What would an “All In” move be to you?

[PIZ]

4 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

George? You think he has anything left? Will he stay motivated after selling his tequila business? Would we have to move training camp to Lake Como? I doubt that’s wise for this season. 

Yes. Someone posted a pic of him in his leather helmet. Looked like a beast. Would be a nice addition. 

[Augie]

1 minute ago, PIZ said:

Yes. Someone posted a pic of him in his leather helmet. Looked like a beast. Would be a nice addition. 

 

He is one handsome dude!   

 

Hard to tell the two of us apart! 

[Estro]

The all in move will likely come during the season if the Bill's record is looking good come mid October.

 

I think there will be some interesting names to be had before the trade deadline this season, especially with teams that have crappy records and might be looking to tank for Trevor.

 

These aren't necessarily players I think the Bills would be interested in, but players like:

 

Christian McCaffrey

Julio Jones

Julian Edelman

Jamal Adams

Stephon Gilmore

DJ Moore 

 

I believe might be available for the right price.  And one last name, and this one gets to your question:

 

Khalil Mack

 

Imagine a pre Halloween trade for one of the best DE's in the game, for a contract, that in a year or 2 is actually going to look well below market.  I've always had a gut feeling Khalil Mack will end his career in Buffalo, that said, the dead money he'd leave behind for the Bears in a trade probably doesn't make him moveable until a year or 2 from now, at the soonest. 

[Rc2catch]

54 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Kalil Mack. 13 mil this year and 17 mil next year (base salary) are more palatable now that Lawson and Phillips each got 10 mil a year.

Not sure what portion of the signing bonus or salary Chicago would eat.

 

He is 28-29, loves Buffalo, adds the Pass rush difference maker and has a favorable out in 2022, when JA needs to be extended.

 

Would rather have him than Ngouke or Clowney.

I would gladly give next years first and this years second to land Mack in a bills uniform. 
Problem is for some reason Chicago thinks they’re in the same window to win now. Maybe mid season if they flop he’ll become available and be for much less compensation. 

[RocCityRoller]

35 minutes ago, Estro said:

I believe might be available for the right price.  And one last name, and this one gets to your question:

 

Khalil Mack

 

Imagine a pre Halloween trade for one of the best DE's in the game, for a contract, that in a year or 2 is actually going to look well below market.  I've always had a gut feeling Khalil Mack will end his career in Buffalo, that said, the dead money he'd leave behind for the Bears in a trade probably doesn't make him moveable until a year or 2 from now, at the soonest. 

 

34 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I would gladly give next years first and this years second to land Mack in a bills uniform. 
Problem is for some reason Chicago thinks they’re in the same window to win now. Maybe mid season if they flop he’ll become available and be for much less compensation. 

Kalil Mack to Buffalo for a SB run just feels like good karma, doesn't it?

[Ethan in Cleveland]

Trade this year's 2 and next years 1 for Khalil Mack.  

[RocCityRoller]

4 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Trade this year's 2 and next years 1 for Khalil Mack.  

 

I can live with missing out on Fowler/ Armstead/ Lloyd, letting Lawson and Phillips go, not going balls in on Clowney or Ngouke if we get the Mack Attack in town!

 

Diggs, Maddison AND Mack. Now we're talking SB!!! Do it when your QB is on his rookie contract.

 

PUSH THE CHIPS IN

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Cam Newton if he gets released to give us a plan B and also a backup that can run the same offense Incase of injury 

[Sherlock Holmes]

6 hours ago, Virgil said:

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

Doing whatever is necessary to secure McCaffrey and TJ Watt

[Wizard]

We trade the rest of our 2020 draft picks and our 1st in 2021 for Christian McCaffrey.

 

Carolina is in a complete rebuild and gets like 7-8 picks, and we get a #1 receiver/#1 running back that allows Allen to manage the game with handoffs and short passes that lead to chunk yards.

 

 

 

 

[BobbyC81]

7 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Virgil I like the way you think. Clowney on a 4 year deal and draft Jonathan Taylor @ 54. Immediately we become one of the top 5 teams in the NFL.

Quit Clowney-ing around!   He’s overrated.  

