoltz Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 54 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: LOLOLOL! Well YEAH it's fishy! Receiving yards are receiving yards. When you're facing a team, you shut down its players. Two of the top 10 receivers in the league this year are TE. Who is the Chiefs top receiver - KELCE! I bet the teams that face the Chiefs all pound their chests and say "Kelce hung 159 yards on us, but HOT DAMN we sure did shut down their WR!!!! If receiving yards by TE don't count, I bet the Chiefs previous opponents all want Kelce's 1416 yds and the gains and scores subtracted Ok, well, I guess not. The Chiefs have faced a number of teams with strong receiving TE - Hunter Henry, Mark Andrews, Waller who is top 10 (2x), Gronkowski, Hayden Hurst, even Fant. I suppose their point is to say "see, we're better at shutting down WR so since you don't have a good pass catching TE surrender now", but teams who make the TE an integral part of their passing game pass less to the WR, drrr. And when Gronk is hanging 106 on you it still counts It seems like one of those stats created to make the team look good that may not really mean much The reason why it matters: Buffalo plays more 3 and 4 WR than anyone in the league. If you guys are going to come out in 3 and 4 wide all game, then you allow KC to put it's optimal defense on the field. That matters because KC's linebackers absolutely SUCK in coverage. KC allows a TON of points and stats to TE and pass catching backs.....when they are in base defense....with the 3 linebackers out there. You all might not think so, but part of why Josh struggled VS KC in week 6 is because the Bills don't have a TE threat AND...important AND...not a big time threatening running game..... When the Chiefs aren't worried about a TE or an RB running....they will nickel and dime you to death. It isn't a coincidence that Diggs tied his 2nd lowest number of recpetions and second lowest yardage total on the year VS KC. That's what KC does ......when they can play extra DB's all game long. KC has a slew of really good corners and safeties. it's the main reason why the KC defense is a bad matchup for the Bills. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: The reason why it matters: Buffalo plays more 3 and 4 WR than anyone in the league. If you guys are going to come out in 3 and 4 wide all game, then you allow KC to put it's optimal defense on the field. That matters because KC's linebackers absolutely SUCK in coverage. KC allows a TON of points and stats to TE and pass catching backs.....when they are in base defense....with the 3 linebackers out there. You all might not think so, but part of why Josh struggled VS KC in week 6 is because the Bills don't have a TE threat AND...important AND...not a big time threatening running game..... When the Chiefs aren't worried about a TE or an RB running....they will nickel and dime you to death. It isn't a coincidence that Diggs tied his 2nd lowest number of recpetions and second lowest yardage total on the year VS KC. That's what KC does ......when they can play extra DB's all game long. KC has a slew of really good corners and safeties. it's the main reason why the KC defense is a bad matchup for the Bills. They didn't have much of a problem with Cleveland and Chubb and Hunt. 3 catches for 6 yards total between the two of them. But yes the Browns did get some production from their TEs. Who are good btw. Edited January 23, 2021 by Big Blitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Looking at the Chiefs schedule, they played Watson in week 1 who was beginning life with no Nuke. Other than that they allowed Carr Bridgewater and Brady to light them up. Carr threw for 340 in a win. Curtis Samuel and Robbie Anderson had 18 catches for 163 yards against them. Ryan played with no Julio and took some stupid sacks. So when they see good passing offenses, we've seen they can be thrown on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimmer323i Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I have seen chiefs fans this week brag about how their defense has been the best against WR’s— I guess least number of yards by WR’s. What do you all make of that? Something about that stat seems fishy, but I can’t put my finger on it. If you look at their games, some of the better receivers have had really good games against them (Allen, Ridley). I was checking out some of the Cheifs fan forums last and what a bunch of cocky ignorant #%^holes.... Right now I hate the Cheifs worse than the Patriots 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bimmer323i said: I was checking out some of the Cheifs fan forums last and what a bunch of cocky ignorant #%^holes.... Right now I hate the Cheifs worse than the Patriots The Chiefs have only lost once in their last 6,000 games and have a SB title mixed in there. They have earned the right to be arrogant pricks if they wanna be. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, billsherd said: One advantage Chiefs have is the experience in playing in game like this last year and in Superbowl. lmao I love the insight man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Oh man, 36 hours before game time and the nervous ***** have started. The 90s games were so much easier to handle with a younger stomach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 6 hours ago, billsherd said: One advantage Chiefs have is the experience in playing in game like this last year and in Superbowl. Don’t forget they know the locker rooms better at Arrowhead as well. Huge edge. