Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: I wonder if they will bring back Waddle or draft a young pure OT late in the draft? Otherwise, the line is set for now. I think Waddell is back. OL was very average but it's a group you can win with. Also has growth potential based on Ford's sophomore season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Still there is uncertainty. I mean I don't personally know Spain's market but I feel he could've gotten a larger deal. The G position is a tricky market this year. The Bills thought Thuney was way too much. A part of the reason they brought Spain back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince88 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: If Spain resigns then the O-line is mostly set (rolls 8 deep with TY, Bates, and Long off the bench) just need a couple of extra pieces for depth, a low end vet signing and a late round pick would do the trick. I understand what you are saying but I would more likely say headed in the right direction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, Phil The Thrill said: Im on the fence too because of Ford. But Spain was actually in pass protection. He didn’t allow a sack all year long Yeah I seen the pff stuff.. But I know I seen some plays where he was blown up and Morse or Dawkins had to bail him out and the whole line would be overwhelmed cause of it. But he is above average and that’s a helluva good contract to keep him. He must like his teammates and the potential. Overall I’m happy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said: My only concern with being "not set" is that Feliciano and Nsekhe are up after this year and Dawkins is due an extension. So long term, no. But we're good for this year at least. They weren't that good last year, but they're good this year with the same line? I'm confused, do people think the offensive line was good last year and are excited to keep it the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 24 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Dont forget Ryan Bates.....who showed to be solid at G and C I am really starting to think we are going to roll with last year's OL.....with the idea that Ty N. starts and Ford has to play better to overcome him.....Waddle being the backup LT I am for this. Give Waddle a similar deal to the one year $2 mil he signed last year. I liked how Waddle was very present around the team even though he suffered a season ending injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I think Waddell is back. OL was very average but it's a group you can win with. Also has growth potential based on Ford's sophomore season. The OL was a work in progress in 2019. The Bills think having the same starting 5 might up the ante and make them a top unit. We shall see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just now, njbuff said: The G position is a tricky market this year. The Bills thought Thuney was way too much. A part of the reason they brought Spain back. If the Bills get LB Kirksey and possibly someone like DE Mario Addison at average contracts this free agency has great potential. Then reward our cheaper stars like Poyer and Hyde. Extend White, Dawkins, and Milano. This will be a home run off season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 2 minutes ago, Turk71 said: They weren't that good last year, but they're good this year with the same line? I'm confused, do people think the offensive line was good last year and are excited to keep it the same? Continuity is a reason for thinking it will improve. I don't know, but I think it can work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Far from mostly set. Far from set? That ensures all 5 returning starters are back... how much further will a team go with other glaring holes to fill? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If the Bills get LB Kirksey and possibly someone like DE Mario Addison at average contracts this free agency has great potential. Then reward our cheaper stars like Poyer and Hyde. Extend White, Dawkins, and Milano. This will be a home run off season. I like it all, except I am on the fence about extending Poyer. His coverage wasn't good and he was one of the main culprits of a lot of missed tackles in 2019. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: Far from set? That ensures all 5 returning starters are back... how much further will a team go with other glaring holes to fill? think about what happened last year. Beane kept adding until there was too much depth to keep everyone, then traded the excess for draft picks. 9 minutes ago, njbuff said: I like it all, except I am on the fence about extending Poyer. His coverage wasn't good and he was one of the main culprits of a lot of missed tackles in 2019. I might be looking to draft Poyer’s replacement in the draft. If they don’t think it could be J Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, billsfan89 said: I'd hate to break it to you but they are playing Ford at RT. McBeane drafted him (and traded up for him) and I think that they are rolling with Ford at RT with Ty as the backup plan in case he struggles. I think people here are underestimating Ford as he played a lot better to end the season. Give him another off-season to work out the kinks in his technique and work with his teammates he is now familiar with and I think he surprises you. There's no way, based on what we know about McDermott, that decision has already been made. They may hope he earns the spot but he won't be given it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkep32 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Huge re signing, need to keep this line intact as much as possible and allow ford or any other future OL to grow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, White Linen said: There's no way, based on what we know about McDermott, that decision has already been made. They may hope he earns the spot but he won't be given it. I should qualify that they are not brining in a big time free agent RT or spending a high draft pick at RT. They are rolling with the Ford/Ty and possibly Waddle or another lower tier free agent or late round pick at RT. The competition will be there but it is going to be from Ford/Ty and other more minor acquisitions. People here want Conklin or another big grab but I just don't see that happening. I think they want to see what Ford can do after finishing the season strong while having Ty as a backstop. 