[Rochesterfan]

7 hours ago, Utah John said:

I don't really want the Bills to go all in on a single year.  I really like McBeane's approach, to build a sustainable structure that dominates and becomes a long-term magnet for talent.  I would not be surprised if Beane has a 5 year plan, for how he'll handle future player staffing to remain OK with the salary cap throughout.  Going all-in is sexy and all, but every decision needs to be evaluated in terms of this year and subsequent years.

 

This is not the year, anyway, with the AFCE playing the AFCW and NFCW.  Too much travel.  No AFCE team will have a great record, good enough for a first round bye, and I would be surprised if any wild card teams come from the AFCE.  I think the Bills win the AFCE and make it to the AFC championship game, where they'll lose in KC.  2021 will be the year of the great record, and the SB, I think.

 

This ⬆️ - do not go all in like the Rams did because you end up in a bad place quickly.

 

The Bills need to keep adding and building the team consistently and that will allow them to continue to be good even after you pay guys like Tre White and Allen.

 

You go all in and then get one big injury -a la Gurley in LA - and everything falls apart super quick. Chicago tried going all in with Mack and that trade has not worked out either. 
 

 

[GreggTX]

Scherff and Clowney and Tannehill.

[BillsFan17]

Trading for Stefon Diggs... oh wait...

[Chandler#81]

5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

Trade this year's 2 and next years 1 for Khalil Mack.  

 

This, in addition to already adding Stefon Diggs. Make this happen and we’re odds on favorite for the Super Bowl.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

 

we did, it was Stefon Diggs

 

 

[Aireskoi]

Trent Williams would be the move for me.

 

9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

He is one handsome dude!   

 

Hard to tell the two of us apart! 

 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

AB and Brady.  Bills give up draft picks through 2024.

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As a consequence, EMTs within 50 kilometres of me race to my location with a coat with extremely long sleeves.  ?

[H2o]

13 hours ago, Virgil said:

With Brady leaving, the Jets and Dolphins figuring things out, and two years until we have to pay Josh, what would be your ideal ”All in” front office move to take advantage of these next two years?

The Hooper thing still bothers me as I think we’d have the best offensive weapons in the league and be almost indefensible.  
 

I definitely want a RB in rounds 2 or 3, especially if it’s one of the top 3 guys. 
 

I don’t have a great feeling about Yannick or Clowney, but I think they respect they’d command would make our defense terrifying.
 

Of the two, I’d prefer Clowney because he can “technically” drop back into coverage and wouldn’t require giving up a pick.  
 

Either way, I’d do a heavily front loaded deal for the first two years that either gives us an out or drops the salary dramatically.  
 

A part of me really wishes we got a Diggs for a second, because I’d really love to be able to trade up for Simmons.  
 

What’s your “All In?”

I'm glad we didn't invest in the fool's gold that is Hooper. Making him the highest paid TE was one of the most idiotic signings in FA(just my 2), especially considering there are at least 3-5 TE's who are currently better than him right now. It was a Browns type of move for sure. 

 

If we sign Gordon I don't see us taking a RB except maybe on a late round flier. If not I believe it is definitely in play for day 2 of the draft. 

 

If we are going to get a DE, I would want Clowney over Ngakoue and on a 1-2 year deal. I'm not sending a pick to the Jags and then having to negotiate with a guy who believes he should be getting $20,000,000-$22,000,000 a year like he is the best DE/Edge Rusher in the league right now. He's not. If we made that move I would bang my head against a wall. If we got Clowney, saying if he chose to sign a short term deal here, I believe that would signal the FO was going all in on this year.

 

Even still I think us ponying up for Diggs is a sign of what this organization is hoping to accomplish. Brady is gone, the Jets are the Jets with Adam Gase at the helm (insert floating taco gif), and the Dolphins have A LOT of new pieces they are going to try to fit together. We have our entire starting offense intact from last year (I count Singletary as the starter) plus we added Stefon Diggs. On defense we have a bunch of new pieces, but the main 4 they signed already know the defensive scheme so there is no learning curve. If we can stay healthy, and if Josh takes a similar step forward in year three comparable to the progress he showed in year two, then there is absolutely no reason this team should not be right there at least in the AFC Title game. We have a good team folks and our success is not a flash in the pan. 

