transplantbillsfan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I love Knox. I hate that he drops too many passes, but I haven't given up on him. I just don't see the need to bring in a veteran - especially one who is in the last year or two of his career - to mentor him. That clearly didn't work last year. I also like Sweeney. He should have been getting the playing time that the worthless piece of ***** Kroft got. If McD and Beane still believe in Knox, then just keep him and Sweeney. And don't forget about Jason Pegula. He'll be back. It wouldn't really be a bad thing to have Knox, Olsen AND Sweeney. As to your earlier statement, Knox could be the next great TE if he can consistently catch the football. But ya know what... let's try and see if an offseason helps him get more comfortable doing that. Dawson Knox only caught 39 passes in college. He was a raw physical specimen when we drafted him, much like our QB. I really can't wait to see the Josh to Knox connection develop next year. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, Green Lightning said: He played 14 games last year, 52 catches and almost 600 yards, more than our TEs combined. Knox had 28 for 322 in 15 games. Sweeney 8 for 119 and penalty machine Lee Smith 4 for 31, Kroft 11 for 71. And he did that without Cam Newton. I think it's a solid move if we get rid of Croft and Smith. Knox was also a rookie who played QB in high school and despite his athletic ability, was used as a blocking tight end in college. He has the athletic package to be an elite tight end, he just needs Time to develop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent 91 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Makes a hell of a lot more sense than Lee Smith. You have a talented young TE in the mold of Greg himself. I would love to see Dswson split out. I think Olsens style would suit him well. Let's face it. We arent looking for our guy. Just a solid contributor who has been there before. As Cam Newton's top target for years who better to bring in to that TE room. I think he can improve Tommy Sweeney as well I'm all on board with this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: What is the obsession with has-beens this off season? He hasn't had a decent year since 2016. The man has 13 years in the league. We need to build for the future rather than invest in what's left of the past. Olsen missed two games this past season and still had more receptions than all of the Bills TEs combined. The guy will be an instant upgrade to our TE room before free agency even starts, and can be pro bowl vet presence for Knox/Sweeney. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Don't let him leave the building. Giving Allen a sure handed veteran TE safety valve would do nothing but help his development. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 There is no guarantee that Kroft will all of a sudden be able to catch passes reliably. There are younger and better models on the FA market than Olsen, Kroft & Smith. $10 million for a top TE who can catch passes is cheaper than a WR in FA; plus they are generally bigger targets as well. If, Knox does indeed develop of the next couple seasons, man it would really suck to have 2 great TEs. And don't give me Cap space nonsense, we have 23 players under contract in 2 years - we have the room and ability. Gimme 2 great TEs any day 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Does he have anything left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 At first glance I said no thanks. But I’ve changed my mind. Knox, Olsen, and Kroft would be a great trio. Cut Lee Smith and Sweeney. Carry an extra swing tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I really like Olsen but broken feet never heal properly. It seems like Clappy wants one roster spot dedicated to a leadership veteran. It's starting to feel like a Fantasy Football Oldies cruise 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Does he have anything left? Doesn't seem so...foot injury would be a problem for me....maybe 5 years ago but not now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Does he have anything left? Had 52 catches in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
njbuff Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I think the Bills are really counting on Knox's development and they would want Olsen here to help his development. I think an "almost done" Olsen on this roster is better than Lee Smith in his prime. In other words, Olsen over Smith all day ever day. Even at this point in Olsen's career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 11 hours ago, J-GunJoshAllen17 said: We should really sign him and then one of Hooper or Henry. Sick match up problems for other teams to deal with, Henry Olsen and Knox. Then look for the #1 reciever in the draft. Good take and I wouldn’t be against it for the right price. He may still have gas, but we need an option we can get out of after a year if we do a two year deal in case he has lost it. I agree on one of the other two TE’s, but would cut Sweeney, Smith, and Kroft to off set a small amt. of the price of these two. If we are going to spend some money in free agency, TE’s even top ones are more affordable than pass rushers or WR’s. That would have to be a draft priority as well as a battering ram RB. It would be $ we’ll spent as we would upgrade all of the weapons as stated above. With Brown and Beasley, and Roberts for ST, we would have a much improved offense, and would then be the real test if Daboll is a deep playoff play caller and Allen is really the man. I believe at this point in both, but this would cement whether we have the right two people. If we don’t we go back to the drawing board at QB after Allen’s 4 year contract. Anyway, that’s my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyC81 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, nucci said: Doesn't seem so...foot injury would be a problem for me....maybe 5 years ago but not now Just “NO!” No more guys with injury history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Olsen missed two games this past season and still had more receptions than all of the Bills TEs combined. The guy will be an instant upgrade to our TE room before free agency even starts, and can be pro bowl vet presence for Knox/Sweeney. And the year