Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Why the Bengals do it: If the Bengals fall to 0-3 this Sunday things could spiral pretty quickly. If they have 1 or 2 wins approaching the trade deadline it would make sense for them to deal Green who is 31 and an impending free agent. The compensation would have to be right, probably at least a first which I would do. Why the Bills do it: You would have to see Allen establish himself even a more than he has so far. If we could get to 3-0 and he looks legit against the Pats, it wouldn't strengthen the reasons to get him. They Bills would immediately have one of the best receiving groups in the league. Green and Brown on the outside with Beasley working the middle. We would have a legit group to rival New England. You lock up Green for 3 more years and give him big money. That way his contract ends before we have to lock up some of these young guys. We would get Green the rest of this season and at 32, 33 and 34. Green is the type of talent that can still produce at that age. I realize this is risky but if Allen continues to progress it is something you have to think about. A.J. Green has been injured recently but he was still dominant before his injury that ended his season last year. Giving up a first would be a big price for a 31 year old but the time might be right for this team. Even if you do lose your first, you are set at WR for the next 3-4 years. You go into next off-season with a near complete team and still around $60 in cap space. Re-sign Lawson and you have $50-55 million in space and pretty much no holes and 9 picks. You would have the time to find Green's replacement in the draft without having to reach for a guy because it's a need. Moves are being made and I threw out Trent Williams the other day, Ramsey was thrown out tonight, but the guy who is most realistic and would help us the most is Green. The Bills already tried to make a move for a superstar receiver. Why not make another for one without all the baggage? The way Allen has looked so far, I think gives us that much more incentive to do so. If Allen looks good this Sunday, we go to 3-0 while sending the Bengals to 0-3, and Allen looks continues to look good, we definitely should go for it. This team at 3-0 would be looking pretty damn good for the playoffs. You add Green to the mix and it looks all that much better. Then you are working on a foundation that has made the playoffs 2 of the last 3 years and I think you enter next season a legit contenders. Edited September 17, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A bag of footballs. Excellent player, but he can't stay healthy. He's not worth giving up anything of serious value for that reason. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 6th. Conditional 5th based on availability. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I'd give up a 2nd rounder and extend him. I know the risks but he's still a top 5 WR when healthy. Get him off that awful turf in Cincinnati and I think he'll be fine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A lot of good young WR's in next years draft, he is incredibly talented but I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd or 4th for a 30 y/o WR with a long injury history. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A Raiders 3rd and 5th round pick. 4 11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Not much. He's aging, he's been hurt a lot lately, many of which have been lower body injuries (not good for a WR). His contract pays him $12.2M this year and is up after this year. So if you wanted to keep him beyond a 1 year rental, you'd have to pay him.....and he's a player I'd be really nervous about investing any type of big $ in. With all that said.....I'd probably be willing to give up a 4th rounder for him if it was assured he was healthy and ready to contribute. My thinking behind that is if he were to show he still has something left in the tank....he worst case gets you a 4th/5th round compensatory pick if he signs with another team after this season as long as he signs a contract for $8M+ a year. So you give up a 4th in '20 for a player that can help you in '19 and you can recoup a 4th or 4th in '21 if he signs with another team after the '19 season.......I could live with that 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A set of crutches and a bottle of Percocet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 He he could be had for less than a first, then I would not hesitate for a second. Green, Brown and Beasley styles would compliment each other perfectly. The dominant #1 with great size, great hands and good speed. The very good #2 who is a elite burner. The great route running #3 slot guy, who is constantly open. Imagine how much this would open up the field for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 You'd give a 1st for a 31 year old WR....? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 He was in a walk boot just last week and hasn't played a single snap in 2019. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Warcodered said: You'd give a 1st for a 31 year old WR....? How old are Antonio Brown and Julio Jones? When healthy, AJ Green is still on that level. Like I said I would like to trade much less. Edited September 17, 2019 by K-GunJimKelly12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 41 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said: A lot of good young WR's in next years draft, he is incredibly talented but I wouldn't give up more than a 3rd or 4th for a 30 y/o WR with a long injury history. I'm in this boat, 4th or a conditional 3rd which could become a 2nd if we reach the Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A 4th 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Easily without question would give up a 4th. I would be hesitant for a 3rd, but wouldn’t hate it either, and be reluctant if we they wanted a 2nd given next year should be a great WR draft. But AJ Green , Smoke, And Beasley would be one hell of a combo going into playoffs to have to defend. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I hate bring this up, but with this year’s second, and without trading up, they could have had their choice of A.J. Brown, Mecole Hardman, and DK Metcalf. And Parris Campbell. Edited September 17, 2019 by mannc 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket94 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: A 4th A 3rd would be good if Green could stay healthy. He is still relatively young, and it would give the Bills time to develop another WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Rocket94 said: A 3rd would be good if Green could stay healthy. He is still relatively young, and it would give the Bills time to develop another WR. Yeah, but id rather keep the third. With our multiple offense we dont need stars, just good solid players who can follow their assignments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 1 hour ago, mannc said: I hate bring this up, but with this year’s second, and without trading up, they could have had their choice of A.J. Brown, Mecole Hardman, and DK Metcalf. And Parris Campbell. Have a feeling Ford will end up being the right choice 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) I would