Does McD survive this year?

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

I hate you.

Cool

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me start off by saying not a chicken little thread and I know that we are 5-2 and still have a favorable schedule to get to the playoffs. But that also goes to what I am about to say. 
 

Let’s say the Bills do not right the ship. If this season goes like seasons in the past of collapsing down the stretch after a 5-1 now 5-2 start does McD survive?  
 

With all the talk of the DNA and Standards and Process you you think McD survives a Bills collapse?  
 

BTW add another Blowout loss to the McD resume. 

 

 

Couldn't you have said it by bumping one of the previous "is McD on the hot seat?" threads?  That way fewer people would be mocking you...

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Allen will be stunted in this offense because this offense doesn't have enough talent to compete with quality teams like the Pats or the Eagles.  He gets no help from the running game, so running play action isn't a realistic option.  He's got a couple of decent WRs, intermittent decent play from other WRs and TEs, no reliable pass catching RB. 

 

Actually, he made the playoffs with a decent roster that he inherited and began dismantling.  He and Beane finished the job in 2018, so I suppose that they deserve medals if the team manages to win 9 or 10 games with a schedule filled with tankers and bottom feeders?

This is just not right. The Bills are 13th in rushing attempts, 8th in rushing yards, and 5th in rushing yards per attempt. Check out the running games of some other teams in the league. The Bills are a decent-to-solid rushing team. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

This is just not right. The Bills are 13th in rushing attempts, 8th in rushing yards, and 5th in rushing yards per attempt. Check out the running games of some other teams in the league. The Bills are a decent-to-solid rushing team. 

 

25% total yards and 28% of the carries  are by Josh Allen.  So he's helping his passing game with his own running game?

[dave mcbride]

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

25% total yards and 28% of the carries  are by Josh Allen.  So he's helping his passing game with his own running game?

Gore, Singletary, and Yeldon are collectively averaging 5.1 ypc (on 125 carries). It's not like they're incapable of running the ball effectively through their backs. He said that they have no play action game because their running game isn't good enough to set it up.  Allen's 4.4 ypc is tied with Gore and below the other two. 

Edited October 28, 2019 by dave mcbride

[Phil The Thrill]

8 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

Let me start off by saying not a chicken little thread and I know that we are 5-2 and still have a favorable schedule to get to the playoffs. But that also goes to what I am about to say. 
 

Let’s say the Bills do not right the ship. If this season goes like seasons in the past of collapsing down the stretch after a 5-1 now 5-2 start does McD survive?  
 

With all the talk of the DNA and Standards and Process you you think McD survives a Bills collapse?  
 

BTW add another Blowout loss to the McD resume. 

Another blowout loss won’t matter.  McDermott has been “the most powerful man on One Bills Drive.”  The Pegulas love the job McDermott is doing for the franchise.  I would guess that he can go 7-9 and still get a 4th year.  I think that there is a lot of admiration of McDermott from The Pegulas and he has Brandon Beane is his corner.  
 

He’ll survive any record and probably will get a 5th year.   I would be willing to be that The Pegulas gave him assurances that he’d have time to complete “the process”
 

Anything short of a rift between Beane and McDermott, and he is staying.  He is the Bills coach - for good or for bad.

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Gore, Singletary, and Yeldon are collectively averaging 5.1 ypc (on 125 carries). It's not like they're incapable of running the ball effectively through their backs. He said that they have no play action game because their running game isn't good enough to set it up.  Allen's 4.4 ypc is tied with Gore and below the other two. 

 

Allen's rushes and attempts make the Bills rushing game look much better statistically than it actually is.  If you take out Allen's attempts and yards, the Bills would be #32 in attempts with 17.9 and #24 in yards per game at 91.3, so opponents aren't particularly worried about the Bills RBs.  Consequently, opponents aren't going to regularly sell out to stop the Bills running backs, and play action can't be a viable passing option in that situation. 

Edited October 28, 2019 by SoTier

[Tcali]

10 hours ago, SlimShady'sGhost said:

Christ man,  the Bills had 3 or 4 blowouts by this time last season.  

 

ONE in 7 weeks is a HUGE improvement 

good point. 

[Don Otreply]

Yes, yes he does. Silly question... hypothetically speaking...