before that he played in only 9 games and before that, 7. I think we can do a lot better than an oft injured, geriatric has-been on the way to his last rodeo. This team isn't about flashy, instant upgrades, it's about long term investment in players that can help us win today, tomorrow and beyond. There are better, younger TE's available in the draft and on the FA market than a guy whose main attraction is that he was a top fantasy performer four years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 As long as Kroft, Smith and Croom are gone its addition by subtraction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 11 hours ago, Rc2catch said: You’re not getting 16 games from Olsen, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing given knoxs ability and possible growth. He’s going to be a second option possibly here. He’d be the guy in Washington though. I’m not against signing him if they’re going to use him in the pass game. They didn’t use Kroft or make him a part of the offense, no point signing a similar player (obviously a long track record of success) if they’re not going to use him. I do find it a little funny we have this many posters excited to sign Olsen and so many against AJ Green. Same kind of situation as both are injury prone, on their last contracts that wouldn’t be long ones or ridiculous money. If I’m drafting a rookie receiver I don’t think there’s many in the league I would pick to show them how it’s done over green. Same for Knox, you want someone to show him how a tight end practices and makes plays in the pass game not many I would pick over Olsen to show him the ropes. nice point. If you sign Olsen, might as well go get Green as well, to go with the 9 drafted guys and all the youngsters in the locker room. With Zo and Gore probably both gone, need some guidance and maturity in the room. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Mickey said: And the year before that he played in only 9 games and before that, 7. I think we can do a lot better than an oft injured, geriatric has-been on the way to his last rodeo. This team isn't about flashy, instant upgrades, it's about long term investment in players that can help us win today, tomorrow and beyond. There are better, younger TE's available in the draft and on the FA market than a guy whose main attraction is that he was a top fantasy performer four years ago. There’s no guarantee the Bills are going to be able to sign Hooper when FA starts. Yes Olsen has injury concerns and is in end stages of his career, but Kroft has played a total of 16 games in the past two years with only 12 catches, so Bills are paying him almost $1M per catch. If they can sign Olsen now, it’s instant upgrade to TE room and I say makes Kroft expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 (edited) helps fill in leadship role with Lorax and Gore gone, at a position of need. Josh and Knox could learn a ton from Olsen, he won't break the bank. Olson will help this offense out,especially when we upgrade WR group Edited February 4, 2020 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 12 hours ago, Bangarang said: Meh...5 years ago this would be pretty exciting. It still is:) Knox and Sweeney take a huge step forward with this guy as their mentor for a year. Plus Josh gets a sure handed veteran TE he can count on to run the right route and catch the ball at the end of it With 59 career TD`s he is a huge redzone weapon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Not that Beane is asking me, but I'm fine with Olsen as a Vet TE to help school and support the young TEs on this roster - I think it's a great idea and not one that they were able to take advantage of with Kroft on IR most of the season. However, I hope that the Bills go into this knowing what they're getting and reason they're getting it: play some, tutor / mentor even more. Knox had serious drop issues, but you also saw the real advantage to having him as a pass catching option at times in the season. Knox can be a very good TE, but needs some support and guidance from a guy like Olsen. And let's not overlook Sweeney - I really think he can also be a versatile in-line blocker and decent pass catcher for the Bills. Olsen as a receiving threat in a two TE set with Knox or 3 TE set with Sweeney / Kroft is a good idea but I hope they realize you're not getting Olsen to duplicate his prime years, you're getting him to contribute some on the field, to help Josh in tough situations, but mostly to be a player-coach hybrid for the youth in that room, much like Gore to Motor. If that happens at a reasonable price, b/c we all know the Bills have a ton of Cap room, then I love this move if it were to happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Not that Beane is asking me, but I'm fine with Olsen as a Vet TE to help school and support the young TEs on this roster - I think it's a great idea and not one that they were able to take advantage of with Kroft on IR most of the season. However, I hope that the Bills go into this knowing what they're getting and reason they're getting it: play some, tutor / mentor even more. Knox had serious drop issues, but you also saw the real advantage to having him as a pass catching option at times in the season. Knox can be a very good TE, but needs some support and guidance from a guy like Olsen. And let's not overlook Sweeney - I really think he can also be a versatile in-line blocker and decent pass catcher for the Bills. Olsen as a receiving threat in a two TE set with Knox or 3 TE set with Sweeney / Kroft is a good idea but I hope they realize you're not getting Olsen to duplicate his prime years, you're getting him to contribute some on the field, to help Josh in tough situations, but mostly to be a player-coach hybrid for the youth in that room, much like Gore to Motor. If that happens at a reasonable price, b/c we all know the Bills have a ton of Cap room, then I love this move if it were to happen. He caught 50 passes last year,he may have another 50 or so in the tank:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: At first glance I said no thanks. But I’ve changed my mind. Knox, Olsen, and Kroft would be a great trio. Cut Lee Smith and Sweeney. Carry an extra swing tackle. So, you think it would be a good idea to have two injury prone TE's out of the three you want to keep? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 everyone always throws around leadership, mentor with a veteran player....how do you all know this about Olsen or are you assuming? Olsen was a great player....the foot injuries are concerning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessYaDigg Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said: This is great news. I think this guy still has gas in the tank and he would be a fantastic mentor to Sweeney & Knox and security blanket for Allen. Here's to hoping! He's got enough gas in the tank to last about 4 games, and then he'll be put right back on the IR. No thanks. He's not the same player anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 This would be all about helping to develop Knox (and Sweeney to a lesser extent). I wonder if they’d keep Smith for blocking; I think Kroft is a goner either way. Curious if they’ll IR Croom again for obvious reasons... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Does bringing in ex-Panthers ever work out for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hebert19 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I look at it this way. Olsen had a bad year for him last year and it is better than any TE we have had in 20 years... Pair him with knox for a year which doesnt kill 2021 cap and hes just like any other vet signing this team likes to make. Vet that can contribute but nothing long term as we add via draft. Hes perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, njbuff said: I think the Bills are really counting on Knox's development and they would want Olsen here to help his development. I think an "almost done" Olsen on this roster is better than Lee Smith in his prime. In other words, Olsen over Smith all day ever day. Even at this point in Olsen's career. Do folks realize that Olsen had 58 receptions last year? Our TE group combined for 46 ? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 15 minutes ago, nucci said: everyone always throws around leadership, mentor with a veteran player....how do you all know this about Olsen or are you assuming? Olsen was a great player....the foot injuries are concerning He has no choice but to mentor even if he doesn’t want to. Even if he’s unwilling to teach, just the guys seeing him in practice and the film room will learn things. Lead by example kinda thing. The injuries are of course a concern but we wouldn’t be asking him to play a ton of snaps. Signing him is a win win situation. His contract won’t be long or hindering, even if/when he gets hurt you still have Knox and Sweeney. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: As long as Kroft, Smith and Croom are gone its addition by subtraction. Croom might have a minority ownership stake in the team one day. Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks around for another season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 How bad are these reporters. Just noticed a Buf news article talking about Olsen. They said he was a first round pick for the Panthers Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, njbuff said: I think an "almost done" Olsen on this roster is better than Lee Smith in his prime. In other words, Olsen over Smith all day ever day. Even at this point in Olsen's career. Olsen wouldn't replace Smith, he would replace Kroft. I think Smith will be on the team next year. He plays an important rule in our run game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: At first glance I said no thanks. But I’ve changed my mind. Knox, Olsen, and Kroft would be a great trio. Cut Lee Smith and Sweeney. Carry an extra swing tackle. I wouldn’t cut Sweeney. He has looked good every chance he has gotten. He was a steal and has a bright future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: Olsen wouldn't replace Smith, he would replace Kroft. I think Smith will be on the team next year. He plays an important rule in our run game. So if we sign Olsen, we are probably set at TE, don't you think? Olsen, Knox, Smith, Sweeney BTW Olsen would be a fantastic signing IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Lurker said: Using Buffalo to drive up the price from Washington, me thinks... Yes. Using the contender and playoff team to drive up the price of the team that played only 16 games last season and likely only 16 next. Eventually you will get use to us being winners. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 13 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: I guess we need an unnecessary Frank Gore signing for our TE unit? No thanks. 52-597-11.5-2TDs How on earth you arrived at this take we will never understand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 53 minutes ago, stony said: Croom might have a minority ownership stake in the team one day. Wouldn't be surprised if he sticks around for another season. If Croom sticks around and it isn't immediately evident that he's better than someone they cut, We Have A Problem. 31 minutes ago, Pete said: So if we sign Olsen, we are probably set at TE, don't you think? Olsen, Knox, Smith, Sweeney BTW Olsen would be a fantastic signing IMO I can't go as far as "fantastic" but I wouldn't hate it He's not "fat Kelvin" but he is old, and has struggled with injuries. 33 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Olsen wouldn't replace Smith, he would replace Kroft. I think Smith will be on the team next year. He plays an important rule in our run game. Smith plays an important role in our pass protection game too. The problem with Smith is that despite being used to run routes on occasion, he is not a route running/pass catching threat. So when he's on the field, it's pretty much a tell that he's going to be blocking (unless Daboll sends him deep on a route, at which point he's not the best player for it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badassgixxer05 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: How bad are these reporters. Just noticed a Buf news article talking about Olsen. They said he was a first round pick for the Panthers Lol. I forgot Olsen was with the Bears. The Panthers selected Jon Beason 6 picks before him.. eek.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 I'd rather have Delanie Walker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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