Would you be cool if the Bills traded Tre White for a big trade package like the Jets got for Adams?

[PetermansRedemption]

39 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

Diggs and Edmunds are up there for me. 

 

Diggs is a proven, top 10 caliber WR, who will be in his prime for years to come.  He also plays a premium position and there's no guarantee 2-1sts get you a Diggs.

 

Edmunds is a bit different as a LB... but i truly think he could be transcendent once it all clicks... What he can bring to the defense at his size and speed is absurd.  In passing downs the guy can either rush the passer or drop and basically take away the entire middle of the field.

They were definitely on my radar as well. I wouldn’t do either of them for late 1sts for sure. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, Estro said:

Its always stuck with me that one of McDermotts first decisions with the Bills was to let Stephon Gilmorexwalk in FA.  As far as I understand the Bills didn't even extend an offer to Gilmore, and then they used their 1st tound pick that yr to srlect White.

 

As far as letting Gilmore go, I'm no Technical X's and O's expert, but would Gilmore have been an ideal fit in McD's defense?  It seems NE plays a different defense than we do.  So that may have been why.  Seems like that's always and issue with changing staff's too many players don't fit the scheme and you end up half or completely starting over.

[Logic]

11 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said:

He's a zone corner, a good player, but still a zone corner.   I'd take two first rounders for him but only when his contract is up

 

This is vastly understating Tre’s abilities. 

 

He he is NOT “just” a zone corner.

[Victory Formation]

I think $20M for an All-Pro CB is a fair deal. Tre probably won us two games last year alone. I think QB, DE and CB are probably the three positions I’m okay with spending that kind of money on.. Maybe WR if he is truly elite.. He practically shuts down his side of the field, good character guy, never causes any problems... he’s probably my favorite player on the team not named Josh Allen..

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Chuckie and Davis showing signs they might part with NPeterman, if the price is right?  ?

[Logic]

Disgruntled Glorified linebacker? Sure. Trade him for picks.

 

Model teammate, All-Pro corner? No. Do not trade that man.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

2 hours ago, Just Joshin' said:

Agree - being the Jets is not a good strategy.  The Bills are on a path with a proven strategy - why deviate?

Well the stated strategy is to draft well and sign your own that pan out. We have yet to see them accomplish this.  They now have the opportunity with Tre, Dawkins, and Milano.

And there is no proof that that strategy even works.  The only strategy that consistently works is to find a franchise QB at all/any cost. And the jury is still out on Allen.

[LABILLBACKER]

No...there will come a time when the Bill's will have to pay their better players. Guys like White and Edmunds have way too much upside to let walk. And yes I know the Allen contract looms. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Do they plan on extending him for top corner money? Isn’t that the real question? 
 

Carolina let Norman walk for big money don’t recall if they tried to make a competitive offer and for whatever reason, guys that were average to less than elsewhere have been very good in this defense. 
 

personally I like having the guy around for more than just his play, but it’s not going to be cheap, and there are bound to be other suitors.

[machine gun kelly]

40 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

If the Bills did anything, they should give him a new contract now, with added bonuses to this year, to compensate him for the added risk in playing & to encourage him to play.

That's what you do with one of your best players. You don't trade him (like the Jests would), while Tre is on the fence about opting out. Seems to me that trading Tre would be antithetical to how Beane operates... even just thinking about it seems backwards, but jmo.

Brian, it’s a bad policy no matter how good the guy has performed to extend a three year player.  You wait til year four.  Not sure why it’s floated the $20 mil. thing as most estimate $18 mil. Next year.  This among other reasons of the dumpster fire why they let Adams go.  They picked up a haul and they are a mess.  We are three years into a rebuild, and made the playoffs two of the last three years, and have a team going deep.

[Ya Digg?]

I can’t believe this is being discussed AND to this length!! Moves like this is what the old Bills would attempt to do and what this board would kill them over! We finally have that young superstar and now people want to trade him for draft picks? 
 

People need to get over this idea that the Bills are only going to be able to pay 1 guy top dollar-look at the really successful franchises, they have paid multiple guys a lot of money. Paying Tre does not mean you won’t have enough money to sign any other guys, and saying he should be traded is just a ridiculous statement. The Bills finally have something positive going and some of you are ready to start all over.

 

you know who trades away a top corner for a couple of picks? The Jags-do you really want this team to look like the Jags?

[billsfan89]

3 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

If the Bills did anything, they should give him a new contract now, with added bonuses to this year, to compensate him for the added risk in playing & to encourage him to play.

That's what you do with one of your best players. You don't trade him (like the Jests would), while Tre is on the fence about opting out. Seems to me that trading Tre would be antithetical to how Beane operates... even just thinking about it seems backwards, but jmo.