 

Go Bills!!!

Edited October 28, 2019 by Don Otreply

[dave mcbride]

12 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Allen's rushes and attempts make the Bills rushing game look much better statistically than it actually is.  If you take out Allen's attempts and yards, the Bills would be #32 in attempts with 17.9 and #24 in yards per game at 91.3, so opponents aren't particularly worried about the Bills RBs.  Consequently, opponents aren't going to regularly sell out to stop the Bills running backs, and play action can't be a viable passing option in that situation. 

As I said in another note, the Bills’ 3 rbs are averaging 5.1 ypc on 120 carries. Allen is averaging 4.4. 5.1 is extremely high. The Bills clearly have a competent running game through their rbs.

 

Also, if you’re going to make that sort of argument, you have to take out all qb runs. There are more than you might think for teams like the pats because of kneel downs.

Edited October 28, 2019 by dave mcbride

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Luka said:

McDermott is fine, he just needs to fire that waste of space OC.

Dumbell is the first to get blown out. An absolutely awful OC. Have we had a good OC in the last 20 years? McDermott's defense will not survive this season if this offense doesn't get their sh$$ together. 

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, Chris66 said:

Are you saying Allen isnt smart enough to run this offense because the Pats have been dominating with this offense for almost 2 decades

What an ignorant response. This Belichick reject in no way runs anything resembling Bill's offenses over the years. Dumbell's offense is WAY TOO complicated and his plays take 10 seconds to develop. And many players have complained about it.  So keep sitting Singletary.  Keep running qb sweeps that risk injury or fumbles. Keep using Sproles Dimarco on deep wheel routes....comical.....

 

[Luka]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

What an ignorant response. This Belichick reject in no way runs anything resembling Bill's offenses over the years. Dumbell's offense is WAY TOO complicated and his plays take 10 seconds to develop. And many players have complained about it.  So keep sitting Singletary.  Keep running qb sweeps that risk injury or fumbles. Keep using Sproles Dimarco on deep wheel routes....comical.....

 

 

Sproles DiMarco... hilarious.

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, dave mcbride said:

Gore, Singletary, and Yeldon are collectively averaging 5.1 ypc (on 125 carries). It's not like they're incapable of running the ball effectively through their backs. He said that they have no play action game because their running game isn't good enough to set it up.  Allen's 4.4 ypc is tied with Gore and below the other two. 

 

 

Singletary has hads 20 carries....in 4 games.  His YPC are meaningless at this point.  He's an afterthought for Daboll.  Their "run" game begins and ends with Frank Gore.

[Chris66]

32 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

What an ignorant response. This Belichick reject in no way runs anything resembling Bill's offenses over the years. Dumbell's offense is WAY TOO complicated and his plays take 10 seconds to develop. And many players have complained about it.  So keep sitting Singletary.  Keep running qb sweeps that risk injury or fumbles. Keep using Sproles Dimarco on deep wheel routes....comical.....

 

Yeah because bills teams have done so well over the last 20 years on offense.

The offense he runs is concept based.  if ran correctly there is always someone open. Not only is there someone open but it also gives the offense an opportunity to dictate coverage. Is Allen capable of running it?  He seems to grasp the concepts, but he also tends to look off the easier completion for the bigger gain. Also do the qb and receivers see coverage the same since its all option based routes.

[Turk71]

McD definitely survives this year regardless of outcome imo, hopefully Daboll does not.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Turk71

[Formerly Allan in MD]

Uh, yes.

[Trogdor]

13 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

We'll see if that's true by how Philly plays running out the season. 

They are going to be a powerhouse if guys keep returning. I'm just pointing out that we saw them maybe not at the weakest, but pretty close. 

[LSHMEAB]

13 hours ago, Mango said:

 

I am not surprised at the Singletary touches. He had 10 touches total, the first two games of the season. 10 touches after coming back from injury over 2 games. I think Singelary is a good change of pace back not a workhorse. Sort of a combination between Spiller and McCoy.

 

This issue isn't that DS is not getting touches, the issue is we don't have a great stable of backs or a feature back like Shady. 

 

 

But what has Singletary really done to demonstrate that he's a "playmaker?" He's been productive with his touches, but I just don't see any explosion or burst. The vast majority of his yards have come via wide open space.