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 48 minutes ago, eball said: Don’t forget they know the locker rooms better at Arrowhead as well. Huge edge. They got us on the BBQ matchup too. 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 4 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: The reason why it matters: Buffalo plays more 3 and 4 WR than anyone in the league. If you guys are going to come out in 3 and 4 wide all game, then you allow KC to put it's optimal defense on the field. That matters because KC's linebackers absolutely SUCK in coverage. KC allows a TON of points and stats to TE and pass catching backs.....when they are in base defense....with the 3 linebackers out there. You all might not think so, but part of why Josh struggled VS KC in week 6 is because the Bills don't have a TE threat AND...important AND...not a big time threatening running game..... When the Chiefs aren't worried about a TE or an RB running....they will nickel and dime you to death. It isn't a coincidence that Diggs tied his 2nd lowest number of recpetions and second lowest yardage total on the year VS KC. That's what KC does ......when they can play extra DB's all game long. KC has a slew of really good corners and safeties. it's the main reason why the KC defense is a bad matchup for the Bills. First, it would be a mistake to base your analysis of this game based on what happened in week 6. Different team now, and that was a different game. Second, i doubt KC has faced any team with the depth of the Bills WR group. They are 4 deep with guys who can beat you for big plays and play possession as well if you want. That does not even account for MacKenzie who can beat you as a WR or runner. The running backs and tight ends are not high end but can and do make catches. Their strength though is WR as you point out. I like this matchup just fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: The reason why it matters: Buffalo plays more 3 and 4 WR than anyone in the league. If you guys are going to come out in 3 and 4 wide all game, then you allow KC to put it's optimal defense on the field. That matters because KC's linebackers absolutely SUCK in coverage. KC allows a TON of points and stats to TE and pass catching backs.....when they are in base defense....with the 3 linebackers out there. You all might not think so, but part of why Josh struggled VS KC in week 6 is because the Bills don't have a TE threat AND...important AND...not a big time threatening running game..... When the Chiefs aren't worried about a TE or an RB running....they will nickel and dime you to death. It isn't a coincidence that Diggs tied his 2nd lowest number of recpetions and second lowest yardage total on the year VS KC. That's what KC does ......when they can play extra DB's all game long. KC has a slew of really good corners and safeties. it's the main reason why the KC defense is a bad matchup for the Bills. Well Knox didn’t play in week 6. I know we don’t have the same TE production as KC but you should be fair in your analysis. Also, make sure to come in here if the Chiefs lose. You came here really quick last year after the SB win, so you know your way. Edited January 23, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Keep Kelce under 90 yards and Bills win Pretty sure he was held around 70 week 6...... but had 2 TDs. Keep him out of the end zone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 8 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: I have seen chiefs fans this week brag about how their defense has been the best against WR’s— I guess least number of yards by WR’s. What do you all make of that? Something about that stat seems fishy, but I can’t put my finger on it. If you look at their games, some of the better receivers have had really good games against them (Allen, Ridley). Against us week 6, their philosophy was to interfere and play extremely physical with hopes that the refs didn’t throw flags. They’d Esther f grrrrrr ace penalty yards than passing yards 5 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: The reason why it matters: Buffalo plays more 3 and 4 WR than anyone in the league. If you guys are going to come out in 3 and 4 wide all game, then you allow KC to put it's optimal defense on the field. That matters because KC's linebackers absolutely SUCK in coverage. KC allows a TON of points and stats to TE and pass catching backs.....when they are in base defense....with the 3 linebackers out there. You all might not think so, but part of why Josh struggled VS KC in week 6 is because the Bills don't have a TE threat AND...important AND...not a big time threatening running game..... When the Chiefs aren't worried about a TE or an RB running....they will nickel and dime you to death. It isn't a coincidence that Diggs tied his 2nd lowest number of recpetions and second lowest yardage total on the year VS KC. That's what KC does ......when they can play extra DB's all game long. KC has a slew of really good corners and safeties. it's the main reason why the KC defense is a bad matchup for the Bills. Yeah, it isn’t a coincidence because breeland was holding a Diggs the entire game. Got called for 2 PI, should’ve had D multiple holding calls too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 hours ago, njbuff said: The Chiefs have only lost once in their last 6,000 games and have a SB title mixed in there. They have earned the right to be arrogant pricks if they wanna be. This. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Anyone watching nfl network? They are talking about Kelce and they have a three man panel... the one guy (sorry I don’t know his name) said “when you’re #1 corner, Tre white, who is struggling right now, can’t cover the TE”... I rewound it twice to make sure I heard it right that he actually said Tre white and actually meant how he was playing now. What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Anyone watching nfl network? They are talking about Kelce and they have a three man panel... the one guy (sorry I don’t know his name) said “when you’re #1 corner, Tre white, who is struggling right now, can’t cover the TE”... I rewound it twice to make sure I heard it right that he actually said Tre white and actually meant how he was playing now. What? Kelce hasn’t had over 70 yards against the Bills in their last four meetings. I’m not worried about him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Kelce hasn’t had over 70 yards against the Bills in their last four meetings. I’m not worried about him. Good thing you don’t matter. The bills should be worried about him on 3rd down and in the red zone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, CommonCents said: Kelce hasn’t had over 70 yards against the Bills in their last four meetings. I’m not worried about him. He’s a monster but 1) I’m sure they have a good plan for him 2) he will get yards and need to control the RZ, and 3)I’m perplexed on that Tre white analysis. Do they even know he is? I’m not sure which film they have pulled since about week 7 to say hes struggling and they definitely said “right now” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritBill Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Regarding Mahomes, had there ever been a QB with such a large mince to talent ratio? If the Bills weren’t playing in this game I wouldn’t watch it as I can’t be doing with watching Mahomes prance around like Liberace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Ballin Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Like I mentioned in my previous post, the talking heads continue to massively diss our defense. They're gonna f*ckin' pay for this. Can't even get Tre White right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a monster but 1) I’m sure they have a good plan for him 2) he will get yards and need to control the RZ, and 3)I’m perplexed on that Tre white analysis. Do they even know he is? I’m not sure which film they have pulled since about week 7 to say hes struggling and they definitely said “right now” That is an odd thing for them to say. His play only got better as the year went on. Whatever plan they used with Kelce works, having two of the best safeties in the league helps with that. KC hasn’t scored over 24 in their last 4 games. The Bills D is much improved since week 6, I like this matchup more than the first two games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruiserplayer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Anyone watching nfl network? They are talking about Kelce and they have a three man panel... the one guy (sorry I don’t know his name) said “when you’re #1 corner, Tre white, who is struggling right now, can’t cover the TE”... I rewound it twice to make sure I heard it right that he actually said Tre white and actually meant how he was playing now. What? I heard that mentioned earlier this week. SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 If the bills win next week, I’m requesting multiple game threads. We need a spot where people can rant/discuss about what some talking-head spewed about the bills and not bury the stats, updates and good film breakdowns. FWIW...I totally get the reaction and desire to want to post about what you heard on NFLN or some guys opinion from a podcast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 Apologize for repeating myself, but if mahomes is even a tiny bit slower due to being nicked up, will Hughes be his worst nightmare. Jerry has his eyes on the prize. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: If the bills win next week, I’m requesting multiple game threads. We need a spot where people can rant/discuss about what some talking-head spewed about the bills and not bury the stats, updates and good film breakdowns. FWIW...I totally get the reaction and desire to want to post about what you heard on NFLN or some guys opinion from a podcast. That’s a good idea!! 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 24 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Anyone watching nfl network? They are talking about Kelce and they have a three man panel... the one guy (sorry I don’t know his name) said “when you’re #1 corner, Tre white, who is struggling right now, can’t cover the TE”... I rewound it twice to make sure I heard it right that he actually said Tre white and actually meant how he was playing now. What? I guess we are at an impasse. Have you ever heard of Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, yes, MORONS. what was that guy talking about with Tre and a bad year. When we played them in week 6 which kind of means nothing as we were both two different teams, but Tre was still not at 100% with his neck/back. He played, but Kelse didn’t burn him all