 

The Jets weren't a Jamal Adams away from competing in the next 2-3 seasons. Those picks and the cap relief of not having to sign Adams to a deal are of much more value to them. The Bills are a Tre White away from contending in the next 2-3 years. The secondary is heavily anchored by Tre and even if the Bills hauled in two first round picks and a second round pick along with a decent player for Tre it still would hold less value for the Bills over the next 2-3 years.

 

Yes long term in a 4-7 year time frame could the Bills get more value out of 3 premium draft picks and the cap space from Tre? Arguably yes (Most player for picks trades usually look better long term for the team that gets the picks), but your window to contend in the NFL is short and losing your best defensive player almost no matter what the return hurts your team's ability to contend and sets you back from winning while you have as complete a team as possible. 

 

I also think the message you send to the team by trading away a leader almost certainly helps tank your season. Tre was literally the first player drafted by McD and he has been an All-Pro. You have to send a message to your team you are willing to take care of your own. Tre is also a super great guy who you feel comfortable handling a big contract and his play on the field more than justifies it.

 

That's why the Diggs trade makes sense for the Bills given the window to win. The Bills might have been better served long term by having drafted a WR who would be in team control for 5 years with that pick and have some more sort term cap space. But Diggs makes an impact from day one and maximizes the team's window to win the next 2-3 seasons in a way a rookie most likely wouldn't have. Time tables matter.

42 minutes ago, Logic said:

Disgruntled Glorified linebacker? Sure. Trade him for picks.

 

Model teammate, All-Pro corner? No. Do not trade that man.

 

Even if Adams was as good as Tre on the field the Jets were better off trading him because they aren't going anywhere the next 2 years anyway. Adams no matter how good he was isn't the difference between the Jets contending and the Jets not contending. If you are at least a year or two away getting two first round picks and cap relief is insanely good for them at their point of rebuilding. The Bills on the other hand are a Tre White away from competing. The Bills need Tre to maximize a window to win in the next 2-3 seasons. Whereas had the Jets kept Adams they wouldn't see a window to really win with him until he was on a big contract in his late 20's. 

[GoBills808]

3 hours ago, Estro said:

Its always stuck with me that one of McDermotts first decisions with the Bills was to let Stephon Gilmorexwalk in FA.  As far as I understand the Bills didn't even extend an offer to Gilmore, and then they used their 1st tound pick that yr to srlect White.  I always thought that McDermott might be a coach who doesn't like to overpay at the CB position as his defenses seem yo perform well without having lock down CB's.

 

It would definitely hurt to lose a player of Whites caliber short term, but what if the Bills could return a bounty like the Jets got for Adams.  IMO, White is a more valuable player than Adams so I don't think a similar trade package is crazy.

 

Like I said White is a great player, but hes also going to command about $20M a yr. soon.......and I just don't think its good business to spend that type of money on any 1 player, outside of a good QB.  Id much rather have the $20M in cap space plus two 1st rounders, plus an avg. starting CB if a trade were to go down.

 

I have a feeling it won't be well received on this forum, but I think it'd be a smart move.  I think the Bills would still have a really good roster and with the extra cap space (by not signing White) and the extra draft capital (two 1st round picks) would be a lot more valuable than just 1 CB in Tre White.

McDermott has always had a top tier CB in his defenses. They're not trading White

[Kwai San]

No Bueno!  I would def not do this no matter any of the arguments for.  Just not good football management.  Thankfully the Bills have a trustable brain trust in place right now.  They have yet to do anything that made me think Wholly Crap thats a bad move..........yet.

[dollars 2 donuts]

No.  He is a champion who who just doesn't have the hardware yet and we are stronger with him and his character than speculation of what we may get down the road.

 

 

[Buffalo Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, Estro said:

Its always stuck with me that one of McDermotts first decisions with the Bills was to let Stephon Gilmorexwalk in FA.  As far as I understand the Bills didn't even extend an offer to Gilmore, and then they used their 1st tound pick that yr to srlect White.  I always thought that McDermott might be a coach who doesn't like to overpay at the CB position as his defenses seem yo perform well without having lock down CB's.

 

It would definitely hurt to lose a player of Whites caliber short term, but what if the Bills could return a bounty like the Jets got for Adams.  IMO, White is a more valuable player than Adams so I don't think a similar trade package is crazy.

 

Like I said White is a great player, but hes also going to command about $20M a yr. soon.......and I just don't think its good business to spend that type of money on any 1 player, outside of a good QB.  Id much rather have the $20M in cap space plus two 1st rounders, plus an avg. starting CB if a trade were to go down.