[Victory Formation]

I think if the Bills somehow managed to land Jonathan Taylor or JK Dobbins that would be an all in move to me. At that point we’d be loaded at every position and would simply have to draft for depth. But to be honest, I think trading for Stefon Diggs is about the closest thing you can get to an all in move. Bills now boast a top 10 WR unit. Diggs is a true #1, Brown and Beasley will now face 1 on 1 coverages and defenses will not be able to stack the box against Singletary. If you include a potentially elite RB like Taylor or Dobbins, Buffalo should have a top 10 offense so long as Allen continues to grow. But Stefon Diggs was our “all in” move.

[Magox]

There are different kinds of “all-in” approaches.  I will give it a stab of what a Beane all-in would look from this juncture.

 

To be clear I believe we already made our all-in choice with the Diggs trade.   He instantly changes this offense for the better.

 

Defensive end - With the Addison move, we now have two quality pass rushers at that position and quality depth behind them.   I don’t foresee any splash moves there.

 

Defensive tackle - With the moves they have made and Phillips returning and with the expected improvement from Oliver I don’t see anything there.

 

Linebackers - considering we have Milano and Edmunds and the off season moves we have made I don’t expect any big moves there.

 

DB’s -  We already have good players here, just a little added depth is needed.

 

QB - nothing here needed

 

WR’s - we already made our move with Diggs

 

Fullback-  I don’t think there is a such thing as a splash FB move.  But an upgrade is possible

Tight end-  With Kroft emerging and Sweeney showing promise and the restructuring of Kroft who I believe they want to give a true opportunity I don’t believe this is a likely area that they look to make a splash move.  Not out of the realm of possibility but not a likelihood.

 

Offensive Line -   This could be an area where the Bills make a move for a higher end lineman.  So I think this position is a candidate.

 

Runningback-  This would be an area that they could make a splash move even though I think the draft is where they go.

 

in short, I think the Bills are looking really good going into the season provided Allen continues his upward trajectory.    If they do make a splash move from here I think it would be an offensive lineman.

[Virgil]

49 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I think if the Bills somehow managed to land Jonathan Taylor or JK Dobbins that would be an all in move to me. At that point we’d be loaded at every position and would simply have to draft for depth. But to be honest, I think trading for Stefon Diggs is about the closest thing you can get to an all in move. Bills now boast a top 10 WR unit. Diggs is a true #1, Brown and Beasley will now face 1 on 1 coverages and defenses will not be able to stack the box against Singletary. If you include a potentially elite RB like Taylor or Dobbins, Buffalo should have a top 10 offense so long as Allen continues to grow. But Stefon Diggs was our “all in” move.

Two thoughts on this.  
 

I’d argue we have a top 3 receiving core now. I have a hard time actually thinking who has better, but I’m not going to say it’s the best.  
 

I also want a stud RB and one of the top 3 guys, but I also want Singletary to remain the starter.  I worry about a true split of the load.  But maybe I’m old fashioned and that doesn’t matter anymore.  I think about the Saints with Kamara and Ingram.  It was great for a bit, but only last so long 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, Virgil said:

Two thoughts on this.  
 

I’d argue we have a top 3 receiving core now. I have a hard time actually thinking who has better, but I’m not going to say it’s the best.  
 

I also want a stud RB and one of the top 3 guys, but I also want Singletary to remain the starter.  I worry about a true split of the load.  But maybe I’m old fashioned and that doesn’t matter anymore.  I think about the Saints with Kamara and Ingram.  It was great for a bit, but only last so long 

Top 3? You think so? Perhaps.

 

As far as RB goes, you give Singletary his carries, but the problem we had last year was our offense was stagnant when Gore and Yeldon were in there. There’s plenty of carries for a second back. 

[Buffalo03]

I do still feel like one more big move is needed. Not someone that's gonna break the bank but a good RB or another good player. What would it take to get Leonard Fournette out of Jacksonville?

Edited March 19, 2020 by Buffalo03

[hjnick]

13 hours ago, offyourocker said:

Problem is that he wants 20 mil a year

I talked about this in another thread.  I wouldn't pay Clowney straight up 20Mil/yr.  I would pay him a base of 10-12Mil and give him incentives to get up to 18-20MIL.

 

If the dude produces... I'd pay him.  Good for the Bills and good for him to make those incentives.

