rayray808 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise" My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Stay poised Keep progressing Just win baby 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Beat the Pats, eclipse 4K yards, win a playoff game. 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 If he plays consistently like he did vs the Giants (and for spells vs the Jets) then I am sold that Josh Allen is the franchise. That is all he has to do. Keep playing like that. Smart, decisive, accurate and chain moving. 9 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Consistency 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 He already looks like he'll get there to me. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I would say a few things would show me. 4000 yds would be ideal, but not required 30TD’s total: i include rushing TD’s bc he seems to strongly prefer to trust his legs in the red zone (I think he’s nervous to make mistakes in a limited field. He’s got 4 total touchdowns right now, which works out to 32 over an entire season. My biggest thing would be... 11-5 record: If he’s really “the one” and he stays healthy all year, they should be 11-5. 2 wins currently (both on the road). 3 games left against Miami and the Jets. games against Denver, Cincinnati, and Washington all at home. Pittsburgh/Cleveland look like a lot more winnable games now than they did to begin the season. AFC is going through a TON of change right now (Luck retiring, Roethlisberger hurt, Foles out & Jags tire fire). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nelius Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Generally speaking, beat the Pats week 4. He does that and the media immediately makes him a top AFC QB over night. They're itching to do so already. And honestly I'm pretty much right there too. If he beats the Pats, or hell even the Browns or Ravens, just some team that's not terrible, and I'll anoint him. I'm ready, I might even do it after this week. I've been consuming the koolaid for months, Allen is special. Oh you said all fanhood aside. Impossible. Edited September 19, 2019 by Nelius 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, rayray808 said: what is needed to anoint Josh Allen as "the one" Move like they do 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Don’t get hurt. Don’t suck. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DRA3196 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 He has too have a strong game against the Patriots. Would be great if his performance led to a win. He has to just continue to develop and show that he can make the right game time decisions. The kid is growing right before our eyes and is doing everything right. He just can't get complacent or relax in his preparation. Just stay grounded and hungry Josh. Keep focused and never be satisfied with your current success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peace Frog Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 He must defeat Vader. 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Win a playoff game, I suppose. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Protocal69 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Beat the Pats, eclipse 4K yards, win a playoff game. You do know that the PATS have a Madden Ultimate Team over there right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Personally I wasn't worried about Josh Allen immediately being "the one". I had the learn to crawl before you walk expectations. After watching so many excellent defensive efforts being squandered by a mostly putrid 3 and out offence that couldn't sustain drives, I was locked into anything is better than nothing mentality. If your defense is balling the team should win games. That is my expectation. Not letting penalties stall drives and come from behind victories also cement that status of being "the one" for me. Win when you should and overcome adversity winning when maybe you shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) Josh Allen already knows that beating the Patriots is his next obstacle to success. Once that is achieved, the confidence goes up, decision making improves, statistics improve, and the Bills will become a perennial play off threat. This stuff takes care of itself. Edited September 19, 2019 by Rocket94 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, rayray808 said: We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise" My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games My answer and it may not be popular: Josh needs to have a good year 3. A single year, and I hope he has it, is a great start, but we have to see him return next year in the correct workmen type frame of mind. Plus, teams will be taking away what they see from the tape they have, and he will have to show he can adjust. Anyways, until he has 2 reasonably good seasons, I wont be ready to anoint him. But he's playing well now, and I'm more than happy to enjoy the ride. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Nothing. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Billieve Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Nothing. Yeah, at this point he has to prove that he's not the one. I mean he's the presumptive one, and how dare any fan question that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Be the De facto team leader. make the playoffs 2 years in a row. Pretty much keep doing what he's been doing this year resulting in a double digits win total win a playoff game of two preferably at home. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoPar_v2 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2 hours ago, rayray808 said: We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise" My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games I don’t know, maybe do the bare minimum of what is considered success in the NFL and make the playoffs? Even ((gasp)) win a playoff game!? That’d deserve beautification around here at this point. I think he can do it btw, and possibly this season. Until then I’ll enjoy all the Allen slob threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Just continue on the uphill trajectory he is on and keep learning from his mistakes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 -Play well against good defenses especially on the road (NE, Browns, Titans, Cowboys). -Consistently show better touch on short to intermediate throws and take what the defense gives you. -Continue to improve on making pre snap adjustments, quickly progressing through reads, and throwing the ball away instead of playing hero ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven-N-Nine Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said: He already looks like he'll get there to me. I need to see more, much more. Consistently good at reading coverage and completing the ball. Actually beating good teams, not just the bad ones. Winning playoff games. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Beat the Pats by out playing Brady 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MJS said: Win a playoff game, I suppose. Two playoff wins is the threshold Edited September 19, 2019 by Dan Darragh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doubledd67 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Stay Healthy, Beat the Patriots, Win the AFC East, and make playoffs and host playoff games in Buffalo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, rayray808 said: We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise" My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games Boy, rayray, I love him and I have been supporting him from the get go. However, since you asked...if looking at it from a national perspective our guy needs to string together a couple of 300 yard games with 2-3 td passes per. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocalypse Nuts Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Koolaid drinking or sans Koolaid, IMO he's pretty much there already. But let's be real. That's more about how terrible all the QB's have been in the 3 DECADES since JK retired. Only one even close was Bledsoe but that was doomed with because Tom Donahoe (sp?) was completely inept at his job and wasted a few years on us building crappy teams. If he just cleans up his mistakes a little bit, I'll take what we have today in JA no problem. If he becomes this perfect passer like Brady, then great! If he's just a little more accurate than today and just keeps the turnovers to a minimum I'm ok with that too given everything else he brings to the table. His uncanny ability to throw so accurately on the run as just one example. After the last 20+ years of searching for the next franchise QB, we should be really happy we have Josh Allen right now. Remember, we're Bills fans so let's not get too picky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, rayray808 said: We all come with a bias on these message boards of being Bills fans... some loved him when drafted, some hated, and most had their doubts... but out of curiosity - what would need to happen for you to finally sit back and be like "alright, Josh Allen is the franchise" My answer: eliminate head scratching turn overs, and at a minimum split the season series with the Pats but be relevant in both games That's a great start but I would add getting consistently good performances through a couple of seasons, win in the playoffs, and be among the league leaders is several passing categories on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring it Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 He has already shown to me some things that a franchise Qb needs. Leadership- teammates gravitate to him, they believe in him Great abilities- obviously he’s gifted physically, but his play makes others better. IMO Foster and Zay Jones both played better than what they are last season. Even with the o-line we had last year!!! He’s not Brady or Rodgers but he shouldn’t be expected to be yet. Intangibles-Poise. Cool under pressure. For as young as he is he has produced late in games when we need it. He he needs more consistency in playing situational football. When to throw it away, when to take a shot, etc... Certainly limiting the dumb decisions but that will take time. Probably 2-3 more seasons to fully get rid of. As good as he is I’m willing to wait and enjoy watching.I guess to be honest I think he is our franchise Qb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESSEFEFFER Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 There is nothing bigger that Josh could do this season that would mark his ascension into the upper echelon of NFL QB hierarchy than leading the Bills to 2 wins over the Patriots. Anyone with even a casual interest in the NFL will notice. This may or may not include a victory in the playoffs over them. Mixing legendary metaphors, this is pulling the sword from the stone and slaying the Grendel with it. Lots of lesser achievements would do it too but not as many would recognize them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Step 1 > outscore the Patriots which leads to Win the Division which leads to ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 Beat a Brady-led Pat's*** twice a season (at least) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Nelius said: Generally speaking, beat the Pats week 4. He does that and the media immediately makes him a top AFC QB over night. They're itching to do so already. And honestly I'm pretty much right there too. If he beats the Pats, or hell even the Browns or Ravens, just some team that's not terrible, and I'll anoint him. I'm ready, I might even do it after this week. I've been consuming the koolaid for months, Allen is special. Oh you said all fanhood aside. Impossible. Let's beat the Bengals first. One game at a time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Virgil said: Beat the Pats, eclipse 4K yards, win a playoff game. Hmm. Sure. What Virgil said. 2015-2016 Ryan Tannehill Beat Pats- Check Eclipse 4k yrds- Check Win a playoff game- Hurt DNP https://gfycat.com/celebratedunsungladybug ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 minute ago, MrSarcasm said: Hmm. Sure. What Virgil said. 2015-2016 Ryan Tannehill Beat Pats- Check Eclipse 4k yrds- Check Win a playoff game- Hurt DNP https://gfycat.com/celebratedunsungladybug ? Can’t pick two out three. Parsley or bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 I was cursing at the TV when we took him. Now, I am officially on the "he's the one" train. I bought way too much into the, boom or bust, narrative that was out there when we drafted him. Looking back, I think his floor was much higher than advertised during the draft process. He has all the tools to be a great one and just enough of a chip on his shoulder to be perfect for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 6 hours ago, MJS said: Win a playoff game, I suppose. Like the Sanchize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSarcasm Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Virgil said: Can’t pick two out three. Parsley or bust You are absolutely right Virgil. I know if Allen threw for 4k yards and beat the Pat's, but got hurt at the start of the playoff game everyone on this board would still be reluctant to anoint him... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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