27 minutes ago, Turk71 said: They weren't that good last year, but they're good this year with the same line? I'm confused, do people think the offensive line was good last year and are excited to keep it the same? The O-line play ranged from Average to Above Average last season. But keep in mind that was with a rookie in Ford and 4 new starters and 3 new backups. Only Dawkins remained from the previous season. And O-line play is improved with continuity. I think the O-line just having one season under their belt is a tremendous advantage and if you can get Ford to improve that will get them to be a top 10 unit in the league. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Warcodered said: I know people are wanting them to keep working on the O-line by bringing in some new good players but I think it's also important to remember that while the line does need to improve last year 4/5 of the starters were new. Which basically means all 5 were new to working with each other, hell even a lot of the depth was new. The starting RT was a rookie and it was the first year of our new OL coach. Plenty of reasons to think this O-Line improves this year even without a bunch of shiny new toys. This is true - but it would be irresponsible of Beane not to bring in some OL competition. We did not have a Super Bowl caliber OL last year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Are we reading that as 15 million per year? Or 5 million a year? Edited March 12, 2020 by DJB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 (edited) Another good thing about this is that OL is a position that 5th-6th rounders seem to be able to develop into quality players a little more frequent than other positions. Mostly, I assume, because athleticism is of slightly less importance there compared to most other positions. So with a solid starting line intact we can take a flyer on a guy later in the draft who is more of a boom or bust player and then not have to rely on him playing as a rookie. Edited March 12, 2020 by Kelly the Dog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 3 minutes ago, DJB said: Are we reading that as 15 million per year? Or 5 million a year? I read it as clearly stating a total valuation of 15 million over 3 years...so 5 mill per 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I'd like to see Bates compete at either of the OT spots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: Nah, it's pretty much set LT - Dawkins/Nsekhe LG - Spain/Long C - Morse/Spain/Long RG - Feliciano/Ford RT - Ford/Nsekhe Maybe grab another Tackle, and a Guard to compete, but we can roll with that. People thought that last year before we drafted Ford. You're right that we can roll with that, but will we? Anyway, I like the signing. Edited March 13, 2020 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 this appears to be a steal folks. i thought he might go for 7-8 mill per year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I should qualify that they are not brining in a big time free agent RT or spending a high draft pick at RT. They are rolling with the Ford/Ty and possibly Waddle or another lower tier free agent or late round pick at RT. The competition will be there but it is going to be from Ford/Ty and other more minor acquisitions. People here want Conklin or another big grab but I just don't see that happening. I think they want to see what Ford can do after finishing the season strong while having Ty as a backstop. . Gotcha. I guess I didn't read enough posts to see that's where you were coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This can’t be accurate because I read on these pages that Spain is not good at pass protection. On a serious note, great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turk71 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Spain was not very good and bringing him back is a disappointment to me. I thought the line was a weakness last year and Spain and Ford were the weakest links. Ford was just a rookie and isn't going anywhere but I thought Spain's position could easily be upgraded. I don't really understand all the excitement for bringing back Kroft or acquiring Norman either. I read one poster saying he thought there was a decent chance Norman doesn't even make the team but it's a great contract because he only gets 3 million dollars if he doesn't. Does that make sense? A guy you think has a decent chance not to make the team is guaranteed 3 mil and that's a great thing? Kroft had 6 catches for 6.5 million dollars, 70 catches combined over the last 5 seasons, and some people are excited to give him another shot for only 4 million. Not trying to be a downer, but I'm not excited about these moves so far. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong but the offensive line and tight end positions were weak spots last year and just sticking with the same guys and expecting much better results is not real encouraging imo. 38 minutes ago, billsfan89 said: I should qualify that they are not brining in a big time free agent RT or spending a high draft pick at RT. They are rolling with the Ford/Ty and possibly Waddle or another lower tier free agent or late round pick at RT. The competition will be there but it is going to be from Ford/Ty and other more minor acquisitions. People here want Conklin or another big grab but I just don't see that happening. I think they want to see what Ford can do after finishing the season strong while having Ty as a backstop. The O-line play ranged from Average to Above Average last season. But keep in mind that was with a rookie in Ford and 4 new starters and 3 new backups. Only Dawkins remained from the previous season. And O-line play is improved with continuity. I think the O-line just having one season under their belt is a tremendous advantage and if you can get Ford to improve that will get them to be a top 10 unit in the league. I have seen the oline ranked around 20th last year on a couple different sites. It was obvious to me they were not good enough to go deep into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philo Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Another good thing about this is that OL is a position that 5th-6th rounders seem to be able to develop into quality players a little more frequent than other positions. Mostly, I assume, because athleticism is of slightly less importance there compared to most other positions. So with a solid starting line intact we can take a flyer on a guy later in the draft who is more of a boom or bust player and