 

I have a feeling it won't be well received on this forum, but I think it'd be a smart move.  I think the Bills would still have a really good roster and with the extra cap space (by not signing White) and the extra draft capital (two 1st round picks) would be a lot more valuable than just 1 CB in Tre White.

 

No 

[Chandler#81]

Cool? 

I’ll let you know in 40 minutes..

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

As far as letting Gilmore go, I'm no Technical X's and O's expert, but would Gilmore have been an ideal fit in McD's defense?  It seems NE plays a different defense than we do.  So that may have been why.  Seems like that's always and issue with changing staff's too many players don't fit the scheme and you end up half or completely starting over.

 

Buffalo didn't tag him, and didn't want to make him the highest paid CB.  At that time he'd made 1 pro bowl.  Hindsight it would've been nice to tag him and trade him - especially if the plan was to tear the team down to the studs and eat dead money anyway

[BillsfaninSB]

15 minutes ago, dneveu said:

 

Buffalo didn't tag him, and didn't want to make him the highest paid CB.  At that time he'd made 1 pro bowl.  Hindsight it would've been nice to tag him and trade him - especially if the plan was to tear the team down to the studs and eat dead money anyway

This was the Bills biggest mistake....not tag and trade.  Look what the Jags got for Ramsey.   They would have had the draft capital to get Mahomes and White.

[brianthomas]

2 hours ago, billsfan89 said:

 

The Jets weren't a Jamal Adams away from competing in the next 2-3 seasons. Those picks and the cap relief of not having to sign Adams to a deal are of much more value to them. The Bills are a Tre White away from contending in the next 2-3 years. The secondary is heavily anchored by Tre and even if the Bills hauled in two first round picks and a second round pick along with a decent player for Tre it still would hold less value for the Bills over the next 2-3 years.

 

Yes long term in a 4-7 year time frame could the Bills get more value out of 3 premium draft picks and the cap space from Tre? Arguably yes (Most player for picks trades usually look better long term for the team that gets the picks), but your window to contend in the NFL is short and losing your best defensive player almost no matter what the return hurts your team's ability to contend and sets you back from winning while you have as complete a team as possible. 

 

I also think the message you send to the team by trading away a leader almost certainly helps tank your season. Tre was literally the first player drafted by McD and he has been an All-Pro. You have to send a message to your team you are willing to take care of your own. Tre is also a super great guy who you feel comfortable handling a big contract and his play on the field more than justifies it.

 

That's why the Diggs trade makes sense for the Bills given the window to win. The Bills might have been better served long term by having drafted a WR who would be in team control for 5 years with that pick and have some more sort term cap space. But Diggs makes an impact from day one and maximizes the team's window to win the next 2-3 seasons in a way a rookie most likely wouldn't have. Time tables matter.

 

Even if Adams was as good as Tre on the field the Jets were better off trading him because they aren't going anywhere the next 2 years anyway. Adams no matter how good he was isn't the difference between the Jets contending and the Jets not contending. If you are at least a year or two away getting two first round picks and cap relief is insanely good for them at their point of rebuilding. The Bills on the other hand are a Tre White away from competing. The Bills need Tre to maximize a window to win in the next 2-3 seasons. Whereas had the Jets kept Adams they wouldn't see a window to really win with him until he was on a big contract in his late 20's. 

I'm confused, i said we shouldnt trade Tre & if we did anything we should extend him. Idk why you wrote me a huge post countering me while agreeing with me lol

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

26 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

This was the Bills biggest mistake....not tag and trade.  Look what the Jags got for Ramsey.   They would have had the draft capital to get Mahomes and White.

 

Yeah - i think beane would have.  But McD and Whaley were in charge at that point.  I'm not sure they had a real cohesive strategy.  

[Pokebball]

No

[NoHuddleKelly12]

Whew! as of 4:00 p.m., this thread has officially not aged well. 

[machine gun kelly]

Ok, done.

[NewEra]

No.  I would not be cool with that.  He’s better than Jamal Adams.  He plays a more important position than Jamal Adams.  He loves his team, unlike Jamal Adams.  He can also play goalie for the sabres if need be.  
 

I’ll be disappointed if Tre isn’t a Bill for the next 5-6 years, at least.  Preferably his career 

[billsfan89]

31 minutes ago, brianthomas said:

I'm confused, i said we shouldnt trade Tre & if we did anything we should extend him. Idk why you wrote me a huge post countering me while agreeing with me lol

 

I was fully agreeing, kind of confusing as to how I wrote it. This team's window to win in the next 2-3 years. Tre helps this team win the next 3 seasons far more than 2 first round picks and a second round pick would. Whereas even if Adams was as good as Tre the Jets are several years away from contending with or without him. The draft picks and cap space better fit the Jets window of building a team. 