do a 2nd or 3rd. IF we indeed win and are 3-0. we would be in plum shape for a playoff run. Especially with teams that we thought were favored suddenly without QBs (Pitt, Jax, Indy). Add in a favorable schedule with 2 games vs Fish and another against Jets. D looks like a playoff D. Maybe it is time to roll the dice and acquire a big time WR and make a run at this thing? The table is set to make a run. Edited September 17, 2019 by reddogblitz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) Give up a 1st round draft pick for a 31 year old injury riddled player? You are stuck in the mentality of past regimes. I don’t see Brandon Bean ever giving up a number 1 pick unless it was for incredible value. He knows 1 year rentals don’t build a team and doesn’t have stars in his eyes. Edited September 17, 2019 by jabu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I think it would be more important for us to shore up our O line depth, because it feels like we may be one injury (especially at C or T) away from not having a line that can give Allen the time needed to get the ball to our receivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny33 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 3 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: How old are Antonio Brown and Julio Jones? When healthy, AJ Green is still on that level. Like I said I would like to trade much less. Only Jones warrants, or would go for, a first. Green’s injury history means that he would cost a 3rd at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I'd give them Zay and mid-round draft pick. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 You only give up a 1st for an older player if you feel like that player puts you in Superbowl contention. With his talent and our situation I would give up 2nd rounder but because of injury history a 3rd at best or maybe a 4th and Zay Jones (who needs a change of scenery) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) At age 31? For $12 mill this year and a ton more next year unless he's only here this year? Expect them to build their core through the draft as they've said they would, and to continue their responsible handling of the cap. Edited September 17, 2019 by Thurman#1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Russell Bodine...oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2 hours ago, StHustle said: You only give up a 1st for an older player if you feel like that player puts you in Superbowl contention. With his talent and our situation I would give up 2nd rounder but because of injury history a 3rd at best or maybe a 4th and Zay Jones (who needs a change of scenery) Interesting thought process. I like it and agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 looks like he is done. great career. bad team. give him Eric Moulds' phone number. they can trade notes. move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmur66 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Ahhh. The weekly "what would you give for AJ Green" post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 5 hours ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said: How old are Antonio Brown and Julio Jones? When healthy, AJ Green is still on that level. Like I said I would like to trade much less. No he's not. He was for a couple of years, but hasn't been for a while. Hard pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 (edited) a third and Foster or Zay Jones Edited September 17, 2019 by Fixxxer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLTbills Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 I'd go as high as a 4th, probably. With the crop of talent coming up, I don't think he himself is a long-term need. Plenty of good, younger, cheaper options coming up in this year's draft. Now, if we beat NE week 4 and are 4-0, leading the division and conference, and the FO thinks that we are Super Bowl contenders THIS YEAR and he's the piece to get there, then I'm all for giving up more at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlgarsh Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 Give them a 3rd and Zay Jones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codyny13 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 4th rounder, if they gave up a 3rd I’d be fine with it but I’m happy to give up a 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 2020 crop of wide receivers is really good. I'd rather they package some picks to get the right complement for Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 probably a fourth maybe a third Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 A 4th - 5th and Zay Zay could play the "Robert Woods" role in Taylor's offense and he's still cheap, which the Bengals would like. Green would be a true #1 for us, make Brown a killer #2 and free up underneath for Beasley. BPA in the draft, which given this draft is hopefully a skill player. Green / Brown / Beasley / 1st round WR and we are really giving Josh something to work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Estro said: Not much. He's aging, he's been hurt a lot lately, many of which have been lower body injuries (not good for a WR). His contract pays him $12.2M this year and is up after this year. So if you wanted to keep him beyond a 1 year rental, you'd have to pay him.....and he's a player I'd be really nervous about investing any type of big $ in. With all that said.....I'd probably be willing to give up a 4th rounder for him if it was assured he was healthy and ready to contribute. My thinking behind that is if he were to show he still has something left in the tank....he worst case gets you a 4th/5th round compensatory pick if he signs with another team after this season as long as he signs a contract for $8M+ a year. So you give up a 4th in '20 for a player that can help you in '19 and you can recoup a 4th or 4th in '21 if he signs with another team after the '19 season.......I could live with that Exactly what he said. AJ Green has missed 15 games (so far) since 2016 with foot, ankle and toe injuries. Sure, WRs can sometimes play into their early 30's and still be effective. But when you combine his age with the injury problems, it becomes a major risk that he will never be the same. Consider that Torrey Smith just announced his retirement this week (he is 30). Dez Bryant has been done for two years (he is also 30). Demaryius Thomas started declining two years ago (he is 32). There are some non-QBs around the league that I would be willing to part with a 1st Round Pick for. But AJ Green is no longer one of those guys. If the Bills want long-term success, it will require consistent high-level drafting every single year. In my opinion, it's not wise to throw away a premium pick for an aging vet who may never be effective again. I would consider a 3rd Rounder, on the condition of a contract extension. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv001 Posted September 17, 2019 Share Posted September 17, 2019 If Cinci goes 0-3, I believe they will put Green on the trade block. The question then becomes, what playoff contender pays the highest for him. Personally, I think he gets traded for a 4th round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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