 

I understand that he wasn't drafted to be a workhorse, but I also don't know that he's really got enough going on to even be considered a valuable change of pace back.

 

Didn't like the pick at the time. Don't like it now. Maybe Daboll is just an idiot(quite possible) or maybe he doesn't believe Devin is going to do much when he has to make a play in traffic.

 

Worst thing is that we desperately need a playmaker in the backfield. I agree that they made a mistake going into the season with this stable of running backs. At any rate, they do need to get DS the ball more often because he's at least theoretically capable of popping off 20 plus yard gains. There just aren't any dynamic offensive "weapons" and I think he was/is supposed to be that guy.

 

But yeah, this is a silly question. The Bills will almost certainly finish the season above 500 and that's not going to precipitate a change at the HC position nor should it. Gotta stick with him at least one more year for better or worse.

Edited October 29, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[Nelius]

6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said:

But what has Singletary really done to demonstrate that he's a "playmaker?" He's been productive with his touches, but I just don't see any explosion or burst. The vast majority of his yards have come via wide open space.

 

7.9 yards per touch across 20 rushes and 9 receptions. That's ALL open space? Seems to me he has some kind of burst to still be averaging nearly 8 yards after almost 30 touches. And hell burst or not, if he's practically going to get a 1st down every single time he touches the ball, I'd say that shows more potential to be a playmaker than anybody else on this roster.

Edited October 29, 2019 by Nelius

[Nelius]

5 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

Singletary has hads 20 carries....in 4 games.  His YPC are meaningless at this point.  He's an afterthought for Daboll.  Their "run" game begins and ends with Frank Gore.

 

Let's add 9 receptions and he's still at nearly 8 yards per touch. Why wouldn't you give him the ball more often? It really seems a better option than dismissing 29 touches as luck, or whatever. I truly don't understand why some are dismissing this rookie who was billed as a playmaker, and is currently living up to the hype? He just had a TD last week, where is this pessimistic attitude coming from? Of course you give him the ball more.

[iccrewman112]

16 hours ago, Luka said:

McDermott is fine, he just needs to fire that waste of space OC.

But he was mentioned as a hot candidate for upcoming head coach jobs. These mentions were baffling to me as great offensive minds have their teams average 25ppg minimum. 

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, Turk71 said:

McD definitely survives this year regardless of outcome imo, hopefully Daboll does not.

I agree with this.

 

I have no idea why this team doesn't run the ball more and utilize Singletary more often. 

[billsbackto81]

Daboll has been uninspiring and unimaginative to say the least. He's not scheming to any of the players strengths.

 

You know who'd be a decent OC with this collection of players? Greg Roman. Yeah that's right! I said it!

 

His skill set designing run plays with Gore (Power), Singletary (Elusive), Yeldon (Pass Catching) and a sprinkle of McKenzie (Speed) would be pretty good, IMO of course.

[Dr.Sack]

5-11 95%
6-10 50%
7-9 25%
8-8 10%
9-7 5%
10-6 0%
11-5 0%
12-4 0%
13-3 0%
14-2 0%

[Bangarang]

If Daball gets fired then that’s 3 OCs in 4 years. Yikes.

[Aussie Joe]

Last week some were worried that Daboll was going to get a HC job elsewhere next year..

 

A week is a long time here at TBD.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

 

You Friggin people one bad loss and y'all want to fire everyone.

 

How many times did we take a beat down during the SB years, plenty. 

 

This team will come back angry and play lights out this week.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

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[ALF]

G    YDS    YPA    COMP%    TD-INT    RAT     Baker Mayfield
7    1690    7.4    57.6              6-12       67.8

 

G    YDS    YPA    COMP%    TD-INT    RAT      Josh Allen
7    1493    6.7     60.1               9-7          80.4 

 

Both teams need better pass protection and then see what happens    

[Luka]

6 hours ago, iccrewman112 said:

But he was mentioned as a hot candidate for upcoming head coach jobs. These mentions were baffling to me as great offensive minds have their teams average 25ppg minimum. 

 

As we've seen all over the league, if you've been within 50 feet of Belichek's dirty jock strap, you are the next big thing in coaching. Feel bad for whoever jumps on the Daboll grenade.