day. Sometimes NFLN is as bad as the other four letter word, yes, ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 I swear half of what they say on the networks is just scripted. Half these guys probly know how good the bills are but are just reading the script Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a monster but 1) I’m sure they have a good plan for him 2) he will get yards and need to control the RZ, and 3)I’m perplexed on that Tre white analysis. Do they even know he is? I’m not sure which film they have pulled since about week 7 to say hes struggling and they definitely said “right now” I think they’re referring to the last two games where White got mixed up in coverage against the Colts, lost his man and gave up a chunk play. Marquise Brown got behind him once for a long catch. And I think two more times in that game for would be touchdown bombs that each time were overthrown. Definitely Huntley just missed a bomb in the middle of the 4th where Tre White got smoked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Warcodered said: That was the best analysis I've seen. Someone with an understanding of what pieces the Bills were missing that first game (first person this week I've seen mention Allen's shoulder), but who actually watched other games and had perspective on what the Bills became as the season continued. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think they’re referring to the last two games where White got mixed up in coverage against the Colts, lost his man and gave up a chunk play. Marquise Brown got behind him once for a long catch. And I think two more times in that game for would be touchdown bombs that each time were overthrown. Definitely Huntley just missed a bomb in the middle of the 4th where Tre White got smoked. Tre bit on an out and up on 4th and long up 14 late in the game with a QB playing for the first time in the NFL. He probably thought there was zero chance of that route in that situation. It’s not something that would ever happen with Mahomes playing or at any point in a tight game. Smoked? Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 10 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: I think they’re referring to the last two games where White got mixed up in coverage against the Colts, lost his man and gave up a chunk play. Marquise Brown got behind him once for a long catch. And I think two more times in that game for would be touchdown bombs that each time were overthrown. Definitely Huntley just missed a bomb in the middle of the 4th where Tre White got smoked. I hear ya, but Tre maybe thought “if this rook can make that throw, good for him, nobody else has tonight.”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blank Stare Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 40 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s a monster but 1) I’m sure they have a good plan for him 2) he will get yards and need to control the RZ, and 3)I’m perplexed on that Tre white analysis. Do they even know he is? I’m not sure which film they have pulled since about week 7 to say hes struggling and they definitely said “right now” They probably think Tre is struggling because he bit hard on that double move late in the game against Hollywood Brown who would’ve scored if completed. 🙄 But yes, dumb comment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 18 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: That’s a good idea!! Emotional, I remember SDS said in a previous post on another thread he was thinking of having one thread where every talking heads take is in one thread. I love the idea. Close them down as soon as they open for all the one offs. I don’t mind guys putting good or bad takes on the Bills to light, but how about we don’t have 47 threads for every yahoo who says this or that. Please title it Talking Heads. I hope it’s a mod who starts it so everyone can have a nice forum and keep together. If we win tomorrow, there will be over 100 different pundits giving their hot takes. It actually would be fun. Yolo, you have the juice, as Picard used to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 yea it is insanely laughable that people criticize CB/DBs..... tre is a great player. it also needs to come into focus that hes not a darelle revis or deion sanders - both are man to man corners......we run a ZONE pass d. tre is a great Zone DB. its apples and oranges. does that mean he doesnt play man to man well? no of course not but they dont ask their corners to do that alot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fergie's ire Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Tre bit on an out and up on 4th and long up 14 late in the game with a QB playing for the first time in the NFL. He probably thought there was zero chance of that route in that situation. It’s not something that would ever happen with Mahomes playing or at any point in a tight game. Smoked? Lol. Yes, and I don't remember what game it was earlier in the year, but I seem to remember that Tre did something similar late in the game figuring they NEEDED the sure play. He jumped the route and didn't worry about being beat over the top and picked off a pass. It runs contrary to the prevent defense strategy...but I like it and particularly with the wind, he knew that the deep route would be high risk. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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