[ogham26]

Get clowney on a 1 year 14-15 million deal.  no interest in keeping him after that but would allow for that 2nd round pick to be a CB or offensive playmaker.

[ndirish1978]

Trade for Ngakoue. Sign Freeman as RB2. The biggest hole on this roster is RT and I'm hoping Ford turns into less of a mess than he was last year. You could draft a RT, but I dunno that you'd be getting a better on the field product and we just invested a 2nd rounder on Ford, so I don't see that position changing. We absolutely need to sign a better boundary corner than Norman, but I feel like they think there is enough competition at CB2 now, so I doubt that happens.

Edited March 19, 2020 by ndirish1978

[Ga boy]

Trade 2021 first and Beasley or Brown to get in top 15 to get elite WR in this years draft.  We’d be unstoppable.  Go Bills!!

[Antonio]

18 hours ago, BigBillsFan said:

 

There was only 1 other "all-in" move other than Diggs and that WAS Hooper. All of the D acquisitions might help a bit, but Hooper was THE game-changer with Diggs. If he had Hooper we would know absolutely what we have in Allen. As much as I may have said Allen needs improvements I think he would instantly change the offense.

 

The TEs for the Ravens make it easy on Lamar. We needed that.

 

Diggs is great and a coup by itself, but Hooper was the complete "all-in" for offense and the team. The only way they could rectify this is a trade for a great TE but I don't see how at this point. 

 

I know he is not Hooper but if the FO feels we really need another TE we can have Ebron or Walker, both of them are still really good. I would take Walker.

 

But at this point, All IN would have to be Clowney + Gordon on 1 year deals. We have the money to do it this year. 

[Virgil]

1 minute ago, Antonio said:

 

I know he is not Hooper but if the FO feels we really need another TE we can have Ebron or Walker, both of them are still really good. I would take Walker.

 

But at this point, All IN would have to be Clowney + Gordon on 1 year deals. We have the money to do it this year. 

I really like the idea of adding Ebron 

[Halloween Land]

Melvin Gordon!

[buffaloboyinATL]

The all-in move for me would be be to trade whatever it took to Tennessee for Derrick Henry.  The Defense is already pretty solid and with Henry joining Singletary in the backfield, we would be able to put up points and keep potent offenses like the Chiefs off the field.  That would be my' win this year' move.

[Pete]

IMO the Bills two biggest needs are RB1b and QB2.

 

If the Bills sign Gordon, and trade up for QB in 2nd(to compete with Barkley and develop), I don't see any holes, and I see much quality depth. In Beane I trust

[Ga boy]

52 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said:

The all-in move for me would be be to trade whatever it took to Tennessee for Derrick Henry.  The Defense is already pretty solid and with Henry joining Singletary in the backfield, we would be able to put up points and keep potent offenses like the Chiefs off the field.  That would be my' win this year' move.

Ok, you gotta identify whatever.  My whatever Would be 2021 first, and our 2nd and 4th this year.  I do want the Hammer but he won’t come cheap.

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

21 hours ago, Virgil said:

What’s your “All In?”

 

[78thealltimegreat]

Yeh the very talented but always unhappy clowney would say we know he’s going to wear out his welcome but hey we are going for it 

[DrDawkinstein]

The Diggs move did it for me.

 

If you are looking for one more to really seal the deal, I'd say trading our 2020 and 2021 2nd round picks for Yannick.

 

I'm 50/50 on Clowney and go back and forth all the time. Have loved watching him play since South Carolina, and dude has talent, but he kills his teams with the penalties. And while I typically like to have one player on D who plays on that edge and sometimes draws the flag, his penalties are BAD penalties. Jumping on hard counts almost every time, etc.

 

If the Bills landed him I wouldnt be upset tho. But I think I prefer Yannick.

[HOUSE]

All I want is Melvin Gordon before he scoots on to Tampa with that has been QB

[gordong]

we need a big time pass rusher....   if we could somehow get that look out with this secondary. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

1 hour ago, Ga boy said:

Ok, you gotta identify whatever.  My whatever Would be 2021 first, and our 2nd and 4th this year.  I do want the Hammer but he won’t come cheap.

Actually, that about mirrors what I was thinking. I figured it would take next years 1 and a couple of picks this year at a minimum. But like the said, it would be a win now move for sure.