[Mango]

8 hours ago, LSHMEAB said:

But what has Singletary really done to demonstrate that he's a "playmaker?" He's been productive with his touches, but I just don't see any explosion or burst. The vast majority of his yards have come via wide open space.

 

I understand that he wasn't drafted to be a workhorse, but I also don't know that he's really got enough going on to even be considered a valuable change of pace back.

 

Didn't like the pick at the time. Don't like it now. Maybe Daboll is just an idiot(quite possible) or maybe he doesn't believe Devin is going to do much when he has to make a play in traffic.

 

Worst thing is that we desperately need a playmaker in the backfield. I agree that they made a mistake going into the season with this stable of running backs. At any rate, they do need to get DS the ball more often because he's at least theoretically capable of popping off 20 plus yard gains. There just aren't any dynamic offensive "weapons" and I think he was/is supposed to be that guy.

 

But yeah, this is a silly question. The Bills will almost certainly finish the season above 500 and that's not going to precipitate a change at the HC position nor should it. Gotta stick with him at least one more year for better or worse.

 

 

I think we are on the same page here.  I don't get the hype on a guy with 20 total NFL carries. I think at best he projects to a change of pace back. 

With an offense that struggles with consistency (That is putting it nicely), I think the safe bet is Gore where he gets you a couple yards every time he touches the ball. You are probably right that DS struggles in traffic or between the tackles.

 

 

 

[Big Gun]

My initial reaction was yes but after seeing some of McD W/L stats, blowouts, opponents avg offenses that kill his teams, etc etc. After starting 5-1 and should there be a collapse to, say 9-7 and not get in or get in and lose 1st round, IDK, I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk he stays. Maybe put some pressure on him to make DC/OC changes because they both stink and go from there, he would still be on the hot seat in 2020. 

After 3 years McD seems to be an adequate coach against bad teams and a bad coach against good teams who is frequently out coached way too many times. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You Friggin people one bad loss and y'all want to fire everyone.

 

How many times did we take a beat down during the SB years, plenty. 

 

This team will come back angry and play lights out this week.

 

I hope you're right

[Nextmanup]

On 10/28/2019 at 9:14 AM, George C said:

Oh brother.ll here comes the bandwagon fans who want instant super bowls .

 

Do you want to become the Browns?

Of course we stick with this group..for the next foreseeable future.

We need more talent, and it’s coming through the draft..

How dare these fools demand instant success!

 

Sure, we haven't won a playoff game in twenty-four years, but these things take time! 

 

Fools!
 

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, pop gun said:

My initial reaction was yes but after seeing some of McD W/L stats, blowouts, opponents avg offenses that kill his teams, etc etc. After starting 5-1 and should there be a collapse to, say 9-7 and not get in or get in and lose 1st round, IDK, I wouldn't say it's a slam dunk he stays. Maybe put some pressure on him to make DC/OC changes because they both stink and go from there, he would still be on the hot seat in 2020. 

After 3 years McD seems to be an adequate coach against bad teams and a bad coach against good teams who is frequently out coached way too many times. 

 

I have are opposing concerns. 

1) Consistency and continuity are both needed for success.  Changing coaches means changing schemes, and that always sets a team back.  Even if the new hire swears he'll leave the good parts alone history shows us it's overwhelmingly likely, he won't.  A 3-year coaching carousel is the path to perpetual mediocrity.

2) As the DeMotivator says, "Consistency: it's only a virtue if you're not a screw-up"  I am concerned that McDermott and Daboll are checkers players in a league where the ultimate winners play chess.  He's not alone in that - I would say the same about a number of other contending coaches.  But I think it's a legit concern.

[Warcodered]

9 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

You Friggin people one bad loss and y'all want to fire everyone.

 

How many times did we take a beat down during the SB years, plenty. 

 

This team will come back angry and play lights out this week.

 

 

It's not like we were 2-5 at this point last year.

[Dopey]

Did Joe Buscaglia say McDermott sucks?

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Just now, Dopey said:

Did Joe Buscaglia say McDermott sucks?

Maybe some of the squeaky voiced interns / producers / late show hosts at WGR.

[PromoTheRobot]

The Sabres lost at home for the first time. I guess Krueger is done.