then not have to rely on him playing as a rookie. Aren't those lineman that Bobby Johnson was working with at the Clemson pro day today project to be Day 3 guys? One of them could be in the plan there. Also, let's not forget about Ike Boettger. This is likely the show something or you're out year for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rochesterfan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I think they roll with most of the line from last year. You have your starters with Ford/Ty competing and then Bates and Long as back-ups. I will be interested to see about Waddle, but remember if the new CBA passes there are extra PS spots including for 2 veteran players. So the Bills could draft late round guys or sign another guy to compete and still have a place to stash a player if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 $5 million a year is not a fortune but it is starting money. It doesn't look like we're going to change our O line this coming year. But maybe they draft and RT to develop. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Turk71 said: Spain was not very good and bringing him back is a disappointment to me. I thought the line was a weakness last year and Spain and Ford were the weakest links. Ford was just a rookie and isn't going anywhere but I thought Spain's position could easily be upgraded. I don't really understand all the excitement for bringing back Kroft or acquiring Norman either. I read one poster saying he thought there was a decent chance Norman doesn't even make the team but it's a great contract because he only gets 3 million dollars if he doesn't. Does that make sense? A guy you think has a decent chance not to make the team is guaranteed 3 mil and that's a great thing? Kroft had 6 catches for 6.5 million dollars, 70 catches combined over the last 5 seasons, and some people are excited to give him another shot for only 4 million. Not trying to be a downer, but I'm not excited about these moves so far. I sincerely hope I'm proven wrong but the offensive line and tight end positions were weak spots last year and just sticking with the same guys and expecting much better results is not real encouraging imo. I have seen the oline ranked around 20th last year on a couple different sites. It was obvious to me they were not good enough to go deep into the playoffs. PFF had them 21st overall and Football outsiders had them 16th. I couldn't find too many other rankings but from my eye test the O-line's play ranged from average to above average. But that was with 4 new starters and a lot of turnover in the coaching staff in the O-line and a rookie in Cody Ford starting. I think that the increase in continuity (which is big for O-line play) and a better year from Ford in year two will see the O-line improve to being a top 10 unit.I do agree that the Kroft restructuring wasn't the best, although I do like the Norman signing. Edited March 13, 2020 by billsfan89 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 So did he make a change with his agent before this deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JK Fan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Good signing, glad he is back. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Warcodered said: https://billswire.usatoday.com/2020/01/06/buffalo-bills-quinton-spain-back-mitch-morse-josh-allen/ Pretty sure this was posted on here a while ago but that's a lot of nice things guys that depend on who's in that RG spot are saying about him on this team. Spain is the LG? Plays next to D-dawk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: If the Bills get LB Kirksey and possibly someone like DE Mario Addison at average contracts this free agency has great potential. Then reward our cheaper stars like Poyer and Hyde. Extend White, Dawkins, and Milano. This will be a home run off season. Hyde has 2 years left on his current deal. He signed a nice $30 million deal and he will get paid all $30 million. He's fine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: My only concern with being "not set" is that Feliciano and Nsekhe are up after this year and Dawkins is due an extension. So long term, no. But we're good for this year at least. I could see Bills drafting an OT. Nsekhe is 35 and has 1 year left and the Bills really don't have a 4th OT. Bates is an interior lineman imo. Drafting an OT would give the Bills a third OT to groom into swing tackle behind Ford and Dawkins beyond 2020. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Thought he was good most of the season and was a big reason we lost the playoff game. Dont like what it says about Ford at Right Tackle long term but it is a hell of a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Spain is the LG? Plays next to D-dawk? Whoops...the article was still talking about him though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Three years for $15,000,000 is a solid deal imo. We surely didn't overpay and he was solid last year. I don't think this excludes us from adding another guy or two via FA and the draft either. Beane is all about value and you can never have enough quality OL players because injuries happen. Edited March 13, 2020 by H2o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Zabka Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Good pass blocker, poor run blocker with limited mobility. Was hoping Bills upgraded O-Line but its a reasonable contract so cant complain. Edited March 13, 2020 by Billy Zabka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 41 minutes ago, Green Lightning said: $5 million a year is not a fortune but it is starting money. It doesn't look like we're going to change our O line this coming year. But maybe they draft and RT to develop. Are you kidding, that is a great deal for the Bills, especially for a guy who didn't give up a sack (or close to it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, WMDman said: Welp there goes everyones hopes of Ford to gaurd Im glad spain got re-signed (hopefully) Short term yes, longer term still up in the air. My take on this entire thing is while Ford didn't play great at RT, for a rookie, he more than held his own. Lets see how he handles the upcoming season so give him another full year a RT and still have Ty to spell him if needed. Next year at this time Feliciano is a FA so if Ford doesn't look better at RT, then move him inside next year into that spot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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