 

Simply put the Jets are kind of where the Bills were in 2017 if they had Josh that year hypothetically. If the Bills had a disgruntled Tre in 2017 it would probably make sense to trade him and facilitate a rebuild long term as if you are 2-3 years away might as well take the cost controlled picks. I also think given that Tre is a model citizen and an All-Pro you take care of him as it is best for the team long and short term. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

No

[ColoradoBills]

Can we end this thread now?

[brianthomas]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

I was fully agreeing, kind of confusing as to how I wrote it. This team's window to win in the next 2-3 years. Tre helps this team win the next 3 seasons far more than 2 first round picks and a second round pick would. Whereas even if Adams was as good as Tre the Jets are several years away from contending with or without him. The draft picks and cap space better fit the Jets window of building a team. 

 

Simply put the Jets are kind of where the Bills were in 2017 if they had Josh that year hypothetically. If the Bills had a disgruntled Tre in 2017 it would probably make sense to trade him and facilitate a rebuild long term as if you are 2-3 years away might as well take the cost controlled picks. I also think given that Tre is a model citizen and an All-Pro you take care of him as it is best for the team long and short term. 

yep agree on everything u said wholeheartedly... why i was so confused lol.

Only caveat to the comparison of where the Jets are in relation to where we were is that they still have Adam Gase as their HC. But their GM Douglas seems to be better than his predecessor (but that isn't too difficult to achieve) haha

1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said:

Can we end this thread now?

hopefully we close all of these Tre threads

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

Can we end this thread now?

[foreboding]

Hell no. Tre is awesome and needs to be a part of this team for a decade.

[machine gun kelly]

24 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

Ok, done.

meaning he’s not leaving, opting out, or any other silliness if I wasn’t clear.  Sorry.

[DocLawless]

Yes, please trade ASAP.

[BullBuchanan]

As much as I like Tre, in a heartbeat - yes I would. Tre White is probably going to command a $20M + deal. Like other deals that big, Dareus, Mack, Donald it's almost impossible to ever get them to ever live up to the expectations of the deal. No player, even a great one, is going to be there for you play after play year after year. The opportunity cost you give up by having cap hits like that on your roster just kills your flexibility. You need to get super lucky with all-pro talent on super cheap deals in order to sustain any kind of success.

If we can get two firsts and a starting caliber CB from a team that isn't certain to be good, I would do it.

[TigerJ]

Not OK with it at this point in the Bills' history.  The Bills are perhaps on the cusp of being a great team.  If one thought they were 2 or 3 years away from greatness, then fine, make the trade.  You'll possibly be better for it in the future.  For the Bills, the future is now.  The Bills have a solid overall team, but they need White's shutdown abilities on one side of their defense to maintain their quality on that side of the ball.  The Jets are in a completely different place..  

[SCBills]

3 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

Not OK with it at this point in the Bills' history.  The Bills are perhaps on the cusp of being a great team.  If one thought they were 2 or 3 years away from greatness, then fine, make the trade.  You'll possibly be better for it in the future.  For the Bills, the future is now.  The Bills have a solid overall team, but they need White's shutdown abilities on one side of their defense to maintain their quality on that side of the ball.  The Jets are in a completely different place..  

 

For me it’s more about asset allocation in McDermott’s scheme.   For most teams, trading Tre White would be absurd, but McDermott always has strong defenses and doesn’t usually need a premier corner to do so.  
 

That said, no, I don’t want to trade him, but I do think it’s an interesting question based on McD’s defensive scheme. 

[Hampton Josh fan]

Tre is arguably our best player. These generational superstars must be retained if for no other reason to show potential free agents how we value our productive talent. Tre is a career Bill.

[DCbillsfan]

No.  Tre White is a stud.  You don't get rid of guys like him.

 

The Jets got 2 first round picks for Adams who is a stud.  If the Jets bomb on those 2 first rounders, which is quite possible, this trade will be terrible for them.  I know there's more to the trade but this was the crux of the trade.

Edited August 6, 2020 by DCbillsfan

[Warcodered]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

For me it’s more about asset allocation in McDermott’s scheme.   For most teams, trading Tre White would be absurd, but McDermott always has strong defenses and doesn’t usually need a premier corner to do so.  
 

That said, no, I don’t want to trade him, but I do think it’s an interesting question based on McD’s defensive scheme. 

I mean it is a legitimate debate about where you put your cap space. Everyone loves Tre and he's a great player but I would say McDermott is good at coaching up DBs still I don't know ***** I'll just trust McDermott and Beane.

Edited August 6, 2020 by Warcodered

[PromoTheRobot]

Are we still taking bids on Tre?